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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
69. It's your opinion, which seems to amount to that he was not as bad.
Sun May 5, 2013, 12:37 AM
May 2013

I don't really have a problem with that, as I said, but I don't really think we are really talking about the same thing here either, I did not say he was your typical 19th century racist for example, those are your words. You clearly don't want to see my point and I'm not really concerned whether you do or not, so why don't you carry on without me?

du rec. nt xchrom May 2013 #1
I don't know how anyone can see how working people Starry Messenger May 2013 #2
+1 newfie11 May 2013 #4
Krugman, 2008: Hoocoodanode, part a zillion Fumesucker May 2013 #3
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth May 2013 #5
sig line baldguy May 2013 #6
Ha! Ha! As has been said for 100 years, Charlie Whiskers made a lot of mistakes, but he got byeya May 2013 #7
Utterly ridiculous that people STILL believe this religious bullshit about a benevolent upper crust. HughBeaumont May 2013 #8
'The Pathology of Wealth' is how Michael Parenti labeled the phenom. Octafish May 2013 #15
Marx was not an idiot, unlike his few remaining admirers. gulliver May 2013 #9
Let's see if you can get past kindergarten level name-calling and specifically tell us which TBF May 2013 #10
The notion of an historical dialectic is discarded for a reason Recursion May 2013 #11
Yes, Marx never could disassociate his thoughts from Hegel. Fortunately, he was able to wall byeya May 2013 #16
blame that on Hegel not Marx. nashville_brook May 2013 #22
pray tell what is that reason? and pray define 'dialectic'. HiPointDem May 2013 #40
Because it presupposes a necessity in history Recursion May 2013 #45
i'm asking for *your* definition. HiPointDem May 2013 #47
Depends on the author I'm using it in context of Recursion May 2013 #50
the attempt of the other to hide its difference from the self, and the self's attempt HiPointDem May 2013 #51
Phenomenology: the manifestation is not the thing Recursion May 2013 #58
still not sure how it jibes with your remark about progress - & necessity. HiPointDem May 2013 #60
Well that's the needle to thread with Marx, isn't it? Recursion May 2013 #120
Ooofaaah alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #68
ha. cute Recursion May 2013 #83
I notice the OP channels Sarah Palin. gulliver May 2013 #14
how's that? HiPointDem May 2013 #41
Sarah Palin was channeling Dr. Phil JVS May 2013 #59
+1 graham4anything May 2013 #82
Kind of reminds me of people who used to cheer for an Iraq invasion and Marr May 2013 #20
Like Andrew Sullivan. closeupready May 2013 #49
care to elaborate rather than just throw stones. tomp May 2013 #12
Todays Marxists share much in common with Republicans gulliver May 2013 #17
more meaningless name-calling. you have no critique. HiPointDem May 2013 #42
i agree. nt tomp May 2013 #116
Marx was familiar with Babbage. Starry Messenger May 2013 #24
I think you are making my point. gulliver May 2013 #26
No, I'm not making your point. Starry Messenger May 2013 #27
Babbage himself didn't grasp it, only Ada Lovelace did Recursion May 2013 #37
I'm not talking about the programming, but the intended function and Babbage's economic theories Starry Messenger May 2013 #38
that person doesn't know anything about marx or even history. pretty obvious from his comments. HiPointDem May 2013 #43
That's kind of what I was thinking too......... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #52
I'm burning to post this, so I'll reply to you with it: Starry Messenger May 2013 #53
I don't get the 'marx couldn't have forseen computers' thing anyway. I don't see how computers HiPointDem May 2013 #93
I don't see it either, but I'm guessing that the claim might be something... JVS May 2013 #114
that makes sense. the 'we're all entrepreneurs now!' argument that accompanies the destruction HiPointDem May 2013 #122
I don't either, but more than one person has said it here. Starry Messenger May 2013 #115
Especially when we consider that for most people the computer is a consumer good, not a capital good JVS May 2013 #117
Hmmmm....makes me wonder how much you know about Marxism Taverner May 2013 #118
K & R ctsnowman May 2013 #13
Lenin was wrong, very wrong. Marx got a lot of stuff right. bemildred May 2013 #18
marx was racist? according to world net daily, free republic, and town hall. HiPointDem May 2013 #44
And his disparaging comments about the "negroid charactetistics" of some critics? Recursion May 2013 #46
1) check out those comments in the marx-engels archive & if you find them read the entire HiPointDem May 2013 #48
He was far from the worst, and not particularly overt about it. bemildred May 2013 #64
actually, he wasn't 'just as steeped in' those things at all, because someone who was steeped HiPointDem May 2013 #65
Yeah, yeah, you like Marx, I already got that. nt bemildred May 2013 #66
nothing to do with whether i 'like' marx. it's what the historical record shows. HiPointDem May 2013 #67
It's your opinion, which seems to amount to that he was not as bad. bemildred May 2013 #69
it's my opinion based on reading everything he wrote about race and every comment in his HiPointDem May 2013 #71
Good. nt bemildred May 2013 #72
ps: as for your comments about hegel: HiPointDem May 2013 #73
Yeah, yeah, you like the Gish Gallop too, I already noticed that. nt bemildred May 2013 #74
don;'t even know what gish gallop is. why so snarky? is it because you don't like to have HiPointDem May 2013 #75
Look it up. You got a lot of nerve accusing me of being snotty. nt bemildred May 2013 #103
