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k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #1
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #2
K&R LWolf Jun 2013 #3
Democracy & government in secret are opposites. DirkGently Jun 2013 #4
Obama adopts Bush's doctrine...and it's all *yawn*...yargle bargle...poutrage...firebagger nashville_brook Jun 2013 #5
If this issue goes unchecked, there is nothing left. DirkGently Jun 2013 #8
Thank you. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #10
2008 -- NSA listened in on soldiers' phone sex with their wives nashville_brook Jun 2013 #22
The Constitution recognizes that. DirkGently Jun 2013 #28
PROOF: we THOUGHT that a democratic executive branch would fix this nashville_brook Jun 2013 #42
Did you intend to us a small "d" in your title? The terms are not synonymous. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #58
touche. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #62
Hey, using French is uncalled for. I think. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #63
le ha ha! nashville_brook Jun 2013 #65
Put it this way ... DirkGently Jun 2013 #81
"President Rubio" having these powers is almost as nashville_brook Jun 2013 #84
Exactly. The degree/depth of rolling over and apologetics, on this "Underground" site is astonishing villager Jun 2013 #51
This helps explain Clapper's distinction in backtracking an earlier statement suffragette Jun 2013 #80
marcy wheeler has been WAY on top of this story. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #87
Yes, this does go to the heart of the problem suffragette Jun 2013 #92
daaaang. i bet there's going to be a lot of this kind of "oopsie" as commentary is sought nashville_brook Jun 2013 #93
Yep, lots of clap on, clap off by the Clapper suffragette Jun 2013 #95
here's a video of what it likely Clapper lying to Congress --> nashville_brook Jun 2013 #127
I think that's the same one at Wheeler's site suffragette Jun 2013 #141
yup. will be interesting to see how the Clapper arc proceeds! nashville_brook Jun 2013 #144
More developments here suffragette Jun 2013 #146
with names like that on the org-chart, you have to wonder how much they're bilking us for nashville_brook Jun 2013 #148
Booz, Allen, Hamilton JDPriestly Jun 2013 #150
Just like when Hoover sent LBJ classified records for his own titillation Generic Other Jun 2013 #104
Stasi-riffic. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #107
I hear you! The association is crystal clear....and don't the idiot children snappyturtle Jun 2013 #162
We need to call it what it is. RC Jun 2013 #137
Bingo. No one gets to police their own wrongdoing. DirkGently Jun 2013 #138
k/r marmar Jun 2013 #6
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #7
So repeal FISA Recursion Jun 2013 #9
he sure sold himself as "determined" to "CHANGE" trading privacy for security nashville_brook Jun 2013 #11
said Obama: don't accept "false choice, between liberties we cherish and security we provide. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #24
Do you know which Senator proposed FISA and which President signed its creation into law? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #53
i betting you cheer Obama's use of surveillance. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #61
More ad hominem, fudrs are having a hard time with the facts uponit7771 Jun 2013 #97
really? ad hominem? if you support surveillance, how is that ad hominem. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #99
He supports surveillance. He said so very distinctly. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #101
:) thought so -- precisely why it's not ad hominem. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #105
I sure do, I support Obama survelliance on large crowds hes in and terrorist organizations uponit7771 Jun 2013 #119
how about in your living room? in your children's bedroom? your phone? nashville_brook Jun 2013 #121
Carefully targeted information. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #151
+1 nashville_brook Jun 2013 #154
Uh huh. The "fudrs" are using ad hominem? Self parody much? DirkGently Jun 2013 #117
"Acronyms are so CLEVER!" nashville_brook Jun 2013 #122
"Friends of the Upper Delaware River? DirkGently Jun 2013 #123
frankly unrepentant democratic rabblerousers nashville_brook Jun 2013 #130
Fierce Uber Dems rallying! DirkGently Jun 2013 #131
fearless under dogs reporting nashville_brook Jun 2013 #134
Fun Underground Dems resplendent? DirkGently Jun 2013 #132
furry underwear doesn't ride-up nashville_brook Jun 2013 #140
Famous Uncles Diligently rotating? DirkGently Jun 2013 #142
fancy umbrella drains revealingly nashville_brook Jun 2013 #143
Farriers Unilaterally Dowsing Resevoirs? DirkGently Jun 2013 #155
What a brilliant piece Blecht Jun 2013 #12
thanks...and thank Twitter nashville_brook Jun 2013 #14
Yes it's the best source for news. dkf Jun 2013 #34
Not sure if I am addressing timdog44 Jun 2013 #13
No. We don't need them to get better at this. DirkGently Jun 2013 #17
I think the problem with surveillance timdog44 Jun 2013 #25
the surveillance is secret. the court proceeding of the secrets are secret. the legislative nashville_brook Jun 2013 #76
And who do you suggest they ask? timdog44 Jun 2013 #82
nosiree. stopping the dragnet surveillance is the only solution if we want a democracy. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #91
Note the use of the camouflage avatar kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #38
camo-tar...i hadn't thought of it that way... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #48
Obama has shown he's more concerned about whistleblowers than intel accuracy nashville_brook Jun 2013 #18
I think you are right about the whistleblower thing. timdog44 Jun 2013 #26
and yet you seem in favor of state surveillance of citizens. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #100
It seems that timdog44 Jun 2013 #103
i don't think you understand what this surveillance is about, or what acceptable limits are nashville_brook Jun 2013 #125
I suppose you may very well be right. timdog44 Jun 2013 #126
You're assuming that they wanted to know but just made some mistakes. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #39
But what I am seeing, timdog44 Jun 2013 #49
Well, we are Verizon customers who, as far as I know, are not under suspicion for any crime, let sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #55
We need to know how they're justifying the spying. DirkGently Jun 2013 #98
apparently there's plenty of DU-folk who agree that "lawful" means anything POTUS nashville_brook Jun 2013 #108
That is -- literally -- a Nixonian concept. DirkGently Jun 2013 #109
