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heaven05

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94. you

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:08 PM

Jun 2013

have no idea how long I've been reading this site. No party loyalty as a point here. Just an observation. Tell that unchanging bullshit to the rethugs and monied elite. I'll have none of it. I stand by hypocrites, clowns and fools as a statement of what the politics of this country has made of members of both the Democrat Party and rethuglican party. If those unchanging values and principles had been applied for all people of this country from the very beginning, then maybe just maybe we wouldn't have the economic disparity so very prevalent in our so called democracy among it's classes of citizens along with the racial animosity created by the 2/3 human rule that will get an airing out in Florida, starting tomorrow. Here from the very beginning, well whoopeeeee for you.

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NSA Bombshell Story Falling Apart Under Scrutiny; Key Facts Turning Out to Be Inaccurate [View all] babylonsister Jun 2013 OP

Just like the other three malaise Jun 2013 #1

Just another hit piece against Greenwald, and total BS. leveymg Jun 2013 #74

Agreed n/t malaise Jun 2013 #80

Greenwald never asserted that the NSA had direct access. He reported Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #2

There are other laughable speculations from the Internet Blog called The Daily Banter.. bvar22 Jun 2013 #85

OP's don't READ...and Readers aren't "OP's" But Good POST...K&R! KoKo Jun 2013 #97

another smear quickly debunked. Another boy who cried wolf story. graham4anything Jun 2013 #3

You are wrong. Greenwald reported directly from the NSA documents Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #9

Well then... busterbrown Jun 2013 #19

bahaha giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #106

NO ONE has accused the Obama Admin of being "worse than Bush" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #4

+1 villager Jun 2013 #27

+1 Me too SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #30

Actually that is exactly the talking point going around in r/w circles still_one Jun 2013 #47

. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #51

"no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" BlueStreak Jun 2013 #73

people in right wing circles are criticizing Bush? burnodo Jun 2013 #122

What they are saying is "bush was good compared to the president" still_one Jun 2013 #132

Who said Obama is worse than Bush? East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #155

Let's start with Jeremy Scahill: ucrdem Jun 2013 #158

Had to look him up. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #161

Me three. zeemike Jun 2013 #53

as bad as Bush, not worse. RILib Jun 2013 #67

I will go with Worse than Bush... bvar22 Jun 2013 #87

Boy, almost everyone here is lucky the alien and sedition act is not still in the Constitution! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #128

Adopting the hated Alien and Sedition Acts was, of course, a reason why Jefferson replaced Adams. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #152

+1 LWolf Jun 2013 #59

+1 golddigger Jun 2013 #124

Except Scahill, Greenwald, Chomsky, Hedges and the rest of the ratpack, repeatedly. ucrdem Jun 2013 #153

I searched the entire Democracy Now article for the word "worse" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #154

"Obama pushed the Cheney agenda far beyond what a President McCain or a President Romney would have ucrdem Jun 2013 #157

Scahill never used the word "worse" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #162

Hoo boy. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #163

Basically, what else CAN you say at this point? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #164

I Think We RobinA Jun 2013 #5

+1000 blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #65

Haha. No kidding. tblue Jun 2013 #68

Nailed It. bvar22 Jun 2013 #89

Well the President says it was a 'leak' that shouldn't have happened. So is he unaware that sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #6

The President also says that Amercans are not targeted. randome Jun 2013 #11

"Better get their stories straight..." Generic Other Jun 2013 #14

The new meme is the 4th doesn't apply to electronic records of our phones and emails Dragonfli Jun 2013 #17

LOL! nt OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #21

The "meme" as you call it, came directly from the ACLU website cheapdate Jun 2013 #75

The applicability of the fourth amendment to the online space is complicated. Here's a good article cascadiance Jun 2013 #101

Just like the IRA story treestar Jun 2013 #7

I think the Irish Rebublican Army is real. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #32

My IRA PDittie Jun 2013 #58

The source is a "disgruntled intelligence officer" deminks Jun 2013 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author meow2u3 Jun 2013 #18