You've been totally owned in this subthread. Democracyinkind May 2013 #84
sublimely owned datasuspect May 2013 #88
Oh good, another mind reader. nt bemildred May 2013 #97
Yeah, because "Marx was a racist" was not in your post, but your mind... Democracyinkind May 2013 #100
He was. That's an opinion too, yes? He has lots of flaws, just like anybody. nt bemildred May 2013 #102
He has? I guees you meant had. Democracyinkind May 2013 #104
HiPoint demonstrated poor reading skills and a propensity to think quantity beats quality. bemildred May 2013 #106
How many 19th century Democracyinkind May 2013 #107
You think that's what racism is? Who you let your kids marry? nt bemildred May 2013 #108
It's a part of it. Democracyinkind May 2013 #109
Indeed it is, it speaks well of him too, but it does not mean he is not a racist. nt bemildred May 2013 #112
it's not this person's opinion datasuspect May 2013 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author Democracyinkind May 2013 #90
Right. nt bemildred May 2013 #98
Which is a vast mountain of opinion and interepretation built on a molehill of fact. bemildred May 2013 #99
You're in for a "all history is opinion" treatment. Democracyinkind May 2013 #105
"all history is opinion" bemildred May 2013 #111
K&R. Overseas May 2013 #19
For the benefit of the few libdude May 2013 #21
+1. HiPointDem May 2013 #95
marx merely memorialized another method of control galileoreloaded May 2013 #23
please link me to the part in his work where he discusses this new system of control. HiPointDem May 2013 #32
lol. you have all you need. n/t galileoreloaded May 2013 #56
iow, you can't. HiPointDem May 2013 #62
got me! galileoreloaded May 2013 #63
yes, i know. to paraphrase yeats, one can't compete with the shameless. HiPointDem May 2013 #70
prefer Shopenhauer galileoreloaded May 2013 #113
ya sure you betcha HiPointDem May 2013 #123
Have you read Marx? Democracyinkind May 2013 #85
Well. since I've started REALLY analyzing everything..... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #25
Almost everything the Soviets said about Communism was a lie ThoughtCriminal May 2013 #28
This is very close to my thinking on Marx stevebreeze May 2013 #110
Underestimations all around Half-Century Man May 2013 #29
Per the Article, the Claim that Marx Was Mostly Wrong On the Road May 2013 #30
"Marx's ideas on how to build a government and run and economy." = which 'ideas' are those, HiPointDem May 2013 #31
To the Best of My Knowledge, Marx's Contribution in Those Areas On the Road May 2013 #33
thus he promoted few to no ideas about how to run a government or economy. HiPointDem May 2013 #34
If You're Arguing That Marx Had No Prescriptions On the Road May 2013 #35
"His positive comments on the role of merchants and industrialists in overthrowing monarchies" HiPointDem May 2013 #36
Perhaps the US today is a model of "Marxist government." David__77 May 2013 #77
good point. all those formerly revolutionary demands are now commonplace, thought of as HiPointDem May 2013 #94
So you're going to argue that capitalism could appease the working class...... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #54
K&R idwiyo May 2013 #39
Any system that is hanging on due to a sense of morality is bound to fail, as the human capacity... JVS May 2013 #55
Wow, I love your comparison. David__77 May 2013 #76
Marx was wrong about the worker's revolution. It's never happened and never will because they're too craigmatic May 2013 #57
oh i don't know....i think it was marx and engels' position that the revolution would be global HiPointDem May 2013 #61
when collapse happens what will reign will look galileoreloaded May 2013 #131
This is one of those threads where indeed, Marx's vocal words were 100% correct graham4anything May 2013 #78
you go, word-salad man!!!! HiPointDem May 2013 #79
You mock salad while drinking 48 ounce sugar drinks.Salads are wellness.Wellness saves money. graham4anything May 2013 #80
Here I come to save the daaaaaayyyyyyy! HiPointDem May 2013 #81
Nothing nice to say, nothing to say. Democracyinkind May 2013 #86
I am not an Ayn Rand or Rand Paul or Ron Paul fan. That's what Marx is.It don't work. graham4anything May 2013 #89
Marx was a fan of Ayn Rand and Rand Paul? Democracyinkind May 2013 #91
don't you know it's the other way around. It is the basic tenet of the Paul racist libertarians. graham4anything May 2013 #96
"Marx is the basic tenet of the Paul racist libertarians" Democracyinkind May 2013 #101
Summing up Democracyinkind May 2013 #92
Kick Blue_Tires May 2013 #119
Not so much wrong as uselessly irrelevant bhikkhu May 2013 #121
"old dead guys aren't much good at guiding policies for current problems" JVS May 2013 #124
That's a big underestimation of what "much worse" can be bhikkhu May 2013 #125
yeah antique ideologies like democracy, constitutionalism, liberal economics.... HiPointDem May 2013 #126
From those three perspectives, I'd give the president an A- overall bhikkhu May 2013 #128
you're confused. this thread isn't about the president's performance. HiPointDem May 2013 #129
Marx has no better or more effective ideas bhikkhu May 2013 #133
What Marx didn't grasp was the power of television and I-Pads to opiatize the masses. leveymg May 2013 #127
Just thought I'd mention that the The Communist Manifesto is available on Librivox War Horse May 2013 #130
In 2008, 50% of the world lived in urban areas. Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #132
You are correct that we are not there yet - TBF May 2013 #134
Well, the western capitalist societies are the best, most decent and most prosperous ever. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #135
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