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Response to marlakay (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:48 PM

49. Red county in suburban Central Florida.

They were experimenting with the concept of sovereign rule, though I don't know if that was just an excuse to make their ineptitude sound like it had purpose.

Historically, during the eighties there was a huge property rights group that organized with the intention of influencing politicians. They succeeded. They were also able to influence the city process. One of the things the city did not do well was follow State law especially when it came to land development. For example, they never filed a Comprehensive Plan when they were supposed to. That's a blue print for the city. Without a blueprint the city just kept winging it. Most development projects were resolved by agreements between the developer and the city, with very little public input.

The new residents moving in found a way to work around this closed process. They discovered they could influence the process by forming mass public protests. The problem was, that what works once, will not always work all the time.

By the late nineties, leaders from a large residential community would infiltrate the city through public election, and only make the situation worse. They combined organized protests from their master Homeowners Organization; which now had their unscrupulous elected officials in power. A shadow government would begin to form during this time, and it would eventually take the entire city into court when they used this power to stop a developer from developing property around their precious Country Club and golf course.

What they could not comprehend was that the settlement agreements that the city had entered into with the developer were, essentially, contracts. When the community leaders and elected officials began to organize resistance against these developments, the developer would take them to Federal court in Tampa. It was the only time that this city became aware that the American Constitution applied to them.

It was bound to happen. It was just one bad group of land owners & developers, followed by another bad group of residential leaders. This place had a history of allowing anti-government types to reach leadership roles in high places. At least one of them was a city attorney, who turned into a judge. When the issue with the developer erupted in the nineties, his response was to ditch the P.U.D. "Abandon the P.U.D." as if that was something they could do easily. Isn't that what they want to do with our Constitution on the national level? "Abandon the Fourteenth Amendment!" That's the Constitutional Amendment that requires government to follow the course of law, perform due diligence and insure that they don't create groups where people are treated differently. (Equal protection.)

This city was in such a state of chaos in the nineties because they were now facing Federal examination. It wasn't looking good for the city attorney who was here since 1982. He was a Chamber of Commerce style attorney who once represented his private client in a County subcommittee, while one of the City Commissioners was chair of the committee. Yes, it was that crazy.

Unfortunately, he had strong ties to the Republican party. If the people could have just controlled themselves and hired an outside lawyer, they would have had a great opportunity to clean up Central Florida from corrupt and/or inept public attorneys. What a wasted opportunity.

But, no. Instead they vilified the developer and went after him as if attacking him and interfering with his developments would put an end to the developments around their precious Country Club. It was insanity. They followed an idiot Mayor who convinced them that getting rid of the developer, would put an end to the golf course developments. It did not.

The developer would win a settlement for two million dollars and walk away, while the people who were misled into thinking that would be the end of the property conflict, learned a lesson about the law. Those settlement agreements he had entered into with the city, were a living contract. The mortgagor just found another investment group to take over the developments. At one point there was talk that the Mayor was actually behind an effort to take it over, using a close buddy of his to give a presentation to buy the golf course. This occurred WHILE they were still trying to delay the developer's projects, hoping he would walk away with a bankruptcy.

In the end, there was a terrible need to keep this all hushed up; because, their actions didn't just impact the developer. They also defrauded residents of their own community. That was the secret they needed to keep from their victims--their neighbors. It was the only way to protect the political lives of all concerned.

This is why this city's power structure resembles a goon town, today. They have trusted henchmen taking over our Associations and they can always be counted on to spread misinformation in the community

Now we have a lopsided form of governance here because, people don't stay bribed. I see how they win loyalties by bestowing inducements to people who can cause them trouble. A person who was behind the fraud was allowed to hold a positions on the ARB for years, where he was able to sign off on homeoowner plans that breached the Association's restrictions. This is how they buy loyalty. How they win people over. And how people haughtily get the impression that if they need or want something, they know who in the community can get it for them.

This community is characterized by inequality and lack of due diligence. It doesn't get more unAmerican than that.

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