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morningfog

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49. A new document detailing the over broad extent of one program

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:17 PM

Jun 2013

and disclosure of a second program that is even more invasive. All coming under Obama.

Much was thought to be occurring, now we know. I don't think the question of whether this is "newly known" is at all important. Whatever has caused the public scrutiny is not nearly as important as the fact that it is finally being discussed.

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Can someone fill me in: is there anything new in this spying report we didn't know in 2006? [View all] Recursion Jun 2013 OP

Not really. Except back then, the White Guy was doing it. n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #1

Thank you! I thought my brain was gone. Frustratedlady Jun 2013 #32

I feel the way you do madokie Jun 2013 #63

The opposition to this has nothing to do with race. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #37

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #64

Yes AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #2

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #6

Well, there's certainly that (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #9

Yep, I expected this from a Republican, but I expected a Democrat to end the practice. 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #16

Obama has used the law to the fullest extent possible DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #3

So why is it then that a majority (including Dems) in Congress voted for this thing Sheepshank Jun 2013 #22

Answers: DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #24

in other words all those panties in a twist over a bunch if made up maybes. N/t Sheepshank Jun 2013 #25

You're causing a problem in this country DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #28

With respect, I wish you wouldn't use terms like that to describe people who disagree with you. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #38

Obama was also part of this congress back in 2008 Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #27

That vote is my biggest disappointment in Obama, personally (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #29

Yeah but they like to spin things Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #30

nope. It's just the monthly renewal a of a warrant they've been responding to every month librechik Jun 2013 #4

It's not like we knew about all the previous three-month renewals. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #36

it was discussed openly at the time it happened. Following your logic librechik Jun 2013 #40

He's the one who's asking for the renewals now. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #41

by "he" I think you mean the Justice Department. And like I said, he voted for it librechik Jun 2013 #46

It certainly seems a lot of people, even in government, were unaware of it until now. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #48

How could they have been unaware? mercuryblues Jun 2013 #72

NOT A DAMN THANG!!! Maddow asked the same question last night on her show uponit7771 Jun 2013 #5

No, Sir, There Is Not The Magistrate Jun 2013 #7

Impeach WovenGems Jun 2013 #12

...and be accused of supporting civil rights? brooklynite Jun 2013 #14

It won't happen because Republicans as well as Democrats review all this. randome Jun 2013 #20

^^^^^. THIS. ^^^^^^ pkdu Jun 2013 #34

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #65

PRISM B2G Jun 2013 #8

How is that different from Carnivore? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #11

Hugely different B2G Jun 2013 #17

Nothing new. And, same old shit from the same old crowd that thinks a new POTUS=New Government. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #10

I don't know what you mean. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #42

Of course a new President does not mean a new government Recursion Jun 2013 #44

Well, it certainly means a new executive branch. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #45

That's what I'm saying. The president sits in a chair, a role, surrounded by thousands of programs, NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #47

Was there PRISM back then, or... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #13

OK, my jet-lag addled brain just grasped that there are two separate programs here Recursion Jun 2013 #15

That is correct. n/t B2G Jun 2013 #19

Well, the NSA has always been off the grid and done things yer normal agencies can't do... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #23

No. Not really. MineralMan Jun 2013 #18

Which Glen Greenwald is very adept at doing. randome Jun 2013 #21

Indeed. And so it continues. MineralMan Jun 2013 #56

Sierra-squared, Delta-squared riqster Jun 2013 #26

Yes. "Driftnet" warrants aren't just for cities or areas, it's actually universal surveillance. leveymg Jun 2013 #31

How long has that been the case? That was my main worry about FISA initially (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #43

Thin Thread went operational shortly after 9/11; warrantless data storage right after Bush came in. leveymg Jun 2013 #58

What is TIA? Chuuku Davis Jun 2013 #78

I think the major issue is that It is STLL happening. MindPilot Jun 2013 #33

As far as I know... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #35

Yes Aerows Jun 2013 #39

A new document detailing the over broad extent of one program morningfog Jun 2013 #49

Yes: that your President fully supports it in its entirety. nt Dreamer Tatum Jun 2013 #50

Link and quote uponit7771 Jun 2013 #67

Does it matter if there's anything new? bowens43 Jun 2013 #51

The media are all over this Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #52

Not only NO! libodem Jun 2013 #53

Nope. But why skip the opportunity for poutrage? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #54

I hadn't heard of PRISM before. (NSA and FBI retrieving data from internet servers) AndyA Jun 2013 #55

PRISM operates off the surveillance backbone created by the 1995 CALEA Act that mandated the telcos leveymg Jun 2013 #59

No, the major carriers say they have nothing installed to provide this data to the government AndyA Jun 2013 #70

Every telco must have CALEA-compliant switching equipment by law. Just Google that. leveymg Jun 2013 #71

This isn't the same thing: PRISM is not CALEA AndyA Jun 2013 #73

The metadata program uses the CALEA mandated equipment. eom leveymg Jun 2013 #74

Nope. bunnies Jun 2013 #57

I wish you were right that this were just partisan politics rather than the reality hitting people leveymg Jun 2013 #60

Its quite the thing to witness, really. bunnies Jun 2013 #61

Yes, a lot of people know and care more about Hillary's hair than about Libya and Syria, and more leveymg Jun 2013 #62

Oh, but it looks so much better longer. bunnies Jun 2013 #66

Wow, that was a stunningly pathetic attempt at a yawn. woo me with science Jun 2013 #68

The President is no longer a white male conservative... NutmegYankee Jun 2013 #69

Nope. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #75

Did you know the DNI found that the NSA had violated the constitution.... dkf Jun 2013 #76

And THIS is why you don't pass a bunch of shit that undermines democracy. liberalmuse Jun 2013 #77