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Response to UrbScotty (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:05 AM

40. Tell me more

about the constitutional law professor in DC. Before you do, allow me to quote a particularly interesting bit of that article that one would think even non-lawyers might notice.

"Moreover, there’s no requirement that at least one party to the call must be foreign. The order includes calls “wholly within the United States.” Nor is there any requirement that the government show probable cause to justify its demand for any particular record. It only has to offer “reasonable grounds to believe” that the records being sought are “relevant to an authorized investigation.”"

The fact that a "court" can be used to rubber stamp an order that can't even pass the pathetically easy hurdle of probable cause might well fall within the minimum standards of constitutionality, but, to use a phrase I hate, let's not pretend it passes the smell test. The majesty of the law is cheapened when this happens. It would be more honest to simply take the information without a warrant rather than slap together a bare-bones nod to constitutionality by filtering the identities while conveniently leaving all the other identifying information. This kind of hypocrisy is exactly what breeds cynicism about government and those who govern. Sure, it might pass muster as "legal" so long as nobody bothers to think about it for longer than 2 seconds, but let's not pretend for a moment that it's right.

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