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In reply to the discussion: This is why ALL liberals *should* oppose dragnet surveillance [View all]nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)105. :) thought so -- precisely why it's not ad hominem.
or, if s/he thinks it's ad hominem, maybe they should review their values.
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This is why ALL liberals *should* oppose dragnet surveillance [View all]
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
OP
Obama adopts Bush's doctrine...and it's all *yawn*...yargle bargle...poutrage...firebagger
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#5
Did you intend to us a small "d" in your title? The terms are not synonymous. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#58
Exactly. The degree/depth of rolling over and apologetics, on this "Underground" site is astonishing
villager
Jun 2013
#51
This helps explain Clapper's distinction in backtracking an earlier statement
suffragette
Jun 2013
#80
daaaang. i bet there's going to be a lot of this kind of "oopsie" as commentary is sought
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#93
with names like that on the org-chart, you have to wonder how much they're bilking us for
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#148
Just like when Hoover sent LBJ classified records for his own titillation
Generic Other
Jun 2013
#104
I hear you! The association is crystal clear....and don't the idiot children
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#162
he sure sold himself as "determined" to "CHANGE" trading privacy for security
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#11
said Obama: don't accept "false choice, between liberties we cherish and security we provide.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#24
Do you know which Senator proposed FISA and which President signed its creation into law?
JoePhilly
Jun 2013
#53
really? ad hominem? if you support surveillance, how is that ad hominem.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#99
I sure do, I support Obama survelliance on large crowds hes in and terrorist organizations
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#119
how about in your living room? in your children's bedroom? your phone?
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#121
the surveillance is secret. the court proceeding of the secrets are secret. the legislative
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#76
nosiree. stopping the dragnet surveillance is the only solution if we want a democracy.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#91
Obama has shown he's more concerned about whistleblowers than intel accuracy
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#18
i don't think you understand what this surveillance is about, or what acceptable limits are
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#125
Well, we are Verizon customers who, as far as I know, are not under suspicion for any crime, let
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#55
apparently there's plenty of DU-folk who agree that "lawful" means anything POTUS
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#108
what this means is that power will be defined by how much access is granted to OUR info
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#16
hardly anyone posts anything personal info here...few use their real names
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#27
The rich are conserned about anything that could be used to undo them. The NSA will help out.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#21
hell, with privatization, the "rich" likely own these networks in the first place.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#29
imagine all the "foreign" companies that are likely contracting services.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#45
And remember, our database has a lot of information about citizens of other countries
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#56
I am not surprised. This has not been the "land of the free" for a long time
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#71
and, woe be to us if the Tea Party actually opposes the data suck too...
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#73
back in the 80s, one of the biggest reasons people wouldn't sign petitions,
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#37
FL school uses retina scan for students riding bus -- without parents consent
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#40
f'n good points on warrants and toll roads...also, the info is a marketable product
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#64
I think 99% of the people oppose a security state but what are you going to do about it?
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#41
for those who are already "on the grid" -- let's USE the GRID to fight this.
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#44
The Money Statement - Surveillance Leads To Fear Which Leads To Apathy Which Leads To Control
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#52
Thank you for posting this. Last night when I dropped into DU and read all
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#69
I *KNOW* it's being done to keep us safe!!! But I want to know how many pot smoking grannies it has
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2013
#106
Maybe all liberals do. Doubt it? Point to a single liberal who does not.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#110
this is a finer detail...we have no idea how our data is being used, b/c
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#120
not just "getting paid" - ripping us off e.g. Trailblazer vs Thin Thread
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#136