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whathehell

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135. In part, yes, but also because
Sun May 5, 2013, 08:02 AM
May 2013

of New Deal policies, a very healthy manufacturing base and high levels of unionization.

I'd have to disagree with you regarding the overall situation of factory workers' in 1955

My father, in 1955, worked in a sugar refinery in Philadelphia. They were unionized

and he did quite well for a man who, because of the Great Depression, wasn't even

wasn't even able to finish high school, despite earning a scholarship to a private high school.

In the Nineteen Sixties, this country had the largest middle class in the world, as well as the

highest number of college graduates....Part of that was because Europe was still coming out

of its post war slump, yes, but there were other factors, such as the ones mentioned.

It's a bleak day when health care is considered leftist. rug May 2013 #1
that's the fabulous Overton Window--it doesn't just have acceptable margins, but also a neat little MisterP May 2013 #27
You have that right. Owl May 2013 #43
Yes it is nt Progressive dog May 2013 #77
? child labor laws, child protective services, workplace safety, living wage, employee bargaining, merrily May 2013 #112
Because everyone gets sick. It's a human issue. rug May 2013 #211
All the issues I mentioned are human issues. They still all have been considered left issues. merrily May 2013 #212
And that's the nub of it. rug May 2013 #215
As I posted downthread, if you minimize or dismiss the left, then you can easily minimize any merrily May 2013 #218
promoting the interests of poor and working class interests.... tomp May 2013 #266
Do you know the original refrain of The Internationale? rug May 2013 #268
Healthier people would be worse off, sicker people would be better off Recursion May 2013 #2
It's not a zero-sum game. Lasher May 2013 #4
No it isn't Progressive dog May 2013 #79
so it *is* a zero sum game. HiPointDem May 2013 #105
It doesn't *need* to be, but as I'm reading this proposal it is Recursion May 2013 #192
And if we had a government that cared about the people, rather than private Corporations, we sabrina 1 May 2013 #189
For profit education, healthcare, retirement and prisons abelenkpe May 2013 #201
There is nothing Obama won't do to appease Republicans. I expect by 2016 forestpath May 2013 #3
Sometimes I think he might as well wear red! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #5
Well, that is the Republican party's color. forestpath May 2013 #7
Good point! Some days I wonder ... I'm really getting fed up with it all ... a no win situation. n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #9
Party names are rapidly becoming irrelevant. merrily May 2013 #116
Same product, sulphurdunn May 2013 #161
Sadly, though, it works. merrily May 2013 #164
I know how you feel. sulphurdunn May 2013 #171
I did as well, and donated more than I could afford, too, but, as Obama said, merrily May 2013 #173
Yes, what a fool. randome May 2013 #191
I could respond to each of those points, which are not as portray them. merrily May 2013 #200
'Tis you who have no facts. randome May 2013 #206
If you want to go in circles by repeating stuff that made no sense the first time, you are on your merrily May 2013 #209
What landmark legislation? sulphurdunn May 2013 #264
That's like saying sulphurdunn May 2013 #257
They didn't control it enough to stop filibusters. randome May 2013 #263
It's cute that you think the government of the most powerful country on the planet runs like a Marr May 2013 #269
Sure. I agree, sulphurdunn May 2013 #270
+1 CrispyQ May 2013 #221
It comes of the system we have Scootaloo May 2013 #275
He did, in the '80s. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #84
Are you referencing his comment that his policies would, in the 1980s, have been considered those of merrily May 2013 #115
He appeases them without getting anything in return CreekDog May 2013 #62
It is not a negotiation if it is what you want. nt tsuki May 2013 #71
+1000 blkmusclmachine May 2013 #85
