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Mon May 6, 2013, 11:43 PM

Bobbie Jo (14,332 posts)

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Why Hasn't The American Left Convinced More Americans To Vote For More Progressive Candidates? [View all]	Yavin4	May 2013	OP
Well, between the "lone nuts" and the private plane "accidents," it seems progressives aren't	villager	May 2013	#1
dingdingdingdingding! n/t	mattclearing	May 2013	#69
THIS.	HughBeaumont	May 2013	#100
This message was self-deleted by its author	devilgrrl	May 2013	#236
I think the assassinations of the '60s broke the left's back	deutsey	May 2013	#104
So, um, this "COINTELPRO" thing...	Kurovski	Mar 2014	#268
Because progressives have been too busy attacking insufficiently-progressive fellow-travelers	Recursion	May 2013	#2
Pretty much.	joshcryer	May 2013	#25
Nailed it in post #2	Number23	May 2013	#55
Sure seems that way.	DCBob	May 2013	#64
Absolutely!!!!!!!!!	LeftInTX	May 2013	#79
Bingo!	BlueCaliDem	May 2013	#66
This (nt)	LostOne4Ever	May 2013	#67
There it is.	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#71
Actually it's because so many "Dems" have embraced	Doctor_J	May 2013	#75
It is the very type of disingenuous bullshit that you just posted that pushes so called progressives	bluestate10	May 2013	#164
If we abuse traditional Democrats, liberals and progressives enough...	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#233
Bingo.	MotherPetrie	May 2013	#251
Exactly....	Historic NY	May 2013	#78
That doesnt even make any sense. What have the centrists done but compromise with Republicans? nm	rhett o rick	May 2013	#84
No, it doesn't make sense.	Marr	May 2013	#85
What doesn't make sense about what he said?	Number23	May 2013	#89
Hurt my feelings? Your giving yourselves way too much credit. Disparaging the left is a game to you.	rhett o rick	May 2013	#94
I wasn't even talking you. My response was to Mar	Number23	May 2013	#98
" your lofty and mostly laughable ideals". Explain which ideals you think are "lofty and laughable."	rhett o rick	May 2013	#99
Um, looks like you need	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#120
Your post is very clearly stated.	rhett o rick	May 2013	#134
You seem confused	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#143
LoL. Whatever.	rhett o rick	May 2013	#147
Seriously?	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#148
When you run out of decent discussion, just start ridiculing. nm	rhett o rick	May 2013	#149
When you can't admit	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#150
Not just wrong. Clueless and wrong. And he knows it.	Number23	May 2013	#154
He asked you to elaborate.	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#203
That poster is doing bad enough without having you as his spokesman	Number23	May 2013	#207
No elaboration forthcoming	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#222
Post removed	Post removed	May 2013	#225
I don't think it's possible for you to have misread/misunderstood more than you have	Number23	May 2013	#156
You will get no answer to this.	woo me with science	May 2013	#123
I have done this dance dozens of times* and yet to get one response to the question,	rhett o rick	May 2013	#135
You and the poster you're responding to are symptomatic of exactly the kind of crap	Number23	May 2013	#157
It's the same fifteen sycophants every time.	Marr	May 2013	#234
As you know	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#244
Yes, it's a big conspiracy against you and all your friends.	Marr	May 2013	#245
lol	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#246
Now this is what we call projection.	Marr	May 2013	#248
Sorry	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#249
Alright then-- I hope your alternate universe is having nice weather today.	Marr	May 2013	#250
How brave of you. You didn't address her until 10 minutes after she was locked out...	Tarheel_Dem	May 2013	#253
Oh, god-- you, too now?	Marr	May 2013	#254
The "trees" are full of you guys. Ask one of them.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2013	#255
LMAO	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#258
I've noticed you BOG-sorts behave like a highschool clique.	Marr	May 2013	#259
