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Do smoking bans apply to e-cigarettes? [View all] The Straight Story May 2013 OP
I don't know, don't even know if it should... Chan790 May 2013 #1
Nicotine is not the agent in cigarettes that causes health problems. Doremus May 2013 #160
Hooray for you. It is not easy to quit smoking. iemitsu May 2013 #328
Gratz! beevul May 2013 #332
There is no rationale for bannage from a scientific viewpoint Trajan May 2013 #2
They don't seem to emit any noxious smoke or odor BainsBane May 2013 #20
The manufacturers sued to have them classified as tobacco products, pnwmom May 2013 #26
we have had this discussion before ... Trajan May 2013 #34
They are beneficial for smokers. But not for second-hand smokers, who are also human. pnwmom May 2013 #36
Exposure to what? Luminous Animal May 2013 #40
To chemicals in the vapor, which is not pure H2O. pnwmom May 2013 #41
Smoking bans don't generally apply to tobacco products Mariana May 2013 #44
They produce a vapor that is not pure H2O. pnwmom May 2013 #46
But they don't emit smoke Mariana May 2013 #61
You are going to die from bad breath nebenaube May 2013 #64
Not even secondhand smoke. It's vapor. Mariana May 2013 #67
Vapor gets into the lungs, and this vapor has not been studied with research pnwmom May 2013 #118
Yes, it has, by the New Zealand Department of Health jberryhill May 2013 #251
Any company which wants to get FDA approval needs to conduct their own research pnwmom May 2013 #257
Only if its classified as a drug or drug devise. N/T Tyhanna May 2013 #267
Right -- if they DON'T want it to be classified as a tobacco product. pnwmom May 2013 #269
So does hot coffee. N/T beevul May 2013 #74
and cars... but people "need" cars... ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #313
Wrong... opiate69 May 2013 #45
They are in a special category of regulation that allows them to escape pnwmom May 2013 #167
Nice backpedal Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #242
It's what I've been saying all along but you apparently can't read. nt pnwmom May 2013 #245
I can read fine Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #246
Not where I work. NaturalHigh May 2013 #3
Smoking bans should apply to ........... smoke DJ13 May 2013 #4
What YOU said. . . n/t annabanana May 2013 #5
Right on. SirRevolutionary May 2013 #9
I don't want to be around either. Use them at home. n-t Logical May 2013 #11
Can you explain why? bighart May 2013 #15
Not logically. Luminous Animal May 2013 #19
For my part, I dislike them only slightly less than cigarettes bhikkhu May 2013 #37
So you are against alcohol being drunk in public. After all.. Luminous Animal May 2013 #43
Nicotine is the cause of heart disease bhikkhu May 2013 #66
Not lack of exercise or poor diet, just nicotine? tridim May 2013 #137
nicotine level unrelated to risk jbond56 May 2013 #211
You don't have to go al the way back to 1983 bhikkhu May 2013 #238
okay jamiea99 May 2013 #370
No increased risk compared to what behavior? bhikkhu May 2013 #375
not true Tyhanna Jun 2013 #378
very misleading jamiea99 May 2013 #367
Many e-cig users use liquids with zero nicotine. Mariana May 2013 #49
If that's so then I wouldn't have any issue with it bhikkhu May 2013 #68
It is so. Mariana May 2013 #71
LOL La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #53
Have you ever watched a person die from heart disease? bhikkhu May 2013 #70
yes and clearly judging addicts to the degree you do, is the very BEST La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #138
Well let's just legislate everything that ohheckyeah May 2013 #76
I agree ryan_cats May 2013 #142
AFAIK, nicotine is about as harmful as caffeine. RedCappedBandit May 2013 #181
I don't know how harmful caffeine is bhikkhu May 2013 #189
And the FDA limits caffeine levels. pnwmom May 2013 #288
Should coffee be banned from public use as well? RedCappedBandit May 2013 #176