Cheney codified it for Bush and Obama did NOTHING to change it. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #115
+1000000 -- if we give up all our freedom they won't hate us anymore. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #50
Even the wealthy and powerful should care siligut Jun 2013 #15
what this means is that power will be defined by how much access is granted to OUR info nashville_brook Jun 2013 #16
And what about Skinner, Elad and EarlG? siligut Jun 2013 #23
hardly anyone posts anything personal info here...few use their real names nashville_brook Jun 2013 #27
Apparently NSA spooks are more trustworthy than DU DirkGently Jun 2013 #31
eggsactly! nashville_brook Jun 2013 #47
Tongue-in-cheek siligut Jun 2013 #43
:) and ALL the sockpuppet's IPs as well...I'm suuuuuurrrrre. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #46
I do see an occasional phishing post here... ReasonableToo Jun 2013 #83
you can't help but think that...i've thought it too. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #86
all citizens should oppose a security state. KG Jun 2013 #19
you'd think this would be non-controversial...and non-partisan... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #35
K&R. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #20
The rich are conserned about anything that could be used to undo them. The NSA will help out. L0oniX Jun 2013 #21
hell, with privatization, the "rich" likely own these networks in the first place. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #29
Some of it is undoubtedly farmed out to the likes of Raytheon and CSC BlueStreak Jun 2013 #36
imagine all the "foreign" companies that are likely contracting services. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #45
And remember, our database has a lot of information about citizens of other countries BlueStreak Jun 2013 #56
have you seen the Boundless Informant map? nashville_brook Jun 2013 #70
I am not surprised. This has not been the "land of the free" for a long time BlueStreak Jun 2013 #71
and, woe be to us if the Tea Party actually opposes the data suck too... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #73
Yes. Remember Jane Mayer's piece DirkGently Jun 2013 #79
What's the Problem with Metadata...her latest... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #114
k and r niyad Jun 2013 #30
Horrified by how many "liberals" are defending this shit moonbeam23 Jun 2013 #32
back in the 80s, one of the biggest reasons people wouldn't sign petitions, nashville_brook Jun 2013 #37
They only defend it because they are party liners. morningfog Jun 2013 #147
The scope of Big Data is far beyond what anybody is talking about BlueStreak Jun 2013 #33
FL school uses retina scan for students riding bus -- without parents consent nashville_brook Jun 2013 #40
That is probably not in the Data Base --- yet BlueStreak Jun 2013 #54
f'n good points on warrants and toll roads...also, the info is a marketable product nashville_brook Jun 2013 #64
That is why it is not constitutional RobertEarl Jun 2013 #77
Agree completely nashville_brook Jun 2013 #85
I think 99% of the people oppose a security state but what are you going to do about it? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #41
for those who are already "on the grid" -- let's USE the GRID to fight this. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #44
The Money Statement - Surveillance Leads To Fear Which Leads To Apathy Which Leads To Control cantbeserious Jun 2013 #52
Same nebenaube Jun 2013 #66
it's always been about criminalizing populations. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #74
better idea, all CITIZENS should oppose dragnet surveillance markiv Jun 2013 #57
yup -- totally agree. just addressing this problems w/in our own house nashville_brook Jun 2013 #60
Huge K&R 99Forever Jun 2013 #59
very interesting kentuck Jun 2013 #67
K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #68
Thank you for posting this. Last night when I dropped into DU and read all snappyturtle Jun 2013 #69
it's abhorrent to see DU defending this vast data collection nashville_brook Jun 2013 #72
I'm not so much 'ashamed' as I am frightened. Can't folks understand that snappyturtle Jun 2013 #75
"cyber-kettled"! THAT is perfect. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #78
Personality over principle. Just as a joke, DirkGently Jun 2013 #94
without waterboarding we'd be no better than the terrorists nashville_brook Jun 2013 #96
If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. DirkGently Jun 2013 #129
everybody's got something to hide... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #139
Obviously you forgot the sarcasm tag, or not? nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #159
Not sure it's facetious when directed at government. DirkGently Jun 2013 #160
Point taken. Also,the transparency talk is just that. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #161
It's hard for people with their knees jerking so violently. DirkGently Jun 2013 #157
K & R AzDar Jun 2013 #88
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #89
you're welcome WillyT! nashville_brook Jun 2013 #90
DURec leftstreet Jun 2013 #102
I *KNOW* it's being done to keep us safe!!! But I want to know how many pot smoking grannies it has Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #106
Maybe all liberals do. Doubt it? Point to a single liberal who does not. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #110
i can point to plenty of DUers... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #111
Are all of them or any of them liberals? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #112
:) thought that's where this was going...good point. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #113
Everywhere. joshcryer Jun 2013 #116
this is a finer detail...we have no idea how our data is being used, b/c nashville_brook Jun 2013 #120
It wouldn't surprise me if the NSA paid for this shit. joshcryer Jun 2013 #124
not just "getting paid" - ripping us off e.g. Trailblazer vs Thin Thread nashville_brook Jun 2013 #136
All liberals DO! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #118
definitely the litmus test of the moment! nashville_brook Jun 2013 #128
k/r 840high Jun 2013 #133
All coming together PopeOxycontinI Jun 2013 #135
+1 nashville_brook Jun 2013 #145
kicked for the night folk tavalon Jun 2013 #149
Kick for "The very existence of such state spying apparatus is enough ... Scuba Jun 2013 #152
The chilling effect ... DirkGently Jun 2013 #156
K & R! mia Jun 2013 #153
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2013 #158
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