Have you watched the interview with the leaker? Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #83

My error meow2u3 Jun 2013 #84

Greenwald's subsequent Tweets and announcements show a great deal of anger. randome Jun 2013 #10

Maybe his anger is because of the shennagins of our govt., premium Jun 2013 #16

You mean like collecting the phone metadata of non-Americans? randome Jun 2013 #24

No, I mean like collecting the phone metadata of Americans. premium Jun 2013 #26

Well, supposedly only the data of non-Americans is being collected. randome Jun 2013 #34

Oh, I believe the President thinks that, premium Jun 2013 #36

Actually, he claims no hero status for himself but reserves that for the whistle-blower. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #22

Perhaps the simple-minded Manicheans are getting to him. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #40

That don't seem any more angry than any other of his Tweets since he started Tweeting. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #119

Don't be calling greenwald on his lies and expect him to not be pissed. Cha Jun 2013 #121

Baghdad Bob says... warrprayer Jun 2013 #12

They distort, some overreact. Lather, rinse, repeat. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #13

"NSA attaining data about Americans as a means of fighting evildoers" Dragonfli Jun 2013 #15

fighting evildoers AlbertCat Jun 2013 #55

You didn't complain about the NSA reporting on Jan 22, 2009. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #20

Reasonable question.... /nt think Jun 2013 #33

Good question... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #35

That was the last day we thought anyone was actually going to do something about it. Octafish Jun 2013 #37

OP got rinsed LittleBlue Jun 2013 #57

I'm so impressed you went to so much effort! babylonsister Jun 2013 #60

No effort involved. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #72

Why is it that some people assume.... ReRe Jun 2013 #81

nice evasion burnodo Jun 2013 #123

That will leave a mark. bvar22 Jun 2013 #90

There's a question. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #95

+100000 Hypocrisy reeks. woo me with science Jun 2013 #98

Busted laborinvain Jun 2013 #115

It's not just the OP but many other posters here as well. Apophis Jun 2013 #151

NOW: not a big deal... BEFORE: they don't have the capability, old news, Obama haters usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #23

They will go straight to vilification of course, it's in the handbook Dragonfli Jun 2013 #29

We are already hearing about a "disgruntled" intelligence officer. deurbano Jun 2013 #61

you forgot questions about their sexuality Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #149

You nailed that one! Dragonfli Jun 2013 #150

quislings don't need rebuttals when prejudices will do Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #156

Yeah, unfortunately no one hears this part. AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #25

Sloppy journalism? Laelth Jun 2013 #28

It's sloppy. Once you research the history of this issue, you get a different picture. stevenleser Jun 2013 #129

Didn't get to listen to your show. Laelth Jun 2013 #130

He was sloppy to the point of altering the meaning of these issues completely stevenleser Jun 2013 #131

Every thing you say is true, afaik. It's legal. It's old. There's nominal oversight. Laelth Jun 2013 #133

If you repeal FISA, warrantless wiretapping becomes legal. We can fix or replace it with something stevenleser Jun 2013 #134

K&R Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #31

The OP is a very optimistic look at humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #38

But, the fact that a court order requires Verizon to maintain JDPriestly Jun 2013 #39

Great reply jdpriestly! n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2013 #54

JDP...please do this as an OP at some point.. KoKo Jun 2013 #79

K&R ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ReRe Jun 2013 #88

great post! reusrename Jun 2013 #127

One of THE most logical posts SoapBox Jun 2013 #135

The WaPo scrubbed the story in its updates. Octafish Jun 2013 #41

"NSA Bombshell Story Falling Apart Under Scrutiny". Don't they all eventually? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #42

Question for those so enthusiastically spewing this drivel... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #43

well well well. Whisp Jun 2013 #44

" . . . the collapse of journalism" No shit. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #45

I am shocked!!!! timdog44 Jun 2013 #46

A shocking example of flamingdem Jun 2013 #49

Two 'n's for nut case. Like Beck! And here's a formatting tip. freshwest Jun 2013 #71