Not that accuracy seems to matter	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#260
...	Marr	May 2013	#261
...	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#262
HOW CAN LIBERALS REACH AMERICANS??	Number23	May 2013	#153
Sorry im new here	LostOne4Ever	May 2013	#175
Right?	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#177
Cept no citations	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#181
The truth will set you free. Or maybe not...	Number23	May 2013	#183
And to those who backed & pushed FDR I say thank you.	raouldukelives	May 2013	#178
"Backing" is the operative word here in your "backing and pushing" phrase	Number23	May 2013	#184
Absolute made up nonsense.	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#180
Why the hell would I make something up that is easily verified by a five second search	Number23	May 2013	#182
Revisionist puff pieces	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#185
Denial is a deep, DEEP thing to come out of...	Number23	May 2013	#186
You have offered nothing to back your claims	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#196
Father Coughin was a LIBERAL	Number23	May 2013	#206
Father Coughlin was pro Hitler	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#221
Oh God. You have lost it. You don't think that there liberals that are anti-Semitic?	Number23	May 2013	#223
Naziism/Fascism are the extremes of the right	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#240
You ask for links	LostOne4Ever	May 2013	#187
Inigo Montoya!	Number23	May 2013	#189
Honestly	LostOne4Ever	May 2013	#190
You pounce on a figure of speech, but offer no evidence	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#197
More Confirmation Bias	LostOne4Ever	May 2013	#219
Nice list of 'liberals' you have there lol	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#224
Hey, when someone says that a journalist can't be a liberal	Number23	May 2013	#226
Agreed	LostOne4Ever	May 2013	#227
I think that's what they call, in the real world, a hella smackdown!!!!	Tarheel_Dem	May 2013	#231
I'm really surprised at how many people don't know this part of FDR history. I thought it was	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#264
+1,000	freshwest	Mar 2014	#267
There are probably lots of reasons.	JDPriestly	May 2013	#235
Well, at least one "left-wing" candidate that I know of,	Art_from_Ark	May 2013	#166
That sucks. Do you think that the "left wing" candidate would have won?	Number23	May 2013	#168
The "left-wing" candidate, Bill Halter, forced a run-off in the primary	Art_from_Ark	May 2013	#170
Sorry I'm just seeing this!	Number23	May 2013	#208
Note I put "left-wing" in quotes	Art_from_Ark	May 2013	#239
Bill Clinton supported Blanche Lincoln, too, and campaigned vigorously for her.	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#265
Exhibit "B"	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#93
Exhibit "A"	Bobbie Jo	May 2013	#92
And since "centrism" is really just another name for a current version of Republincanism	villager	May 2013	#117
When the Repub Party started to go off the rails, many started to slither under our tent.	rhett o rick	May 2013	#136
Centrists and moderate-liberals have been responsible for 100% of the progress that has taken	bluestate10	May 2013	#165
Ok, so tell me what issues the left espouses that you dont agree with.	rhett o rick	May 2013	#172
You know, the "lofty and laughable ideals".	Marr	May 2013	#201
That's a non-sequitur:	cprise	May 2013	#91
Brilliant!! The Left enjoyed a lot of victories in the 1960's, but when Johnson declared that	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#109
Government was 'taken away' from whites by the civil rights movement	cprise	May 2013	#241
Good post	Fumesucker	May 2013	#243
That's the answer. nt	sibelian	May 2013	#96
dingdingdingdingding! n/t	SidDithers	May 2013	#102
Exactly.	HappyMe	May 2013	#108
because the rightist apparatchiks control the apparatus; same reason that for the last 50 years	HiPointDem	May 2013	#125
It is always easier to blame "them", or use terms that every day people understand, but	bluestate10	May 2013	#167
who should i blame but the guilty? and ps: i'm an everyday person too.	HiPointDem	May 2013	#179
Heh!	Scurrilous	May 2013	#131
