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randome

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20. It won't happen because Republicans as well as Democrats review all this.

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:11 PM

Jun 2013

They are all to blame for any over-reach. Personally, I couldn't care less about phone record metadata but that's just me.

The rest of it? Impeach the Patriot Act!

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Can someone fill me in: is there anything new in this spying report we didn't know in 2006? [View all] Recursion Jun 2013 OP

Not really. Except back then, the White Guy was doing it. n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #1

Thank you! I thought my brain was gone. Frustratedlady Jun 2013 #32

I feel the way you do madokie Jun 2013 #63

The opposition to this has nothing to do with race. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #37

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #64

Yes AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #2

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #6

Well, there's certainly that (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #9

Yep, I expected this from a Republican, but I expected a Democrat to end the practice. 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #16

Obama has used the law to the fullest extent possible DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #3

So why is it then that a majority (including Dems) in Congress voted for this thing Sheepshank Jun 2013 #22

Answers: DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #24

in other words all those panties in a twist over a bunch if made up maybes. N/t Sheepshank Jun 2013 #25

You're causing a problem in this country DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #28

With respect, I wish you wouldn't use terms like that to describe people who disagree with you. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #38

Obama was also part of this congress back in 2008 Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #27

That vote is my biggest disappointment in Obama, personally (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #29

Yeah but they like to spin things Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #30

nope. It's just the monthly renewal a of a warrant they've been responding to every month librechik Jun 2013 #4

It's not like we knew about all the previous three-month renewals. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #36

it was discussed openly at the time it happened. Following your logic librechik Jun 2013 #40

He's the one who's asking for the renewals now. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #41

by "he" I think you mean the Justice Department. And like I said, he voted for it librechik Jun 2013 #46

It certainly seems a lot of people, even in government, were unaware of it until now. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #48

How could they have been unaware? mercuryblues Jun 2013 #72

NOT A DAMN THANG!!! Maddow asked the same question last night on her show uponit7771 Jun 2013 #5

No, Sir, There Is Not The Magistrate Jun 2013 #7

Impeach WovenGems Jun 2013 #12

...and be accused of supporting civil rights? brooklynite Jun 2013 #14

It won't happen because Republicans as well as Democrats review all this. randome Jun 2013 #20

^^^^^. THIS. ^^^^^^ pkdu Jun 2013 #34

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #65

PRISM B2G Jun 2013 #8

How is that different from Carnivore? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #11

Hugely different B2G Jun 2013 #17

Nothing new. And, same old shit from the same old crowd that thinks a new POTUS=New Government. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #10

I don't know what you mean. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #42

Of course a new President does not mean a new government Recursion Jun 2013 #44

Well, it certainly means a new executive branch. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #45

That's what I'm saying. The president sits in a chair, a role, surrounded by thousands of programs, NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #47

Was there PRISM back then, or... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #13

OK, my jet-lag addled brain just grasped that there are two separate programs here Recursion Jun 2013 #15

That is correct. n/t B2G Jun 2013 #19

Well, the NSA has always been off the grid and done things yer normal agencies can't do... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #23

No. Not really. MineralMan Jun 2013 #18

Which Glen Greenwald is very adept at doing. randome Jun 2013 #21

Indeed. And so it continues. MineralMan Jun 2013 #56

Sierra-squared, Delta-squared riqster Jun 2013 #26

Yes. "Driftnet" warrants aren't just for cities or areas, it's actually universal surveillance. leveymg Jun 2013 #31

How long has that been the case? That was my main worry about FISA initially (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #43

Thin Thread went operational shortly after 9/11; warrantless data storage right after Bush came in. leveymg Jun 2013 #58

What is TIA? Chuuku Davis Jun 2013 #78

I think the major issue is that It is STLL happening. MindPilot Jun 2013 #33

As far as I know... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #35

Yes Aerows Jun 2013 #39

A new document detailing the over broad extent of one program morningfog Jun 2013 #49

Yes: that your President fully supports it in its entirety. nt Dreamer Tatum Jun 2013 #50

Link and quote uponit7771 Jun 2013 #67

Does it matter if there's anything new? bowens43 Jun 2013 #51

The media are all over this Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #52

Not only NO! libodem Jun 2013 #53

Nope. But why skip the opportunity for poutrage? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #54

I hadn't heard of PRISM before. (NSA and FBI retrieving data from internet servers) AndyA Jun 2013 #55

PRISM operates off the surveillance backbone created by the 1995 CALEA Act that mandated the telcos leveymg Jun 2013 #59

No, the major carriers say they have nothing installed to provide this data to the government AndyA Jun 2013 #70

Every telco must have CALEA-compliant switching equipment by law. Just Google that. leveymg Jun 2013 #71

This isn't the same thing: PRISM is not CALEA AndyA Jun 2013 #73

The metadata program uses the CALEA mandated equipment. eom leveymg Jun 2013 #74

Nope. bunnies Jun 2013 #57

I wish you were right that this were just partisan politics rather than the reality hitting people leveymg Jun 2013 #60

Its quite the thing to witness, really. bunnies Jun 2013 #61

Yes, a lot of people know and care more about Hillary's hair than about Libya and Syria, and more leveymg Jun 2013 #62

Oh, but it looks so much better longer. bunnies Jun 2013 #66

Wow, that was a stunningly pathetic attempt at a yawn. woo me with science Jun 2013 #68

The President is no longer a white male conservative... NutmegYankee Jun 2013 #69

Nope. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #75

Did you know the DNI found that the NSA had violated the constitution.... dkf Jun 2013 #76

And THIS is why you don't pass a bunch of shit that undermines democracy. liberalmuse Jun 2013 #77