Why, has it killed anyone? bhikkhu May 2013 #190
It's on par with nicotine, from what I've read. RedCappedBandit May 2013 #191
Studies, research, links? bhikkhu May 2013 #192
I'm finding quite a few sources going either way. RedCappedBandit May 2013 #193
Good points, and "addict" is unfair as a derogatory remark bhikkhu May 2013 #199
I've actually quit both cigarettes and caffeine.. RedCappedBandit May 2013 #204
They don't have any TAR... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #212
Nicotine has the same health risk as caffeine Alan Selk Jul 2013 #383
seriously? NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #384
Its not a matter of opinion bhikkhu Jul 2013 #385
And your opinion of addiction is........ Alan Selk Jul 2013 #386
Oh good grief.... ohheckyeah May 2013 #25
The vapor isn't pure H2O. The manufacturers refuse to do the research pnwmom May 2013 #39
Do you even know what is used besides water? ohheckyeah May 2013 #77
It is a lung irritant when vaporized, and people with asthma pnwmom May 2013 #111
just a side note energumen May 2013 #139
An asthma inhaler doesn't HEAT propylene glycol, producing formaldehyde. pnwmom May 2013 #147
Uhh, the vapor is mostly not h20 at all. beevul May 2013 #78
Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin!!!!!! ohheckyeah May 2013 #83
I know, right? LOL N/T beevul May 2013 #88
It just makes me weary. ohheckyeah May 2013 #90
it is a confirmation of sorts, to me, of that which I already know too well. beevul May 2013 #94
Which, when heated, forms formaldehyde -- not an innocuous substance. pnwmom May 2013 #188
My workplace treats them like cigs sweetloukillbot May 2013 #6
You'd Probably Not Even Know When Someone Is Vaping... KharmaTrain May 2013 #7
"Vaping?" nt Deep13 May 2013 #59
What "Smoking" An Electronic Cigarette Is Called... KharmaTrain May 2013 #69
And pot smokers are called "vipers," owing to the hissing... Eleanors38 May 2013 #98
That's Already Happened... KharmaTrain May 2013 #113
The politics of stigmatization. A good topic for discussion... Eleanors38 May 2013 #131
I have been on them for over two years. Have vaped at work regularly and on planes, trains, and in Malikshah May 2013 #180
Sadly, yes. The anti-smoker warriors want to ban the very idea of smoking SirRevolutionary May 2013 #8
So are you for or against? Iggo May 2013 #14
Against an ecig ban? I'm against it. SirRevolutionary May 2013 #18
yes because they blow out nictotine which poisons the non-drug addicts in the room nt msongs May 2013 #10
LOL that's not the justification for smoking bans. FAIL. nt DevonRex May 2013 #12
Untrue. Occulus May 2013 #153
You show up every e-cig thread Capt. Obvious May 2013 #248
Why do you spout this lie every time this discussion comes up? TransitJohn May 2013 #301
I'm curious as to how much nicotine the "smoker" exhales customerserviceguy May 2013 #13
Smoking bans aren't due to nicotine exhalation. It's the DevonRex May 2013 #22
The vapor from e-cigs can carry contaminants into the lungs just as smoke can. pnwmom May 2013 #256
My lab tested this, though we haven't published it yet. politicat May 2013 #24
Any idea when this will be published? beevul May 2013 #82
Best bet is late next year. politicat May 2013 #148
Thanks customerserviceguy May 2013 #136
Please do let us know when it is published LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #262
Oh, hell. Yippee. Another battle. politicat May 2013 #16
I call mine a vaporizer, if someone asks. Mariana May 2013 #55
They shouldn't but I'm sure the smoke nazis will get their way. MrSlayer May 2013 #17
The manufacturers SUED to have them classified with tobacco products pnwmom May 2013 #27
The patch is sold almost everywhere,as is the gum. virgogal May 2013 #30
Yes, and the patches are subject to FDA rules, pnwmom May 2013 #33
I just think it's stupid to ban a harmless product. MrSlayer May 2013 #32