Apples to oranges, mincemeat to cheese Taverner Jun 2013 #48

And bullshit timdog44 Jun 2013 #50

All an attempt to supress Dem voters maxrandb Jun 2013 #52

+1,000 freshwest Jun 2013 #64

Thanks for posting emulatorloo Jun 2013 #56

well heaven05 Jun 2013 #62

According to your profile, you didn't join DU until 2012. bvar22 Jun 2013 #91

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #94

If you are going to insist that no one was protesting the Patriot Act... bvar22 Jun 2013 #107

I heaven05 Jun 2013 #112

Your EXACT words from Post 62, heaven05 who joined in 2012. bvar22 Jun 2013 #136

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #137

Bluster and Name Calling doesn't change anything. bvar22 Jun 2013 #138

easy shoot down? heaven05 Jun 2013 #139

Thanks for the Concession. bvar22 Jun 2013 #142

whatever heaven05 Jun 2013 #147

Appears to be a blog post spinning damage control for Obama n/t brentspeak Jun 2013 #63

Too bad it is factually based n/t emulatorloo Jun 2013 #77

Do tell. Has the spying stopped? Has it? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #99

What facts are those, emulatorloo? bvar22 Jun 2013 #105

"became entwined in the American worldview" Roland99 Jun 2013 #66

"the unforgivable exploitation of fear in the days after 9/11" and "unnecessary searches and indepat Jun 2013 #69

How many times does Greenwald have to shit the bed before his fans notice? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #70

Really...that's kind of disgusting. What's with this kind of reply? KoKo Jun 2013 #82

Their transparency page speaks volumes, as well Electric Monk Jun 2013 #92

Gets Even More Disgusting ...Looking at those Links........EOM KoKo Jun 2013 #96

Thanks. bvar22 Jun 2013 #102

The screen name, the attitude, and the conservative views bring to mind Tom "the Hammer" Delay Dragonfli Jun 2013 #125

Conservatives hate Obama. Just like you guys. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #140

Plenty of Conservatives love him! Dragonfli Jun 2013 #143

sorry, you can have that place and the Old Elm Tree. Ill stick to DEMOCRATIC Underground. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #144

You have supported every third way conservative feeler Your idol has put out! Dragonfli Jun 2013 #146

You've been wrong every time so far. Why will you be right this time? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #148

Just because journalism is dead doesnt mean our govment isnt spying on us. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #76

I want the full facts on this emulatorloo Jun 2013 #78

Transcripts and Links are Out There on DU..Front Page to give you info..or KoKo Jun 2013 #100

New stuff is coming out fast and furious. You need not be obnoxious emulatorloo Jun 2013 #111

So if NSA isn't collecting info.... ReRe Jun 2013 #86

Good Questions There...there are never much answers but I'm EVER Hopeful... KoKo Jun 2013 #103

What typos? ;-) ReRe Jun 2013 #114

Well Sister, We Will Have To Agree To Disagree - Many Of Us No Longer Trust Obama Or This Government cantbeserious Jun 2013 #93

Story reeks of major RepubliStank (R) Berlum Jun 2013 #104

K&R This place has been a mess this week. Number23 Jun 2013 #108

like all the other faux "scandals" sad-cafe Jun 2013 #109

Either AQ is "on its heels" and "only a shell of its former self", as we've been told by Obama... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #110

Yeah. That dichotomy is an oldie but goodie. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #116

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #113

This is just another hit piece to make people think it is totally acceptable for the government GoneFishin Jun 2013 #117

Shoot the messengers! GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #118

Prism : How the NSA wiretapped the internet TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #120

And besides, have you seen that man in a bathing suit. Jakes Progress Jun 2013 #126

I can't get over how much you've changed since Obama was elected cali Jun 2013 #141

tssk.. ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #145

Fighting evildoers? AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #159

Wow! If only most of the population zeeland Jun 2013 #160