+ 1,000,000 cantbeserious May 2013 #109
+1984 jsr May 2013 #184
+1000 GoneFishin May 2013 #220
Oh, he'll get plenty ($$$)in return - in his post-Presidential years! Divernan May 2013 #136
For the tremendous services rendered, his net worth will outrank Bill Clinton's jsr May 2013 #194
It's not the Republicans so much as the oligarchs that both parties work for. MrSlayer May 2013 #67
That's it in a nutshell---none of them really give a damn about us. virgogal May 2013 #76
Truth. (no text) Quantess May 2013 #107
I am glad we have a no move Teabagger Congress. I will be glad when Obama is gone. Katashi_itto May 2013 #110
Obama is a symptom, not a cause. merrily May 2013 #114
Agree, 3rd/DCCC way is killing us. Katashi_itto May 2013 #125
So is the DSCC. In fact, they are all killing us. merrily May 2013 #128
The groups infect us. I am not sure if it can be fixed really. Katashi_itto May 2013 #137
It can be fixed. Likelihood of that happening, however, is a different question. merrily May 2013 #139
Well, if it has a low likelihood of happening, its not a fixable thing. Katashi_itto May 2013 #141
Likelihood is relative. Impossiblity is absolute. merrily May 2013 #143
Oh no, I will keep voting, and am not going anywhere till I finish my Masters Katashi_itto May 2013 #163
Even after you leave the country, though, vote. merrily May 2013 #166
Pity, about her vote. No I plan on always voting. Katashi_itto May 2013 #177
Yeayyyy! merrily May 2013 #181
He promised entitlement reform before his first inauguration. merrily May 2013 #113
Ah yes, marginalizing concerns by dismissing them as from the "left." Warpy May 2013 #6
are you talking about the professional left? Phlem May 2013 #12
No, the drug taking left. merrily May 2013 #123
Eventually, a lot of politicians are going to find themselves part of a huge stir fry. Even the RKP5637 May 2013 #13
+1. HiPointDem May 2013 #106
In order to marginalize concerns by characterizing them as from the left, they first had to merrily May 2013 #119
The biggest mistake the dems made was backing away from the word 'liberal' CrispyQ May 2013 #223
Funny you should say that. merrily May 2013 #230
I've read it before & it's a beautiful speech. CrispyQ May 2013 #237
Yep. I hope you don't mind another anecdote, since you merrily May 2013 #244
Thanks for the link. Bookmarking to look at later. CrispyQ May 2013 #251
No need to look at the link unless you are curious. merrily May 2013 #253
Gotta pay for the Pentagon's release from the sequestration somehow! MotherPetrie May 2013 #8
Ugh... Phlem May 2013 #10
I'm even starting to question the moderate part. n/t A Simple Game May 2013 #20
I hear that! Phlem May 2013 #69
+1 --nt CrispyQ May 2013 #225
A world of delusion out there. earthside May 2013 #11
Frankly, they are only in touch with $$$$$ in USA, Inc., where each day people count less. This RKP5637 May 2013 #14
You got THAT right! nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #16
Thank God I grew up in what is now being called "America's Golden Era", whathehell May 2013 #74
In part, the post war years worked so well for Americans because merrily May 2013 #124
In part, yes, but also because whathehell May 2013 #135
I think you may have misunderstood. I never said people did not do well in 1955. merrily May 2013 #142
Well, actually, you said this: whathehell May 2013 #176
First, "not necessarily" were key words. Second, I said all three things merrily May 2013 #179
Gee..Hostile much? whathehell May 2013 #226
? I wasn't hostile at all. We're not communicating and I don't know why. merrily May 2013 #236
Unlike the others who responded to my post, you did seem defensive & then hostile to me, but, whathehell May 2013 #248
Well said! I grew up too with the same thoughts and RKP5637 May 2013 #140
Thanks...You know, I never thought I 'd be glad to be whathehell May 2013 #150
I consider myself to be one of the most fortunate human beings to ever have lived on this planet. CrispyQ May 2013 #229
Yep. whathehell May 2013 #233
I'm so disgusted with politics. CrispyQ May 2013 #228
I'm fed up with it too and I've lost respect for many of RKP5637 May 2013 #232