Since the research hasn't been done to show what's in the vapor pnwmom May 2013 #35
It seems self-evident. MrSlayer May 2013 #38
What could be in the vapor? ohheckyeah May 2013 #79
Stay Clear Of Restaurants Then... KharmaTrain May 2013 #108
They sued because they did not want to be a smoking cessation product. jeff47 May 2013 #89
AND because they didn't want to have to provide the safety research pnwmom May 2013 #92
Its important to note... beevul May 2013 #194
If they WANTED to provide the safety research pnwmom May 2013 #247
Except time. beevul May 2013 #263
The lawsuit was four years ago, and the products were already in existence then for years. pnwmom May 2013 #266
Once again, you show everyone whos reading that you know nothing... beevul May 2013 #333
You are demonstrating your ignorance of the difference between measuring pnwmom May 2013 #341
can you say Tyhanna May 2013 #344
It isn't that "nobody wants to look at these studies." pnwmom May 2013 #347
I already linked you one. beevul May 2013 #346
Why don't you or someone else send it to the FDA? pnwmom May 2013 #348
LOL@"multi-billion dollar industry". beevul May 2013 #352
How do you know? Tyhanna May 2013 #353
no doubt you are correct jamiea99 May 2013 #371
"...they're regulated." With "second-hand smoking" laws? Explain. Eleanors38 May 2013 #102
No -- nicotine patches are regulated by the FDA pnwmom May 2013 #105
No. Current law regarding use is through secondhand smoke. Eleanors38 May 2013 #135
kind of but not quite jamiea99 May 2013 #372
it was illegally confiscated Tyhanna Jun 2013 #381
Second time Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #243
I hope not, since I just switched over two weeks ago.. opiate69 May 2013 #21
The insurance company is correct. They are legally classified as tobacco products pnwmom May 2013 #29
they make cartomizers for thc delivery now.. frylock May 2013 #23
e-doobies! Buns_of_Fire May 2013 #132
I can't imagine how they could justify banning them. It was second hand smoke that virgogal May 2013 #28
They classify themselves as tobacco products in order to avoid pnwmom May 2013 #31
i think they are regulated by the FDA Boom Sound 416 May 2013 #42
Tobacco products are not regulated by the FDA??? opiate69 May 2013 #56
If they were regulated the same as other products, they would be off the market. pnwmom May 2013 #60
I know I'm right. And you have been consistently wrong in this discussion. opiate69 May 2013 #63
Congratulations, Opiate!!! Mariana May 2013 #75
Thanks, Mariana! And yep ... it feels awesome! opiate69 May 2013 #150
good luck Boom Sound 416 May 2013 #84
Vapor can also be inhaled by non-smokers. pnwmom May 2013 #47
So we ban stuff that is not proven harmless? Quite a leap, there. Eleanors38 May 2013 #104
We are justified in banning public smoking of e-cigarettes pnwmom May 2013 #106
Yours is a declaration of danger until proven otherwise, Eleanors38 May 2013 #134
So I suppose you're also against the Environmental Protection Agency pnwmom May 2013 #156
No. The EPA makes its case on pollutants, THEN proceeds to regulate. Eleanors38 May 2013 #171
The EPA has already made the case on formaldehyde, for example, pnwmom May 2013 #172
Yeah...stuff from 09 when the industry was in its infancy...thats what I thought. beevul May 2013 #196
Nothing important has changed since 2009 except they've sold millions pnwmom May 2013 #202
And with a single post, you lose what illusion of credibility you had. beevul May 2013 #205
You've consistently refused to produce any links to any research pnwmom May 2013 #207
Uh huh. beevul May 2013 #216
Bully for you! I'm glad you found a safer product for your own use. pnwmom May 2013 #217
LOL. beevul May 2013 #220
No, the onus is not on me because it's already classified, by the manufacturer's choice, pnwmom May 2013 #222
ROFL. beevul May 2013 #227
ROFL. We ALREADY restrict tobacco products in public spaces. pnwmom May 2013 #229
