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In reply to the discussion: Officers of the United States Government should be on trial -- not PFC Bradley Manning. [View all]deurbano
(2,894 posts)143. Daniel Ellsberg talking about Manning case on The Cycle (MSNBC): link from Charles Pierce's column
Watch the whole thing, if possible.... but at least the 5-6 min., starting at the 4 min. mark.
Ellsberg says the info HE leaked was "Top Secret," and he didn't even bother looking at merely "Secret" stuff when he was in the Pentagon. Ellsberg says Manning also routinely had access to "Top Secret" (and above) communication and intelligence, but only released unclassified and "Secret" info.. and that he (Ellsberg) was surprised at the amount of criminality that was revealed in the merely "Secret" info... which must mean that sort of behavior is routine, now. (Which is not a positive reflection on the direction in which our government has been moving.)
Also according to Ellsberg, Manning realized what he ought to do by 22 while it took Ellsberg until he was 40.
And If Bradley Manning had committed atrocities instead of exposing them, he would almost certainly be a free man, today.
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Officers of the United States Government should be on trial -- not PFC Bradley Manning. [View all]
Octafish
Jun 2013
OP
Big difference is I post useful information that adds to what we know about the gangsters.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#90
What you just posted is nonsense. Everyone here is subject to being asked for links with backup.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#134
Of course you don't, but a whole lot of other people, do. Occulus, a great DUer like Octafish
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#197
So far, due to the fact that RFK Jr has credibility, as opposed to his few detractors, and I
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#265
+ a million. And it would be a perfect 100% over the people high fiving that personal attack on him
Number23
Jun 2013
#202
I couldn't agree more, and I have no doubt at all that a majority of people here
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#195
yup, their anti vax woo, as well as constant campaigning against Dems, makes DU special...
dionysus
Jun 2013
#255
Call it what you want, you're still wrong. Greenwald is correct on Manning vs. the Warmongers
Octafish
Jun 2013
#329
Sid - Ellsberg didn't have time to read all the Pentagon Papers, either. Your argument is trash.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#234
Excellent post and everyone knows that the nonsensical claim that 'he didn't read
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#270
Sid, Ellsberg actually says the term "data dump" . . ." is the opposite of the truth."
leveymg
Jun 2013
#294
But, not a single act of persecution as a result of a quarter million unvetted docs in 3 yrs?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#314
That's a little circular. Secrets to protect secrets, etc. Are you speculating, or is that based in
leveymg
Jun 2013
#319
I just amended the previous post to give an example. And then I found this one:
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#320
As someone who's prepared hundreds of Ethiopian asylum claims, I am not in the least
leveymg
Jun 2013
#321
I think there is no question we would be better off if it had not been released. If Manning had
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#135
I did not read all the Wikileaks, but I feel better off that he released them.
JDPriestly
Jun 2013
#153
We are better off, although it may take a while for this country to acknowledge that.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#204
I'll take the most famous and most credible Whistle Blower's word on that. Daniel
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#164
absolute garbage. Who is this "private entity" that has "hostility to the USA"?
Swagman
Jun 2013
#231
That he didn't follow "legal procedures" doesn't make him any less a whistleblower - it just put him
leveymg
Jun 2013
#299
The difference is, Nixon unleashed the Plumbers on Ellsberg and got himself Impeached.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#315
No. Otherwise the Pentagon would not report that national security was not harmed by WikiLeaks.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#5
He has not been convicted, yet you think him so. Is that based on something you learned on tee vee?
