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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
49. So are they small or large?
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:44 AM
Feb 2012

Your first paragraph talks about just how small the missiles are. They're tiny. Despite 30 years of technology, we couldn't possibly spot them!

Your last paragraph talks about just how huge they are. They'd leave a gigantic exit wound!!!

Pick one. The missile is either small or large.

Your links that you think shows we have missiles that travel at twice the speed of sound as they leave the silo actually show no such thing ...

My links were out of convenience to a popular site that isn't going to be blocked at most people's work. The fact that you don't know how fast Patriot and SM3 missiles fly doesn't bolster your position.

And again , when a shaped charge sends a piece of metal into a military transport does it just leave a small hole

Pressure waves from explosives that happen to be carrying shrapnel aren't the same as a dud missile.

implying a missile would leave a missile sized hole is absurd

I said roughly missile sized. It's not going to be an exact silhouette of the missile.

We're not talking about tiny fishing boats here. The smallest ships likely to be involved are destroyers, and they're 500 feet long. Carriers are 1000 feet long. The SS-N-22 is about 6 feet wide including the wings. Those wings aren't going to penetrate a damn thing, so now we're talking about something about 3 feet in diameter. Let's pretend that it magically creates a hole three times it's diameter. That's a whopping 9 foot hole. That's not going to sink any naval vessel. Especially because that hole is going to be well above the waterline.

Take a moment to think about this: If the missile's speed alone was enough to sink navy ships, why would the Russians bother to put a warhead on it at all? Warheads are expensive and heavy. If you don't need it, you don't put one on so your missile is cheaper, lighter and better-performing.

have you ever heard of a exit wound

You do realize ships aren't full of non-compressible liquid, right? Exit wounds happen in people because water doesn't compress, and we're mostly water. So the energy blows out into other areas. Ships are full of highly compressible air.
Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #1
Can't? No. Won't. TheWraith Feb 2012 #2
Sounds like we'd better hit them back first gratuitous Feb 2012 #3
Aegis and Phalanx CIWS has it covered. Indydem Feb 2012 #4
I seriously doubt they would try to sink a carrier after being attacked by the 'West' but I do Purveyor Feb 2012 #5
The Straits are 25 miles wide and the center channel is about 12 miles from Iran... Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #8
Wouldn't that place the missile launchers themselves in a confined, target-able space? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #51
I believe they are built on both fixed and mobile launch platforms - land based and sea based. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #53
They would be able to shoot once. jeff47 Feb 2012 #6
What he said. renie408 Feb 2012 #9
Another 'cakewalk', eh? The last one with Iraq worked so well, indeed. eom Purveyor Feb 2012 #10
This is a bombing, not an invasion jeff47 Feb 2012 #17
yes, see "shock and awe" as well as our bombing of laos.. frylock Feb 2012 #28
Once again, Bombing isn't invasion. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #31
can you provide me with a list of engagements, successful or not, that consisted of just bombing? frylock Feb 2012 #40
Bosnia Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #42
Bosnia, Libya in the 80's, Libya in the '10s jeff47 Feb 2012 #43
And it depends how the invasions are judged. stevenleser Feb 2012 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author stevenleser Feb 2012 #34
I would call dismantling a million man army in less than a month a fucking success. Muskypundit Feb 2012 #44
Iran has been working hard on anti-tank and anti-helicopter missiles FarCenter Feb 2012 #74
Just that easy, eh? Hugabear Feb 2012 #11
So in your mind, do mines magically teleport into the water? jeff47 Feb 2012 #16
Again - just that easy, eh? Hugabear Feb 2012 #18
So you honestly think no one would notice Iranian ships stopping thousands of times jeff47 Feb 2012 #23
Doesn't "just that easy" snark play equally against Iran? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #52
Simply not true surfdog Feb 2012 #14
It also assumes that all the missile sites are stationary Hugabear Feb 2012 #15
Link? jeff47 Feb 2012 #20
Are you saying that Iran does not have ANY mobile anti-ship missiles? Hugabear Feb 2012 #25
Wait a minute here. jeff47 Feb 2012 #29
That's good to hear. Seems like the coming Iran War should be a relative cakewalk Hugabear Feb 2012 #32
Try actually paying attention to what I'm saying jeff47 Feb 2012 #38
Thank-you! Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #56
So....many....errors..... jeff47 Feb 2012 #19
DO NOT BRING FACTS INTO THIS! Indydem Feb 2012 #22
A few problems with your post surfdog Feb 2012 #33
Keep digging! jeff47 Feb 2012 #37
You seem a bit confused surfdog Feb 2012 #45
So are they small or large? jeff47 Feb 2012 #49
Your physics is lacking ....... oldhippie Feb 2012 #39
Checkmate surfdog Feb 2012 #47
You're replying to a different person. jeff47 Feb 2012 #50
Get a clue already surfdog Feb 2012 #57
Again, so much wrong jeff47 Feb 2012 #67
Thanks, surfdog, you have just proved ....... oldhippie Feb 2012 #61
And begging you now surfdog Feb 2012 #62
Wikipedia is your friend ..... oldhippie Feb 2012 #63
So let me get this straight surfdog Feb 2012 #64
Do you even realize surfdog Feb 2012 #65
He linked the two different kinds of anti-tank weapons to show you the difference jeff47 Feb 2012 #68
Perhaps you can answer the question surfdog Feb 2012 #70
Yes. That's how it's different from a KE weapon. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #72
From his own link surfdog Feb 2012 #71
No, it doesn't. There's no projectile. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #73
I've tried to verify but I do remember reading that Iran has 1000's of various missiles Purveyor Feb 2012 #21
And after the first missile is fired, we will be dropping 10s of thousands of bombs. jeff47 Feb 2012 #26
Maybe. Maybe not. krispos42 Feb 2012 #58
reminds me of the buildup to attacking iraq....fear works spanone Feb 2012 #7
Translation: Give more money to the MIC or the bogeyman will eat you. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #12
Sunburn missles? We can spray them with Coppertone lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #13
And the 'silkworms', well we can just make pretty, pretty scarfs out of them all. eom Purveyor Feb 2012 #24
For the interested. The following link will produce all headlines on DU2 & 3 related to Purveyor Feb 2012 #27
Every weapons platform Iran has that could be a threat to an American asset is being monitored stevenleser Feb 2012 #35
missile strikes on any US ship would lead to air strikes on Iranian missile sights Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #36
The drift of this story is the Iranians don't need no missile sites for the Sunburns Brother Buzz Feb 2012 #41
There is no credible reports of Iran having Sunburns. hack89 Feb 2012 #46
And Isreal claims... surfdog Feb 2012 #59
But we have actual evidence of Israeli nukes hack89 Feb 2012 #60
How about the Yakhonts missile? FarCenter Feb 2012 #75
There is no evidence that they have those either. hack89 Feb 2012 #77
Why would any country sell weapons to another country? ronnie624 Feb 2012 #79
Let them close it... UAE has and KSA have pipelines to bypass it... JCMach1 Feb 2012 #48
It's Iran's 2,000 NAVAL MINES, ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #54
Iran isn't going to preemtively attack anyone. ronnie624 Feb 2012 #55
I wish that was going true, but that may not be the case. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #76
All we have to go on is Iran's history, ronnie624 Feb 2012 #78
Sadly, that history stopped in 1979. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #80
To close the straight? They don't need them. Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #66
Rumsfeld war gamed this scenario--and Lost Hawkowl Feb 2012 #69
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