Hey! It's not their fault people don't appreciate being "corrected"	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#133
Yep. Losing sight of the REAL problem.	CakeGrrl	May 2013	#242
Rhetoric.	jazzimov	May 2013	#3
I agree very much with this...	nenagh	May 2013	#106
I sometimes wonder if we're too late. The media is now controlled by corporations. Even the local	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#111
If they had the same access to money...	burnodo	May 2013	#4
And the media.	truebluegreen	May 2013	#14
There's a reason they don't. The people who shell out the most $$ for elections	winter is coming	May 2013	#77
In the long path of human beings, money over the longterm has never beaten conviction and	bluestate10	May 2013	#169
Who claimed that money surely wins?	burnodo	May 2013	#176
Like who?	geckosfeet	May 2013	#5
We have the DEM Party fighting against us, too. It's not just the GOP, y'know.	blkmusclmachine	May 2013	#6
So, The Dem party is stopping you from talking to your fellow Americans	Yavin4	May 2013	#10
Reason and logic have no place in this country anymore.	Brigid	May 2013	#21
Yes, our access to national platforms is exactly the same as any pro-corporate politicians is!	villager	May 2013	#30
No, the Democratic Party is stopping him from having progressive candidates for whom to vote.	Egalitarian Thug	May 2013	#247
We have in CA.	Starry Messenger	May 2013	#7
That's One State. There are Others	Yavin4	May 2013	#8
One of the largest-just saying, it's not some pipe dream.	Starry Messenger	May 2013	#11
Congrats on that, but it's still not enough	Yavin4	May 2013	#13
Why ask then?	Starry Messenger	May 2013	#17
The OP is from Canada	Rex	May 2013	#28
I thought he lived in New York for some reason.	Starry Messenger	May 2013	#40
He does, that was evidently another person with the same name on DU2.	Rex	May 2013	#44
I think that it is the suggestion that they are lazy	treestar	May 2013	#50
Well, we've asked the OP what he is doing. So far, crickets.	Starry Messenger	May 2013	#52
None of us can prove anything here other than that we post on DU	treestar	May 2013	#57
Well, then this seems more like a meta OP.	Starry Messenger	May 2013	#60
I "slammed" people? All I did was ask a question.	Yavin4	May 2013	#140
If you'd actually been interested in answers to that, we could have discussed it.	Starry Messenger	May 2013	#144
Those are all your own interpretations	Yavin4	May 2013	#145
And that seems enough for many: You aren't a prog if I don't see posts in "______."	Eleanors38	May 2013	#110
Did I use the term "lazy" in my OP? n/t	Yavin4	May 2013	#139
Oregon provides you with 2 Democratic Senators, 4 out of 5 House members	Bluenorthwest	May 2013	#29
I'm from NY	Yavin4	May 2013	#32
It's because the Democratic Party sold its soul to Wall Street decades ago.	alarimer	May 2013	#9
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. nt	truebluegreen	May 2013	#15
This is what I would say also......	socialist_n_TN	May 2013	#65
Progressives generally don't get party backing and funding in America.	leveymg	May 2013	#12
Why do you need funding to convince your fellow Americans to vote for progressives?	Yavin4	May 2013	#16
That was then, this is now.	Rex	May 2013	#24
They weren't up for voting for they were busying working to get legislation passed	KoKo	May 2013	#80
Because the Party doesn't support True Progressives when they have a Blue Dog	KoKo	May 2013	#82
that depends on the district	tabbycat31	May 2013	#19
This is all the more reason to run as a Blue Dog...	joshcryer	May 2013	#26
that could be a possibility	tabbycat31	May 2013	#38
So did your candidates win or lose?	Bluenorthwest	May 2013	#45
I'm batting 500	tabbycat31	May 2013	#49
Why is that a bad thing?	Occulus	May 2013	#63
Last week, I told the story of Representative Donna Edwards. For years she ran against a Blue Dog	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#112
So of the 4 Blue Doggy Dogs you have worked for how many have won?	Bluenorthwest	May 2013	#41
2	tabbycat31	May 2013	#48
they do	Enrique	May 2013	#18
It boils down to race, and profit	matt819	May 2013	#20
AMEN!! RACE has always been the undergird of American politics. We see this today	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#113
this is so simplistic	cali	May 2013	#22
