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In reply to the discussion: This is why ALL liberals *should* oppose dragnet surveillance [View all]nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)125. i don't think you understand what this surveillance is about, or what acceptable limits are
NSA is one of many agencies contracting with numerous private companies to vacuum up as much data as possible. They collect more data from the US than from Russia -- so, citizens are being sucked up in this.
also, it doesn't deter terror, as we've seen in the Boston bombing. and, it costs trillions of dollars at a time when our country is crumbling.
no one is saying the government can't have intelligence. what they're doing isn't intelligence. it's a vast dragnet that they have no idea what to do with.
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nashville_brook
Jun 2013
OP
Obama adopts Bush's doctrine...and it's all *yawn*...yargle bargle...poutrage...firebagger
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#5
Did you intend to us a small "d" in your title? The terms are not synonymous. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#58
Exactly. The degree/depth of rolling over and apologetics, on this "Underground" site is astonishing
villager
Jun 2013
#51
This helps explain Clapper's distinction in backtracking an earlier statement
suffragette
Jun 2013
#80
daaaang. i bet there's going to be a lot of this kind of "oopsie" as commentary is sought
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#93
with names like that on the org-chart, you have to wonder how much they're bilking us for
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#148
Just like when Hoover sent LBJ classified records for his own titillation
Generic Other
Jun 2013
#104
I hear you! The association is crystal clear....and don't the idiot children
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#162
he sure sold himself as "determined" to "CHANGE" trading privacy for security
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#11
said Obama: don't accept "false choice, between liberties we cherish and security we provide.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#24
Do you know which Senator proposed FISA and which President signed its creation into law?
JoePhilly
Jun 2013
#53
really? ad hominem? if you support surveillance, how is that ad hominem.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#99
I sure do, I support Obama survelliance on large crowds hes in and terrorist organizations
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#119
how about in your living room? in your children's bedroom? your phone?
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#121
the surveillance is secret. the court proceeding of the secrets are secret. the legislative
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#76
nosiree. stopping the dragnet surveillance is the only solution if we want a democracy.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#91
Obama has shown he's more concerned about whistleblowers than intel accuracy
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#18
i don't think you understand what this surveillance is about, or what acceptable limits are
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#125
Well, we are Verizon customers who, as far as I know, are not under suspicion for any crime, let
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#55
apparently there's plenty of DU-folk who agree that "lawful" means anything POTUS
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#108
what this means is that power will be defined by how much access is granted to OUR info
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#16
hardly anyone posts anything personal info here...few use their real names
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#27
The rich are conserned about anything that could be used to undo them. The NSA will help out.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#21
hell, with privatization, the "rich" likely own these networks in the first place.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#29
imagine all the "foreign" companies that are likely contracting services.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#45
And remember, our database has a lot of information about citizens of other countries
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#56
I am not surprised. This has not been the "land of the free" for a long time
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#71
and, woe be to us if the Tea Party actually opposes the data suck too...
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#73
back in the 80s, one of the biggest reasons people wouldn't sign petitions,
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#37
FL school uses retina scan for students riding bus -- without parents consent
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#40
f'n good points on warrants and toll roads...also, the info is a marketable product
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#64
I think 99% of the people oppose a security state but what are you going to do about it?
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#41
for those who are already "on the grid" -- let's USE the GRID to fight this.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#44
The Money Statement - Surveillance Leads To Fear Which Leads To Apathy Which Leads To Control
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#52
Thank you for posting this. Last night when I dropped into DU and read all
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#69
I *KNOW* it's being done to keep us safe!!! But I want to know how many pot smoking grannies it has
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2013
#106
Maybe all liberals do. Doubt it? Point to a single liberal who does not.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#110
this is a finer detail...we have no idea how our data is being used, b/c
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#120
not just "getting paid" - ripping us off e.g. Trailblazer vs Thin Thread
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#136