why does that chart stop at age 54? Skittles May 2013 #28
You really don't want to see the data for... paleotn May 2013 #262
"see millions and millions of 65-plus year old Americans in abject poverty... bvar22 May 2013 #44
Consider this scenario. sulphurdunn May 2013 #169
They don't care. Not one bit. CrispyQ May 2013 #235
Why not REPEAL the provision that prevents Medicare from negotiating drug prices? Honeycombe8 May 2013 #15
Because they are all owned by big pharma. pangaia May 2013 #19
Yep, none want to rock the boat of big $$$$$ flowing into big pharma. The whole RKP5637 May 2013 #22
Great idea but negotiation may not be possible after the Trans Pacific Partnership passes. pa28 May 2013 #23
Finally, some much needed laughter this morning! CrispyQ May 2013 #240
To the contrary, Medicare for all would be the best way of dealing with health care in this country. merrily May 2013 #129
Violation of chess rule jsr May 2013 #198
Okay...we expected better...but, the Sh*t hit's the fan once again........ KoKo May 2013 #17
It's The Hill, octoberlib.. they like to start shit. Cha May 2013 #18
What if the "shit" is true though. It often turns out to be...these days..doesn't it? KoKo May 2013 #56
I think you're right , Cha. octoberlib May 2013 #100
Congress does not seem responsive to our calls anymore. White House either. merrily May 2013 #117
And cue the rationalizers . . . markpkessinger May 2013 #21
you forgot "you're a known O hater" bbgrunt May 2013 #26
Oh, right -- "You never loved him" markpkessinger May 2013 #29
He's roping the dopes, emoprog! WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #33
That one, too! markpkessinger May 2013 #36
I can't wait for the Crap Blogs to be trotted out in defense. WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #47
Loving or liking him is required by law. tblue May 2013 #45
My personal favorite. Puglover May 2013 #183
see #25 Skittles May 2013 #30
LOL markpkessinger May 2013 #32
well.....yeah, I believe you are correct Skittles May 2013 #40
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #122
How could you forget, "would you rather have McCain, er check that, I mean Mittens?" nm rhett o rick May 2013 #37
How could I have forgotten that? markpkessinger May 2013 #41
You forgot, "You NEVER adored him!" Safetykitten May 2013 #38
Cue you to try and shut down discussion. This being a discussion board and all. Cha May 2013 #42
I'm not trying to shut down the discussion . . . markpkessinger May 2013 #54
Oh Mark, wickerwoman May 2013 #46
Oh, right. markpkessinger May 2013 #52
now "You're shutting down the discussion!" Union Scribe May 2013 #92
I'm not sure either, but I will endeavor so to do! markpkessinger May 2013 #94
Respectfully, rationalizers on message boards are not cutting OASDI or Medicare. merrily May 2013 #126
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. jsr May 2013 #187
You never really loved him!! QC May 2013 #213
It's been too, too long! pecwae May 2013 #259
Howdy! n/t QC May 2013 #260
This entire subthread reads like Bobbie Jo May 2013 #246
FAR to the right of Reagan Doctor_J May 2013 #24
I would pay attention to this ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #25
And, it's the Hill.. known to start shit in my experience.. and, of course, Cha May 2013 #39
+1 Raine1967 May 2013 #57
Again..."The Hill" catches a Buzz and more often than not what they buzz KoKo May 2013 #59
"Sources say..." "Leading activists say..." "Correspondents say..." randome May 2013 #50
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. OnyxCollie May 2013 #60
Ouch! randome May 2013 #131
That's enough for some. Let 'em rage.. maybe channel it into actually Cha May 2013 #63
Thank you 1StronBlackMan. defacto7 May 2013 #83
Is the proposal in writing? merrily May 2013 #130
Not only is it not in writing, it's year-old 'news'. randome May 2013 #132
If something is being "floated," I would not expect the details to have been worked out merrily May 2013 #134
Understood. randome May 2013 #154
No, I am not the one who pointed out there was no link. merrily May 2013 #157