Because America votes for whoever the PTB decides will run for office.	Rex	May 2013	#23
So, Based on most of the posts on my thread, it's a lost cause	Yavin4	May 2013	#27
No you are skipping over the reason and cherry picking your result.	Rex	May 2013	#31
I dunno. I'm not from Canada. n/t	Yavin4	May 2013	#34
My apologies then, it must have been another Yavin on DU2	Rex	May 2013	#37
Then where are you from, because you speak of Americans as if we were separate from precious	Bluenorthwest	May 2013	#43
You do.	treestar	May 2013	#47
It costs money to buy air time.	Octafish	May 2013	#33
So, there's no hope then.	Yavin4	May 2013	#36
It is about money, do you understand that?	Rex	May 2013	#39
If enough Americans were persuaded they could donate the money	treestar	May 2013	#46
There are a few here trying to define it as 'there is nothing we can do'	Rex	May 2013	#51
They complain of being hated, but the reason is they are the ones	treestar	May 2013	#53
The GOP is lucky that the other party likes to hate on itself.	Rex	May 2013	#56
The reality is that things are getting worse consistently for the last 40 years for the 99%.	rhett o rick	May 2013	#161
Edit-- responded to the wrong post.	Marr	May 2013	#86
Honestly, we liberals need to stop bashing center-left or moderately liberal Democrats.	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#114
+1	Jamaal510	May 2013	#217
There's always hope. We can use the Internets and the public spaces of our communities.	Octafish	May 2013	#42
It's not that there's no hope...	Hippo_Tron	May 2013	#61
Because they are shut out of the American propaganda machine.	LWolf	May 2013	#35
There is truth in this ^^^	Eleanors38	May 2013	#116
True - how often do you see a true liberal on the Sunday morning talk shows?	NewJeffCT	May 2013	#132
on many social issues incredible advancements have been made. But on economic issues things have	Douglas Carpenter	May 2013	#54
the left havent whored themselves like the center or right	Rise Rebel Resist	May 2013	#58
Because we don't have a lot of money	Hippo_Tron	May 2013	#59
Corporations control the major media?	limpyhobbler	May 2013	#62
+100 did not watch the videos but corporate media plays ...	slipslidingaway	May 2013	#68
Six corporations control 98% of the media	nadinbrzezinski	May 2013	#70
Things aren't bad enough yet	steve2470	May 2013	#72
We need to be a Liberal Stalwart like your brother and NEVER give up! The wingnuts never give up!	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#115
Your brother is probably right. As long as the hologram of prosperity (cheap consumer goods)	Eleanors38	May 2013	#118
Co-opted by the "Not as Bad" party with the issues watered down to useless.	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2013	#73
No media access	Doctor_J	May 2013	#74
because they are conditioned to like flash over substance	Skittles	May 2013	#76
'Cause the American Left	Dyedinthewoolliberal	May 2013	#81
"Well done is better than well said" - Ben Franklin	MannyGoldstein	May 2013	#83
The Progressive Caucus is the largest in Washington.	HooptieWagon	May 2013	#87
A great question but I think you need to take it one step at a time.	hughee99	May 2013	#88
Over 18,000 posts and you don't know? Really? nt	Zorra	May 2013	#90
Suiciding, accidenting, overdosing, Reserve Army of Lone Gunmen, & Media Fear n' Disruption machine	dogknob	May 2013	#95
It sounds like you accept the notion that we have a far right party and a center right party.	Marr	May 2013	#97
Well, for this post anyway. Third Way messaging demands the same sort of mental contortions	woo me with science	May 2013	#122
Exactly-- shifting excuses.	Marr	May 2013	#126
That's your interpretation of what I asked	Yavin4	May 2013	#142
It naturally follows from your point. /nt	Marr	May 2013	#202
Everyone with money and power scales centrist to batshit-insane right wing-ding.	HughBeaumont	May 2013	#101
It is the money, honey.	djean111	May 2013	#103
+10000	YoungDemCA	May 2013	#257
I agree! We have failed miserably in terms of messaging. And when we lose battles we tend to	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#105
THREAD. WINNER. Thank you for your HONESTY.	Number23	May 2013	#162
But you think the goals of liberals are "lofty and laughable".	Marr	May 2013	#204
