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59. Mr. Franken's support for the Iraq war illustrated his judgment in such matters for me.

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:45 PM

Jun 2013

And yes, I know he wasn't in the Senate at the time, but I have read his books.

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Senator Al Franken on NSA surveillance [View all] sheshe2 Jun 2013 OP

"There's certain things that its appropriate for me to know that its not appropriate for the elleng Jun 2013 #1

Excellent quote, is it not, elleng! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #8

The thing is, the Program has never stopped a single serious act of terrorism inside the U.S. The leveymg Jun 2013 #27

I heard otherwise, from ?Rogers? of House ? Committee; elleng Jun 2013 #28

Sen DiFi claimed that the 2009 subway bomb plot was thwarted by PRISM. That mischaracterizes leveymg Jun 2013 #36

You don't know that. randome Jun 2013 #35

NSA's defenders can't cite a single solid case that's been thwarted by this thing. Burden is on them leveymg Jun 2013 #39

Burden is on them, yes, to inform the Senate judiciary committee of successes, not the public stevenleser Jun 2013 #85

+1 sheshe2 Jun 2013 #86

Not a big believer in an informed public are you? DiFi couldn't cite a single valid example leveymg Jun 2013 #105

Not a big believer in protecting our citizens are you!? You lose leveymg! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #111

With bated breath sheshe2 Jun 2013 #113

There are plenty of examples. All you have to do is google. Virtually every prevented terror attack stevenleser Jun 2013 #122

Steve sheshe2 Jun 2013 #114

actually, this is silly and not logical at all. Nothing happening means events thwarted.It works. graham4anything Jun 2013 #119

Right, and they have problems stating exactly what good they've done, elleng Jun 2013 #41

Interesting n/t tammywammy Jun 2013 #2

Thank you, Sheshe! LeftInTX Jun 2013 #3

Well, Franken is just another cryptofascist acolyte of the extremist RW corporatists. baldguy Jun 2013 #4

I respect Senator Franken enough to k&r this. Laelth Jun 2013 #5

I can agree with that. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #17

Thank you Laelth, and I mean that. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #29

A strong nation doesn't spy on its citizens without just cause marions ghost Jun 2013 #73

"abuse of this type of data collection" jberryhill Jun 2013 #83

Didn't mean it to be ambiguous marions ghost Jun 2013 #87

With just cause and legal warrants they can. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #88

Legal warrants from secret courts? marions ghost Jun 2013 #92

You are correct, Bushco did abuse those powers. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #94

And that abuse is ongoing marions ghost Jun 2013 #96

the truth is that we can't be safe all the time grasswire Jun 2013 #107

Forgive the delay. Laelth Jun 2013 #118

Maybe we can make ourselves safer druidity33 Jun 2013 #128

Here's the right link for the Al Franken video Tx4obama Jun 2013 #6

Oh Jeez..... sheshe2 Jun 2013 #10

I like Franken. Like the EFF too. And they've DirkGently Jun 2013 #7

Franken is the first person I vaguely trust to come out and support this. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #9

Four days ago this was being presented like a new and unknown program Recursion Jun 2013 #11

I would think he would recognize it immediately. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #12

At least two, apparently... (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #14

Less than a year ago there was a big New York Times article on the same thing. They called the okaawhatever Jun 2013 #13

IMHO sheshe2 Jun 2013 #18

He may be intelligent and well-intentioned... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #20

Being made public, sheshe2 Jun 2013 #23

Thank you, sheshe, for this link and your post. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #47

He is mountain grammy! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #48

K & R freshwest Jun 2013 #51

It was a great post by steveleser! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #54

Can you TIVO it or whatever is done now? I used to set the VCR... freshwest Jun 2013 #64

Steve posted the transcript here! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #66

Ah, no. I got the podcast and transcript. Was asking about the debate. freshwest Jun 2013 #76

Ah, I will check about the first one. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #84

Ugh, that was unpleasant! But Markey isn't going to let anything sneak by, either. freshwest Jun 2013 #90

Markey really took him to school sheshe2 Jun 2013 #91

Indeed they do, the man's a gem. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #62

Have those other intelligent and well-informed people received the same briefings on MADem Jun 2013 #112

He's the voice of common sense. Thank you for the post. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #15

We can take great comfort in the fact that no future president will ever use the vast indepat Jun 2013 #16

I have the greatest respect for the senator usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #19

Well I guess Al is under the bus with the rest of us who think the outrage is nonsense. DCBob Jun 2013 #21

