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The point of a warrant is that it means judicial involvment geek tragedy Jun 2013 #1
And it doesn't disturb you Aerows Jun 2013 #3
Judicial involvement is never irrelevant. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4
It is when you can't bring anyone Aerows Jun 2013 #7
Someone would need to demonstrate harm and then you can ALWAYS take officials to task. randome Jun 2013 #16
That's not the point, premium Jun 2013 #21
Do you know how many legal warrants are issued that 'we, the people' never see? randome Jun 2013 #25
You're kidding right? premium Jun 2013 #28
Exactly Aerows Jun 2013 #29
Absolutely. premium Jun 2013 #33
There are many different types at DU. Don't let one cohort get you down BlueStreak Jun 2013 #74
You're right, premium Jun 2013 #80
About 99% agrement. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #126
"I am sad that people here are actually justifying this" Why are you surprised? cstanleytech Jun 2013 #117
Maybe I just expected something different premium Jun 2013 #120
Even on a more progressive board you will find differences of opinion. nt cstanleytech Jun 2013 #128
I expected different also. We are in the same boat it seems. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #151
Why has this process gone on for more than a day then? It sounds like it violates a part of the... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #42
I guess that too many Americans knew nothing about the secret FISA court premium Jun 2013 #46
But are the results going to be used in a criminal prosecution? treestar Jun 2013 #82
It's about controlling the American population, premium Jun 2013 #92
How is the population controlled in any way? treestar Jun 2013 #135
Approximately nobody understands the point of your subject line jberryhill Jun 2013 #136
I'll issue a warrant for your arrest Aerows Jun 2013 #32
Were you around during the Bush years by any chance?? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #60
And because outrage was directed at Bush, we instituted reforms. randome Jun 2013 #65
Then you are incredibly naive Aerows Jun 2013 #70
And those "reforms" were soundly condemned from many quarters. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #75
And we are soundly Aerows Jun 2013 #87
Um, no, wrong again. We already HAD a policy whereby a warrant was needed from the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #145
Which brings to mind, why should the attacks be on Bush or Obama treestar Jun 2013 #142
It is when it's nothing more than a rubber stamp for the govt. nt. premium Jun 2013 #12
The judicial involvment is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the govt. premium Jun 2013 #9
Greater transparency is called for, but that doesn't mean geek tragedy Jun 2013 #15
Every single FISA request submitted last year, ~1600 or so, was approved DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #19
Once again, premium Jun 2013 #30
The problem is that Congress hasn't politicized it enough. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #34
The problem is that the Congress, both sides of the aisle, aren't listening premium Jun 2013 #36
How widespread is the outrage amongst the American people? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #37
From the people I've had a chance to talk to in my town, premium Jun 2013 #39
Think back to the NDAA debate from last year. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #40
That may be, premium Jun 2013 #44
Here's the reality: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #45
I'm all for curbing the power of the EB, premium Jun 2013 #47
It takes constant lobbying and agitating. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #48
On principle, I agree with you there, premium Jun 2013 #49
Obama's not the one to check his own authority. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #51
But he could check his own authority, premium Jun 2013 #53
And then suppose two weeks later a terrorist bomb goes off in Grand Central Station. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #55
WTF does this have to do with innocent americans phone records? premium Jun 2013 #59
No, think the scenario through: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #62
Ok, so we trade our rights for security? premium Jun 2013 #64
I'm saying, for political and institutional reasons any scaling back geek tragedy Jun 2013 #68
Agreed, and, hopefully, this revelation is the beginning of it. nt. premium Jun 2013 #73
Indeed. Here's a sad paradox. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #76
The 'political fallout' geek tragedy refers to would be this. randome Jun 2013 #69
I agree that we need to, either change the Patriot Act, premium Jun 2013 #88
A sustained, focused effort could do the job. randome Jun 2013 #116
I Can't Fathom RobinA Jun 2013 #50
I'm in tears of frustration that so many Americans premium Jun 2013 #57
It stuns me Aerows Jun 2013 #77
Phone meta data disclosure pales in comparison to loss of healthcare and marriage rights... SunSeeker Jun 2013 #111
How do you know Aerows Jun 2013 #114
I base my position on reality, not conspiracy theories. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #119
Do you really think Aerows Jun 2013 #122
Do you really think it is worth losing marriage and abortion rights and being stuck in endless wars SunSeeker Jun 2013 #129
I refused to excuse this under Bush Aerows Jun 2013 #133
Phone meta data disclosure does not equal storm troopers in your bedroom.. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #138
Wait for it Aerows Jun 2013 #89