Octafish
Jun 2013
#12
Strange. My link below works fine but Premium's does not. I don't see the difference.
randome
Jun 2013
#91
The thing is that CBS report also goes to The Times article that was debunked from 3 years ago.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#125
There are zero follow-up reports. No evidence reported. Three years on. Ergo, de-bunked.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#165
Leaking the names of hundreds of overseas informants was NOT the right thing to do.
randome
Jun 2013
#38
Great question. Thanks also for sharing that story about your relative, the WAC.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#248
Alot of us are not that familar with the UCMJ so could you link the specific section that
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#173
Great. A splash page for the show. The only place I've seen anyone link to such is Free Republic.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#22
So? That's a different thing, entirely. You have yet to show where I called anyone a freeper.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#121
Do you have source materials, an 8 minute video from an opnion show is not really news.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#23
Even in the crappiest democracy there wouldn't be assassination of Americans without trial.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#291
The pentagon does not have covert agents in the field. Get back to me when the CIA says it has not
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#132
Are we five years old now? Is any country going to acknowledge the elimination of its agents or
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#167
LOL, Manning didn't do that. He released hundreds of thousands of documents at random.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#168
LOL is an entirely appropriate response. He had options for addressing the specific wrongdoing
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#180
You mean, apart from the Army's interns at CNN and NPR, a direct phone call from CIA works wonders.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#338
What I know: People killed by Bradley Manning-0. People killed by Bush & Cheney-100,000+
Octafish
Jun 2013
#335
Bush. Cheney. Powell. Rumsfeld...When will they go on trial for lying America into war?
Octafish
Jun 2013
#20
'Washington Babylon' explains why things are so messed up that money really does trump peace.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#31
And yet in one case we are told to 'turn the page, look forward, turn a blind eye to crime'
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#27
I advocate for the prosecution of Bush, Cheney et al, often on my radio show. So thats not true. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#129
I'm eagerly awaiting the trials of the murderers and other miscreants he exposed.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#21
Wait a second!!! That makes no sense!! Manning dumps 700k documents and videos and
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#52
We needed a Bradley Manning to tell us that Bush and Cheney are criminals??? I think not. nt
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#117
Obviously, the "dumping" of documents was harmless and he should be released.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#56
Those named were corrupt officials whose names were originally in a Dari-language academic paper.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#300
It's interesting that in 3 yrs since that article appeared, not one verified case of harm.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#310
Believe me, if there was one severed head, we would have seen it. Over and over and over again.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#313
Great point. The thing is, the other documents revealed State Department work for money grubbers.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#253
It is well known that there is a rather large portion of Govt. that is above the law.
Dragonfli
Jun 2013
#28
(02:14:21 PM) Manning: listened and lip-synced to Lady Gaga’s Telephone while exfiltratrating possi
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#114
Stomping on a lowly soldier who got disgusted with our horrible forever wars...
Peace Patriot
Jun 2013
#43
Bush has the blood of (at a minimum) 100,000 innocent poeple on his hands. Go
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#203
If it were not for the original sin of Operation Shocking and Awful, Manning
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#210
If Manning hadn't volunteered to join the Army, he never would have served either.
MADem
Jun 2013
#211
Well, if you go back to my original post that began this little sub-thread
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#212
Your Cheney and my Cheney are two quite different monsters. The last time
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#218
Good grief, that's an advocacy site read by less than one percent of the country.
MADem
Jun 2013
#221
But there is one for what constitutes "news"--and a cite from three years ago is not news. nt
MADem
Jun 2013
#328
Can you explain why in 3 yrs there hasn't been a single verified victim of the "data dump"?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#318
Me, too. OTOH, the leaders who lied America into war aren't getting deserved attention these days.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#282
Presidenture Poppy Bush and Secretary Cheney broke the law by lying America into war in 1990.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#330
As opposed to "Did you come up with that all by yourself"? You think that's original? nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#182
I'm happy to let DUers interpret whether "Did you come up with that all by yourself?" addresses
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#189
1. Totally agree and K and R. 2. Slightly off topic: does anyone have a relevant link
Smarmie Doofus
Jun 2013
#138
Daniel Ellsberg talking about Manning case on The Cycle (MSNBC): link from Charles Pierce's column
deurbano
Jun 2013
#143
I believe there is already something in place Manning could have used which is
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#175
Another hero, who like Manning, would not sacrifice his humanity. He rescued the two children
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#163
"The truth is Manning has done a great service, both to MI5 and the UK as a whole."
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#250