And after more than 4 years, no cuts have been made. randome May 2013 #196
What part of my prior posts did you not understand? merrily May 2013 #199
Yeah, but you also insisted he'd never offer to cut Social Security. Marr May 2013 #216
Yup, this OP is the worst kind of drivel. gulliver May 2013 #238
And I wonder Why?- ruffburr May 2013 #31
Thank you -- superb rant! n/t markpkessinger May 2013 #34
They believe workers are peons tblue May 2013 #49
There Would Be A Cap? grilled onions May 2013 #35
I find it disturbing Savannahmann May 2013 #48
Is there to be NO acknowledgment by Obama/Congress of the recent complete discrediting of austerity? HomerRamone May 2013 #51
Austerity is not, in reality, about doing what's best for the 99% MannyGoldstein May 2013 #80
Sing it! merrily May 2013 #133
Not really. The Democratic Party is supposed to be the center party. limpyhobbler May 2013 #53
There's center and then there's center. merrily May 2013 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ May 2013 #243
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #55
I'm usually leary.... ReRe May 2013 #58
He has not changed boats. He has wanted all along to cut what he calls entitlements. merrily May 2013 #152
Finally, the Republicans will know they can trust us MannyGoldstein May 2013 #61
It's just us left leaning Democrats who want octoberlib May 2013 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author loudsue May 2013 #64
Mr. Hope n' Change strikes again DerekG May 2013 #65
You don't know Phlem May 2013 #70
This is better? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #81
He didn't fool me; I voted for Jill Stein DerekG May 2013 #207
You don't know what would have happened if Romney had been elected. merrily May 2013 #155
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #66
You would think.... blackspade May 2013 #68
They were invited to buy our party. merrily May 2013 #160
I feel ill. AAO May 2013 #72
You better dig out your wallet, then. merrily May 2013 #162
Why do you say that? AAO May 2013 #202
If no one wants to pay much for treatment, being ill is going to cost everyone money. merrily May 2013 #204
You who need it most? He would scatter you to the four winds. "Fend for yourself." nt Poll_Blind May 2013 #73
It was also mentioned in the NYT on 3/28 octoberlib May 2013 #75
Thanks - I didn't see the NY Times article LeftInTX May 2013 #82
That's ok. I think your article was more current anyway. nt octoberlib May 2013 #101
"See! I can be a Republican too!" MannyGoldstein May 2013 #86
he wants them to want him Skittles May 2013 #91
He is simply being a New Democrat. merrily May 2013 #146
Today's democratic platform more closely resembles the republican platform of the 1950s, CrispyQ May 2013 #241
Well, merrily May 2013 #247
I found a few things. The second looks like it is from an insurance industry site. LeftInTX May 2013 #78
Another reason to invest in a long term care policy.... Historic NY May 2013 #88
That works for people who can afford it, have no pre-existing conditions and are younger. merrily May 2013 #172
The only elections BHO cared about are in the rearview mirror. Might as well let the real self out. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #87
Whoever has Obama's ear is harming him, us and our future. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #89
I'm thinking it's a different part of his anatomy that someone has ahold of. WinkyDink May 2013 #120
Ear schmear. Obama is not a puppet. merrily May 2013 #185
if Eric Cantor came up with the idea Enrique May 2013 #90
Is the precise way of tucking it to seniors, the disabled and the prematurely orphaned important? merrily May 2013 #188
another anti-Obama post. Quaintly noted. BTW, doctors make too much money for a 6 hour day. graham4anything May 2013 #93
"teachers should make more than doctors" = WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING?! WinkyDink May 2013 #121
who taught the doctor but his teacher graham4anything May 2013 #147
Also as a teacher how much was your whistler162 May 2013 #151
Old news that DIDN'T HAPPEN. jazzimov May 2013 #95
Please be cautious Summer Hathaway May 2013 #97