No. beevul May 2013 #232
Not all Tyhanna May 2013 #284
From your own county ordinance: bighart May 2013 #240
The use of electronic smoking devices is prohibited in public and work places. pnwmom May 2013 #289
not in all places in the US Tyhanna May 2013 #292
True. We were out in front banning regular cigarettes in public and work spaces here pnwmom May 2013 #294
uggg Tyhanna May 2013 #298
It IS up to the FDA to approve them because the FDA regulates anything containing NICOTINE. pnwmom May 2013 #309
you still dont get that Tyhanna May 2013 #312
I wouldn't trust the regulatory agencies either. iemitsu May 2013 #339
I have no problem with vapers as long as they keep their vapors away from me. pnwmom May 2013 #340
Reading your county ordinance if I were to vape in a bar that were leased bighart May 2013 #365
wow from 2009 Tyhanna May 2013 #335
so you believe that gasp is truthful? Tyhanna May 2013 #338
You don't "smoke" an e-cigarette Cal Carpenter May 2013 #155
Whether the contaminants come in smoke or vapor is not important. pnwmom May 2013 #157
It is extremely important in the context Mariana May 2013 #158
No, because any ban can be written as simply as the one I posted above. pnwmom May 2013 #162
Why do you continue to lie, when your assertions have been proven wrong? opiate69 May 2013 #163
They supported the lawsuit of the manufacturer who sued the FDA pnwmom May 2013 #164
Still wrong... opiate69 May 2013 #168
No, I already posted the link so I'm not going to do it again, pnwmom May 2013 #169
Bans can be written that way, but most of them haven't been. Mariana May 2013 #179
Many of them apply to smoke and vapors. NJ for example. pnwmom May 2013 #183
where there is no fire there is no smoke, so hence you cant smoke something that doesnt smoke. Tyhanna May 2013 #305
E-Cigs take state cig tax revenue away. They dont like them ErikJ May 2013 #48
Why should they? They sued to be classified as tobacco products, pnwmom May 2013 #107
OMG. Tax the rich not the e-cigs! ErikJ May 2013 #109
But they aren't cigarettes Mariana May 2013 #116
They are legally now classified as tobacco products pnwmom May 2013 #117
Certainly they can be taxed. Mariana May 2013 #119
Many smoking bans DO apply to e-cigarettes. pnwmom May 2013 #120
Sure they do. Mariana May 2013 #123
Washington was one of the first states to have public smoking bans. pnwmom May 2013 #126
See, you have it backwards. beevul May 2013 #195
No, you do. Nicotine is already a regulated drug. That's been the case for decades. pnwmom May 2013 #307
you just dont get it Tyhanna May 2013 #311
I'm not questioning the legal power... beevul May 2013 #319
Nothing but " hokey biased justification" for selling these products has been offered up so far. pnwmom May 2013 #320
And here again, is the difference. beevul May 2013 #323
I'm not a libertarian, I'm a Democrat and a progressive. pnwmom May 2013 #326
interesting you think this... Tyhanna May 2013 #330
What the fuck does libertarian Democrat or progressive have to do with it? beevul May 2013 #331
how many times do I have to say this Tyhanna May 2013 #324
Every time someone posts a thread related to e-cigs Mariana May 2013 #336
You're right. beevul May 2013 #337
Thanks! Tyhanna May 2013 #345
FDA cant do that Tyhanna May 2013 #325
I really want to see someone challenge the legality of such laws. bighart May 2013 #144
Since the manufacturers have failed to provide safety data to the FDA pnwmom May 2013 #146
When "smoking" is legally defined as: bighart May 2013 #152
It all depends on how the ban is worded. No one has objected to it in my state. pnwmom May 2013 #165
smokeless tobacco is also tobacco products to Tyhanna May 2013 #306
Researchers at the University of California say they pose health risks. pnwmom May 2013 #50
In CA they label Ambulances as health risks The Straight Story May 2013 #51
Even Keyboards cause cancer: The Straight Story May 2013 #52
