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felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
32. People who are upset at surveillance now
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:08 PM
Jun 2013

are people who understand history. People, like myself, who have heard first hand experiences of life under a dictatorship. During the Bush administration, I heard from people who came to America as refugees from a dictatorship who were deeply disturbed, and said that 'it is happening here, this is how it starts.'

I am not sure if the window of opportunity to do something about this has passed. But I do know as time goes on, it becomes more and more dangerous to act..

By the time it becomes obvious even to the teabaggers, it is too late. The thing is, most Americans, even those who work for NSA and intelligence gathering, tell themselves these programs are for the greater good.

The difference between apologists and people who are disturbed by state surveillance--is the REALITY of SOCIOPATHS. We are being asked to trust all the people in these government agencies, but have been witnessing the system becoming pathological.

We are being asked to "trust us" while we witness unchecked police brutality and unprecedented incarceration----WE KNOW what is going down, dammit.

Thanks for sharing Blecht Jun 2013 #1
Great article. premium Jun 2013 #2
Today's "Frank Churches" have been bought off... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #9
Sadly, that is so true. nt. premium Jun 2013 #10
Or voted out nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #11
as a redditor RudynJack Jun 2013 #3
As a fellow redditor, tl/dr is understandable in many instances - but this? Melinda Jun 2013 #55
Did you not see the smiley face? RudynJack Jun 2013 #56
This should give us all something to think about. Arkansas Granny Jun 2013 #4
Original poster shames us all. JayhawkSD Jun 2013 #5
incredibly eye opening. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #6
Could not have said it better. If you think for a minute that OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2013 #7
I grew up in a country that never got to the point of the OP nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #8
newbee to reddit and I like what I read LittleGirl Jun 2013 #12
k and r--this should spark a few arcing brain cells. niyad Jun 2013 #13
With Safety & Security for All hypergrove Jun 2013 #14
don't forget--if we trust congress, we have nothing to worry about. niyad Jun 2013 #16
"if you have nothing to hide" is the meme of the police state, meant to short-circuit thinking, with niyad Jun 2013 #15
BOY HOWDY is this ever a MUST READ!! annabanana Jun 2013 #17
Huge K&R. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #18
A big DU Rec.....even if that might mean Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #19
"It's always a simple reason. Good people always do bad things for simple reasons." OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #24
Great. Now condense it to a bumper sticker superpatriotman Jun 2013 #20
Some GOP senators have had people arrested for even calling their offices ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #21
When Democrats and Republicans agree on something... Rozlee Jun 2013 #22
K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #23
But then it was too late. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #25
to read later. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #26
If only everyone could understand this! Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2013 #27
Spot on. pitbullgirl1965 Jun 2013 #28
thanks for posting LiberalLovinLug Jun 2013 #29
DURec for the Truth. bvar22 Jun 2013 #30
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #31
People who are upset at surveillance now felix_numinous Jun 2013 #32
So what do we do? quakerboy Jun 2013 #33
Get your congressman on board. Replace them if not. Ash_F Jun 2013 #54
K&R beemer27 Jun 2013 #34
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #35
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #36
Spot on! tavalon Jun 2013 #37
Thanks. Every thinking person has something to hide. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #38
Thank you and well said! truebluegreen Jun 2013 #39
Marking to read later... ReRe Jun 2013 #40
K&R excellent post! yonder Jun 2013 #41
Powerful stuff pscot Jun 2013 #42
It's the Stasi. "Lives of Others" GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #43
I listened to someone talking about how rapidly things changed in Venezuela in the early 70's Matariki Jun 2013 #44
Excellent read colorado_ufo Jun 2013 #45
K&R rastaone Jun 2013 #46
Perfect XemaSab Jun 2013 #47
Thank you. This should be at the top of the Greatest Page. woo me with science Jun 2013 #48
Wish I could rec this 1,000 times. snot Jun 2013 #49
Kudos to Original Poster and to DU poster. undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #50
K&R! octoberlib Jun 2013 #51
Who said this? timdog44 Jun 2013 #52
kick Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #53
Kick again! nt octoberlib Jun 2013 #57
kick woo me with science Jun 2013 #58
I may not have anything to hide but that's no reason not to distrust this kind of surveillance. GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #59
kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #60
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