We're talking pedabytes worth of data joc46224 Jun 2013 #22

What about a flashdrive? Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #24

Good post. I agree totally. Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #38

I wish you'd post this as an OP. Really. If you have time. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #89

5 zettabytes of space MsPithy Jun 2013 #109

This is what I think is happening.. DCBob Jun 2013 #124

I don't think they're quite there, but I believe they have a project plan DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #130

dogs trust Al Botany Jun 2013 #25

No nineteen50 Jun 2013 #26

Link? sheshe2 Jun 2013 #55

My observation nineteen50 Jun 2013 #79

i guess Al Franken is no Ron Paul JI7 Jun 2013 #30

most xlnt kpete Jun 2013 #31

~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #34

I'm glad Senator Franken is calmly talking common sense on this topic. Kath1 Jun 2013 #32

Thank you Senator Franken, I now feel ok with the work of the NSA. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #33

Franken is horribly wrong on this. woo me with science Jun 2013 #37

Thank you senator Al Franken. Who gave up his LUCRATIVE entertainment career & has worked hard graham4anything Jun 2013 #40

Excellent reminder to one and all, Graham! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #44

+1,000! freshwest Jun 2013 #69

this Al Franken? stupidicus Jun 2013 #42

so basically he is saying that snowdon is telling the truth, wrapped up in pretty words. Monkie Jun 2013 #43

Links please. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #46

Well said. woo me with science Jun 2013 #75

Do you know what Al Franken knows about NSA surveillance? winter is coming Jun 2013 #45

True! And he, JUST LIKE ME upi402 Jun 2013 #52

Thats all most of us know quakerboy Jun 2013 #63

No. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #65

No, you're the one who labeled Franken a robot. winter is coming Jun 2013 #71

Oh my ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #49

If Sen Franken is endorsing the surveillance program, as represented by the blogger, why can't AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #50

Here comes the cold water. MsPithy Jun 2013 #53

Where does it say that they are collecting every bit of data on everyone! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #60

I am sorry to have to break this to you, MsPithy Jun 2013 #97

+1 burnodo Jun 2013 #101

Yooo Hooo! MsPithy Jun 2013 #129

This shocked me Timbuk3 Jun 2013 #56

Thank you, Senator Franken! nt jazzimov Jun 2013 #57

Say... did you contact him to explain... ReRe Jun 2013 #58

Mr. Franken's support for the Iraq war illustrated his judgment in such matters for me. bbgrunt Jun 2013 #59

Thank you. I can tell you what I've figured out today. It has to do with private DevonRex Jun 2013 #61

Bless you Devon. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #98

Thank you. DevonRex Jun 2013 #99

You forgot to add ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #126

I'm too cautious DevonRex Jun 2013 #127

If only every rep were like Al Franken felix_numinous Jun 2013 #67

I like Al Franken, but I vehemently disagree with him here, even knowing he's privy to more DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #68

Frankly Franken polynomial Jun 2013 #70

Hmmm. I DO respect his opinion, so this is something to think about. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #72

Again, the Government is saying Trust Us. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #74

+1 forestpath Jun 2013 #77

Thank you Senator Franken dennis4868 Jun 2013 #78

Franken is no dummy BootinUp Jun 2013 #80

XP hi from europe, i "love" watching "democrats" apologise for fascism! kickysnana Jun 2013 #81

Your link is for Jelly Shoes. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #93

Real Linkie kickysnana Jun 2013 #117

Too bad you don't get to see it, then. Cha Jun 2013 #103

Snort! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #106

He might have a little more credibility if he hadn't just voted to take the food out of poor Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #82

He also voted for SOPA and PIPA. woo me with science Jun 2013 #115

Well I'll give him this, he is a much better actor than I gave him credit for. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #123

Well then let me just stop thinking for myself and agree with him on this issue just because liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #95

No, just keeping buying that shit that Glenn Greenwald Cha Jun 2013 #102

+a millon. nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #120

Finally, she! We're hearing from someone Cha Jun 2013 #100

"Careful, he's Watching You"! Cha Jun 2013 #104

I have tears running down my cheeks sheshe2 Jun 2013 #108

I know.. it's just too FUNNY! Cha Jun 2013 #110

The Barack Man is just going old school there Botany Jun 2013 #121

K&R :) n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #116

There Are Things To Like About Al But A Lot Also To Seriously Question colsohlibgal Jun 2013 #125