These researchers are pointing out that there are design flaws in the products pnwmom May 2013 #57
Are they worse than cars? The Straight Story May 2013 #62
LOL! Allow nicotine to "leak into the environment!" OMG! What, like a nuclear reactor leak? DevonRex May 2013 #65
I haven't switched the argument. This product is different. pnwmom May 2013 #72
For smokers they simply have to be safer than cigarettes. As far as secondhand DevonRex May 2013 #73
Formaldehyde is a carcinogen, and it has been found in the vapor pnwmom May 2013 #93
Who tested e-cigs vapor and found formaldehyde? ohheckyeah May 2013 #80
This pro-e cigarette researcher explains it. pnwmom May 2013 #100
Ahh yes, that study... beevul May 2013 #124
Yes, they're lower than cigarette smoke. That's great for the smoker pnwmom May 2013 #125
Like I said, two different standpoints. beevul May 2013 #130
Dont think you read this link at all. Tyhanna May 2013 #274
I read the whole thing and you're not understanding my point at all. pnwmom May 2013 #291
how many studies do you want done? Tyhanna May 2013 #293
I want whatever studies need to be done to comply with FDA regulations pnwmom May 2013 #295
what regulations?? Tyhanna May 2013 #299
Formaldehyde? Cite it. beevul May 2013 #87
The manufacturers are refusing to do the testing, pnwmom May 2013 #97
You keep saying that, and continue not to substantiate it. beevul May 2013 #110
No e-cigarette manufacturer has applied to the FDA for approval. pnwmom May 2013 #112
My that must have been heavy.... beevul May 2013 #114
The real question is which one of them has done the testing? pnwmom May 2013 #115
No. The real questions are... beevul May 2013 #121
My agenda is that I don't want to be exposed to your vaporized chemicals. pnwmom May 2013 #122
We proceed from two different standpoints. beevul May 2013 #129
See post 100 above. pnwmom May 2013 #101
I fill my own cartridges and LOL at how little juice I use in a day. tridim May 2013 #141
I think some of them just can't stand the idea Mariana May 2013 #145
you might want to read this before getting all scared Tyhanna May 2013 #315
This has been a big question. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #54
Depends on the wording of the statute. Deep13 May 2013 #58
Electric cigs don't produce smoke so they aren't ohheckyeah May 2013 #81
Exactly. Mariana May 2013 #85
Truly. ohheckyeah May 2013 #86
They're catering to the idiocy of some passengers Mariana May 2013 #96
So, not combusted, ergo, not smoke. Gotcha. nt Deep13 May 2013 #95
Vapor also gets into lungs and can also contain formaldehyde and other pnwmom May 2013 #127
Didn't say it was harmless. ... Deep13 May 2013 #151
Legally, there is no significant difference between "smoke" and "vapor." pnwmom May 2013 #290
wow just wow Tyhanna May 2013 #296
E-cigarettes HEAT chemicals and can produce formaldehyde and other toxins. pnwmom May 2013 #297
with asthma don't live in a big city then Tyhanna May 2013 #300
As you say, there is no place where an asthmatic person can live pnwmom May 2013 #310
hum Tyhanna May 2013 #314
very low trace quanitys of formaldehyde Tyhanna May 2013 #303
no formaldehyde was found Tyhanna May 2013 #308
The difference is the combustion. nt Deep13 May 2013 #317
So does carpet jberryhill May 2013 #252
True. But carpet doesn't have supporters claiming it will help stop smoking. n/t pnwmom May 2013 #255
No, but they're vaporizing formaldehyde and other substances pnwmom May 2013 #103
Can you explain why the nicotine inhalers which have been approved Live and Learn May 2013 #342
Of the e-cigs that have been studied, pnwmom May 2013 #350
you do realize.. Tyhanna May 2013 #354
You cannot prove that because no data has been submitted to the FDA showing that pnwmom May 2013 #358
around and around we go Tyhanna May 2013 #359
So, if ecigs were "researched" and given approval Live and Learn May 2013 #361