Oh, so you DID see my post to you!	Number23	May 2013	#209
You act like you think you posted some kind of clever argument.	Marr	May 2013	#212
And you act as though you've posted something honest or even remotely relevant	Number23	May 2013	#215
^^^^ This!!! ^^^^	Tarheel_Dem	May 2013	#263
nanny-statism	Puzzledtraveller	May 2013	#107
AKA corporate welfare	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#200
Let Me Guess.....CUZ OBAMA!!!!!!!	Skraxx	May 2013	#119
The whiny center-right	AgingAmerican	May 2013	#199
What snide, disingenuous Third Way propaganda this is.	woo me with science	May 2013	#121
Well and truly said. Thank you. (n/t)	djean111	May 2013	#124
I have a question for you.	Yavin4	May 2013	#127
Could it be a little of this, a little of that?	limpyhobbler	May 2013	#129
Unfortunately, skilled, smooth talking, charismatic corporate sponsored politicians	Zorra	May 2013	#130
So, the people are "too gullible" to see through the mass media	Yavin4	May 2013	#138
Yes, you have that correct. The system is controlled by wealthy private interests.	Zorra	May 2013	#174
AWESOME questions. AWESOME	Number23	May 2013	#160
snap ~ Thread win. You are awesome real, woo.	Zorra	May 2013	#128
Bravo! Bravo! You have totally and awesomely hit the nail on the head!	scarletwoman	May 2013	#159
The mainstream party sabotages them, and the corporate press and media deny them publicity	Lydia Leftcoast	May 2013	#137
Okay. How does the Left counter that then?	Yavin4	May 2013	#141
Guerrilla marketing	Lydia Leftcoast	May 2013	#173
Weak candidates.	morningfog	May 2013	#146
Gerrymandering	dem in texas	May 2013	#151
The silly protesters taking down LBJ gave us everything bad and in fact,made the war go on longer	graham4anything	May 2013	#152
The "American left" is not blameless...	kentuck	May 2013	#155
Too much emphasis on gun control	derby378	May 2013	#158
Because......	Hotler	May 2013	#163
Because it takes some intelligence to vote for progressive candidates.	Zoeisright	May 2013	#171
Yeah! Stupid Voters! That's a good way to appeal to 45% of the electorate!	brooklynite	May 2013	#192
It's time for truth. Conservatives and conservatism are bad for children.	Zorra	May 2013	#198
Those people who represent today's political Right are not true conservatives.	Jamaal510	May 2013	#218
But who is/was a true conservative? Strom Thurmond? Ronald Reagan? Jesse Helms?	Zorra	May 2013	#220
It's the old Adlai Stevenson joke	Nevernose	May 2013	#228
there is no organized american left. there's a bunch of front groups associated with the demo-	HiPointDem	May 2013	#188
...because Americans aren't, by and large, progressive.	brooklynite	May 2013	#191
That requires a sustained effort that offers people positive choices using positive language.	stevenleser	May 2013	#193
IOW, We Have To Be More Likeable. If people don't like you, then they turn off to you.	Yavin4	May 2013	#194
Not exactly. The message has to be a positive one, not necessarily the folks saying it.	stevenleser	May 2013	#195
Very nicely said, Steven. And as has been pointed out, Exhibits A-Z of exactly what	Number23	May 2013	#211
Because the AMERICAN RIGHT owns the media.	Atman	May 2013	#205
We're too busy talking down to red states	Prism	May 2013	#210
all politicians want to win. All politicians are convinced their constituents are far more	librechik	May 2013	#213
Two reasons, I think	Spike89	May 2013	#214
The responses to this thread have been illuminating. Thanks for posting it	Number23	May 2013	#216
Thank you, my love. You ain't too shabby yourself!!	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2013	#266
Most people don't believe anything unless	Warpy	May 2013	#229
I also agree this was a great thread.	LeftInTX	May 2013	#230
Because racism trumps everything. nt	aaaaaa5a	May 2013	#232
The average opinion of those on the right	fujiyama	May 2013	#237
THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS IS THE LARGEST DEM CAUCUS IN CONGRESS!	grahamhgreen	May 2013	#238
It is the Democratic party that has the most say on who runs.	Agnosticsherbet	May 2013	#252
A better question would be: Why has the Democratic Party attacked, bullied, mocked, and ridiculed...	YoungDemCA	May 2013	#256

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