I wonder where this blogger from the Hill got her information. octoberlib May 2013 #99
Oh, those naughty senior advocates, trying to prevent something like this! merrily May 2013 #167
yes.. much ado about nothing. DCBob May 2013 #111
I remember when people used to say that about the absence of a public option from Obamacare. merrily May 2013 #168
not me. DCBob May 2013 #175
Never said you and it didn't have to be you for the point to be valid. merrily May 2013 #180
You expected a change in Medicare to become law in six weeks? merrily May 2013 #159
I did not vote (& work my ass off) for this shit! Faryn Balyncd May 2013 #96
Au contraire, that seems to be exactly what you did. merrily May 2013 #170
So can we steal the Tea Party "Hands off my medicare" sign? alp227 May 2013 #98
Lol. I think we better. nt octoberlib May 2013 #102
.... DeSwiss May 2013 #103
Reread reply #1. democrank May 2013 #108
What would be the POIINT of "Medicare," then? Does Obama want to sink Hillary? WinkyDink May 2013 #118
hillary? let`s worry about next year.... madrchsod May 2013 #127
I doubt it, but I sure hope someone sinks her. merrily May 2013 #174
I'm heaven05 May 2013 #144
JCoaS OKNancy May 2013 #145
tell heaven05 May 2013 #148
that isn't going anywhere either OKNancy May 2013 #149
i hope heaven05 May 2013 #153
I looked and Foxnation and the Hill are the only places where this is OKNancy May 2013 #165
Thanks. I appreciate your voice on this thread. nt SunSeeker May 2013 #186
'Beneficiaries 'pay something for Home Health Care'??? They DO, sadly since this entire sabrina 1 May 2013 #208
Please see Replies 188 and 159. merrily May 2013 #190
pish posh OKNancy May 2013 #203
Actually, that is exactly what it means. You can tell that if you read the entire article. merrily May 2013 #205
as I wrote... we will see OKNancy May 2013 #210
As my reply 159 states, damage has already been done. merrily May 2013 #224
It's unfortunate fredamae May 2013 #156
The assets of the nation and of individuals comprising the 99% are merrily May 2013 #193
I've grown to embrace fredamae May 2013 #217
"I wish for someone to prove I'm wrong." merrily May 2013 #222
At this juncture I can neither fredamae May 2013 #231
Thank you, fredamae. merrily May 2013 #250
Thank you as well-tho this fredamae May 2013 #258
I am not sure that I am what I've been waiting for, but I agree it will take work on our parts. merrily May 2013 #265
They can't.... paleotn May 2013 #245
Excellent post. CrispyQ May 2013 #249
We don't need to feel bad fredamae May 2013 #274
I'm leaning left sulphurdunn May 2013 #158
Well as long as we can keep those bases open in Germany ctsnowman May 2013 #178
Whatever happened to solving fiscal deficitis by RAISING TAXES? Octafish May 2013 #182
When corporate profits and corporate cash reserves are at an all-time low? jsr May 2013 #197
We need to flood the mail and phones. JNelson6563 May 2013 #195
Tell me the last time that worked to affect anyone's vote or the White House. merrily May 2013 #234
You can give up, I'm not. JNelson6563 May 2013 #261
I am not giving up, either. Just not wasting time on things that have been proven useless. merrily May 2013 #267
Not enough do to make it matter. JNelson6563 May 2013 #273
Privatizing Medicare pmorlan1 May 2013 #214
It's already happening. At my employer (a hospital no less) AllyCat May 2013 #219
The subsidies are substantial flamingdem May 2013 #242
That will not be us, even after management bends us over in bargaining. AllyCat May 2013 #271
I'd say keep researching, the plans are supposed to be online this month flamingdem May 2013 #272
"as a way to reduce the deficit" AgingAmerican May 2013 #227
No, it's been Obama's, the DLC's and the Blue Dog's ideology paleotn May 2013 #239
Why are we still spending millions on nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan? Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #252
This is how the elite siphon the Treasury. CrispyQ May 2013 #255
If it floats ThoughtCriminal May 2013 #254
This is what happens ProSense May 2013 #256
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