Just chuckles. beevul May 2013 #91
I would ban them. They are teaching kids it's okay to smoke graham4anything May 2013 #99
you would ban something that may help people quit smoking La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #140
I quit smoking in 1983 from one minute to the next. Just do it. graham4anything May 2013 #143
Cool story bro. NutmegYankee May 2013 #166
yes, because you are the only person in the world whose experience matters La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #173
This may not have ocured to you, but... beevul May 2013 #197
Only about 5% of smokers Tyhanna May 2013 #283
You left out genes. Research has shown that Live and Learn May 2013 #343
Perhaps, but have you ever tried to light up a carrot? Buns_of_Fire May 2013 #187
no its up to parents to teach their kids not to smoke and why not to n/t Tyhanna May 2013 #285
This is why I dip Recursion May 2013 #128
Not necessarily.... MADem May 2013 #133
And gross. n-t Logical May 2013 #177
Should be. I don't want to breathe in exhaled nicotine. cbdo2007 May 2013 #149
Well...try this (thought experiment only) and let me know what ya think The Straight Story May 2013 #154
That's great....but it's a different issue. cbdo2007 May 2013 #159
The core issue though is The Straight Story May 2013 #182
+1 nt Live and Learn May 2013 #360
I totally agree.. Tyhanna May 2013 #362
I don't want to breathe the Hydrogen, carbonyl sulphide, and hydrogen sulphide from it!!! yawnmaster May 2013 #161
Shouldn't. "Smoke" from e-cigs is little more than water vapor. backscatter712 May 2013 #170
just a few days ago the economist wrote an article about this La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #174
People who are really opposed to smoking Mariana May 2013 #184
There's no research out there that shows these products are helping people quit. pnwmom May 2013 #186
Is the only thing that will satisfy you research? beevul May 2013 #198
Even the manufacturers are not claiming that millions of people have quit pnwmom May 2013 #200
Do you know why they aren't? beevul May 2013 #201
Oh really? College students can't use these products? pnwmom May 2013 #203
Try to follow along, it isn't that hard. beevul May 2013 #206
Your vaping community is anecdotal evidence that does absolutely nothing pnwmom May 2013 #208
Read your own cite, and stop projecting obtuseness onto others. beevul May 2013 #209
The e-cig manufacturers got EXACTLY the court ruling that they sought. pnwmom May 2013 #214
Really? Studies? Tyhanna May 2013 #219
These companies are making LOTS of money. Their products aren't exactly cheap. pnwmom May 2013 #221
Who are these companies you speak of??? Tyhanna May 2013 #235
Welcome To DU... KharmaTrain May 2013 #237
You are perfectly right that they don't have to submit research pnwmom May 2013 #241
I have noticed e cigs being advertised on TV, something you can't do bighart May 2013 #366
Not a smoking cessation product Tyhanna May 2013 #213
You picked the wrong person to try that out on. pnwmom May 2013 #215
not sure what your looking for... Tyhanna May 2013 #223
What I'm looking for are the usual safety and effectiveness studies that companies pnwmom May 2013 #225
Its not classified as a drug delivery system... Tyhanna May 2013 #233
I have said over and over that they are classified as a tobacco product pnwmom May 2013 #244
Just because they are doesnt mean its right Tyhanna May 2013 #258
Thank you so much for such an informative and truegrit44 May 2013 #261
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #239
Is there nicotine in the exhaled vapor, and is it harmful? RedCappedBandit May 2013 #175
The manufacturers have not done the research to show what is in the vapor, pnwmom May 2013 #218
Research on air quality around vapers has. RESEARCH HERE! beevul May 2013 #224
Great. An actual study. So they should submit this and other required data pnwmom May 2013 #226