Like the classified documents leaked treestar Jun 2013 #143
Maybe some of the requests are not approved treestar Jun 2013 #85
How would we know? premium Jun 2013 #115
Presumably the American people thought the purpose was to catch terrorists treestar Jun 2013 #121
I agree that the original intent wasn't to spy on innocent Americans premium Jun 2013 #124
A warrant for all data of all users everyday is no better than no different than no morningfog Jun 2013 #31
So you're okay with your government issuing a secret warrant to spy on you and your loved ones sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #56
I would bet 25 years is a standard declassification date. randome Jun 2013 #2
And that needs to change Aerows Jun 2013 #6
Start a petition or something. I'll sign it. randome Jun 2013 #10
I would Aerows Jun 2013 #22
Your bet is correct. jeff47 Jun 2013 #94
I think it's a big fucking mess and nobody is doing their job. That, and the terrorists won. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #5
This is what happens Aerows Jun 2013 #11
Like the 8 years of unlawfulness under the BFEE. Rex Jun 2013 #24
Yup. 25 years is remarkably bullshitty. What the Fuck? I mean really? NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #58
...a tangled web of them, I'd guess... KoKo Jun 2013 #139
Good point, KoKo. If the quality of their PowerPoint slides is any indication... NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #144
Fingers Crossed.... KoKo Jun 2013 #148
We can't even get Congress to pass a budget! randome Jun 2013 #18
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #43
Seriously? Where did you find out that information? Rex Jun 2013 #8
It's on the top secret leaked "warrant" Aerows Jun 2013 #13
Holyshit. Rex Jun 2013 #20
The whole thing sends up red flags. Aerows Jun 2013 #23
25 years is a standard classification duration. jeff47 Jun 2013 #95
This should have been 5 Aerows Jun 2013 #99
Duration depends on the classification guide. jeff47 Jun 2013 #104
Says by default 10 years. Rex Jun 2013 #118
Ten years Aerows Jun 2013 #123
Should be 5 years imo or some only 1 year. Rex Jun 2013 #125
Don't want anyone to have to go to jail Aerows Jun 2013 #127
Not the select few, no, brilliant way to cover all tracks Rex Jun 2013 #130
Keep in mind what's classified. jeff47 Jun 2013 #147
Is AQ a "shell of its former self" as we've been told? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #14
Yeah, but if you can put off Aerows Jun 2013 #17
Yup. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #27
Bump Aerows Jun 2013 #26
It's only the 4th amendment. No biggie. Prism Jun 2013 #35
I don't know how anyone Aerows Jun 2013 #38
It's a carefully planned game. Prism Jun 2013 #41
How can one get a warrant to search everyone? Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #52
You forgot the part Aerows Jun 2013 #54
true. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #61
They aren't. They're getting a warrant to search the phone companies. jeff47 Jun 2013 #98
That's a new one Aerows Jun 2013 #103
Yep, they do. jeff47 Jun 2013 #105
Since you are so well-versed Aerows Jun 2013 #108
You already claimed to have a copy. You can't search for "government"? jeff47 Jun 2013 #146
Not claiming it's "better", just that it's 100% legal. tridim Jun 2013 #63
OMG Aerows Jun 2013 #66
No, I'm stating that the NSA is currently acting legally, while Bush acted illegally. tridim Jun 2013 #71
You state legally Aerows Jun 2013 #78
Bush's warrantless wiretapping was illegal OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #72
Oh, hey let's get everyone worked up over a total misconception. We use the warrant listed in the okaawhatever Jun 2013 #67
The warrant specifically states that national and local calls are covered. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #96
It most certainly does Aerows Jun 2013 #97
You need to ensure you don't do the same. jeff47 Jun 2013 #100
This isn't at that level by any means Aerows Jun 2013 #102
Depends on the classification guide. jeff47 Jun 2013 #107
It's a system treestar Jun 2013 #79
Uh, they are spying on everybody Aerows Jun 2013 #84
There are always spies treestar Jun 2013 #90
And some people Aerows Jun 2013 #93
There's no illegal behavior here treestar Jun 2013 #132
The hell there isn't Aerows Jun 2013 #134
The hamster wheels have been spinning with these new talking points all morning. villager Jun 2013 #81
What would your approach be? still_one Jun 2013 #83
Get an individual warrant Aerows Jun 2013 #101
Appreciate that you provided a solution. Perhaps when this debate takes place in Congress something still_one Jun 2013 #109
Well it was a BRILLIANT Aerows Jun 2013 #112
The data is gone after 3 months. jeff47 Jun 2013 #150
How do we get to truly debate this with so much politics in the mix? SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #86
I'm glad you guys took my advice Aerows Jun 2013 #91
Keep trying Aerows Jun 2013 #106
So Per Your Reasoning, On the Road Jun 2013 #110
As a member of the Aerows Jun 2013 #113
*scratches head* Ok could you try and explain that again please. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #131
How do you have probable cause Aerows Jun 2013 #137
How to have probably cause for the collection of phone numbers cstanleytech Jun 2013 #140
I am Sure You Would Like to Know About it On the Road Jun 2013 #141
What's going on now with our Tech Revolution is way beyond what you are KoKo Jun 2013 #149
And they'll just renew it every year so that 25 years is always down the road. DCKit Jun 2013 #152
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