Things don't need a reason to be allowed in public. beevul May 2013 #230
Wrong. We have clean air laws that form the basis of the public bans. pnwmom May 2013 #231
Good grief. beevul May 2013 #234
No one's filed suit against these laws because a good attorney pnwmom May 2013 #236
No lol. beevul May 2013 #264
I posted what their OWN attorney said in the lawsuit: these devices are inherently dangerous. pnwmom May 2013 #265
NO link? of proof that this was said Id like to see this. Tyhanna May 2013 #268
I gave the link here at least twice but I'm not going to search for you. pnwmom May 2013 #270
Wrong! Tyhanna May 2013 #275
Of course it's regulated. Just because the products are sold over the counter pnwmom May 2013 #286
Any adult can Tyhanna May 2013 #302
Yes, any adult can buy nicotine -- but the SELLING of nicotine products is FDA regulated. pnwmom May 2013 #318
Nico-water Tyhanna May 2013 #322
I haven't said nicotine is "illegal" -- I've said that it is regulated. And that's a fact. n/t pnwmom May 2013 #327
NJGASP. Now theres an objective source. beevul May 2013 #321
That person quoted is the attorney for the e-cig manufacturers, pnwmom May 2013 #329
obsessive posting is unhealthy jamiea99 May 2013 #368
still havent found that link you said you put up. Tyhanna May 2013 #304
You keep saying that. Have you ever heard of google? It took me about 5 seconds. pnwmom May 2013 #374
read that again Tyhanna Jun 2013 #377
If it was "old news" why did you act as if you'd never heard of such a thing? pnwmom Jun 2013 #379
What difference does it make to you? You are a non-smoker Tyhanna Jun 2013 #380
just because.. Tyhanna Jun 2013 #382
you should read this Tyhanna May 2013 #316
A study ...... Tyhanna May 2013 #228
Chewing tobacco HockeyMom May 2013 #178
LOL. i do wonder how many people do every other thing that takes one to be healthy La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #185
People are mostly using them to quit. I say, let them be everywhere. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #210
As I said upthread Mariana May 2013 #249
I come from a generation that saw EVERYONE smoking.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #250
What kills me is the animosity toward Mariana May 2013 #253
"What kind of person tries to discourage someone from quitting?" Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #254
yes, they are a minority jamiea99 May 2013 #369
Yup gulliver May 2013 #349
I checked and it looks like it's cheaper than regular smokes too. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #356
I alerted a conductor on a train the other day of a guy trying to hide his. onehandle May 2013 #259
That guy was an asshole. Mariana May 2013 #260
I've also found discretion to be important. Buns_of_Fire May 2013 #273
My rig is black, too. Mariana May 2013 #276
Mine don't look anything like cigarettes union_maid May 2013 #279
It would be better for everyone Mariana May 2013 #281
You ought to see the looks I get with this... beevul May 2013 #334
Put it out? There is no fire or smoke how could you put it out? Tyhanna May 2013 #271
There are people who hate smokers so much Mariana May 2013 #277
Please include ordering information when advertising. nt onehandle May 2013 #278
Not sure what you mean there.. Tyhanna May 2013 #282
No one is condemning them, just use there where you used to smoke! Just... Logical May 2013 #351
we dont want to be around smokers Tyhanna May 2013 #355
For some people, it's about punishing smokers. Mariana May 2013 #357
Well, hopefully you will continue to need to stay away from non-smokers. n-t Logical May 2013 #363
why ? Tyhanna May 2013 #364
I think the locality has to specify union_maid May 2013 #272
That's true. My state defines smoking Mariana May 2013 #280
Right, it is false union_maid May 2013 #287
i wish that were the case jamiea99 May 2013 #373
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