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RainDog

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274. hold him to the same standard
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:21 PM
Feb 2012

if he uses religion as a way to deny civil rights to others, then that religion is not good. if he uses religion as a way to demonstrate love toward all, then that's useful.

no doubt every national politician has to kowtow to the majority of Americans who have negative attitudes toward those who don't include a god as part of their belief system - but it's not up to me to determine what his actual beliefs may be.

it's odd that you are trying to use the president to slam atheists. it indicates someone who is very submissive to authority - you are trying to make a case for god because of what an authority figure does.

that's really not a worthwhile argument.

i have no idea what he personally believes.. but in this country at this time, running for president dionysus Feb 2012 #1
So, would that fact justify lying about it? WillowTree Feb 2012 #58
Yes , it would surfdog Feb 2012 #95
what lie spanone Feb 2012 #99
how do you know he's lying? tnvoter Feb 2012 #127
If, in order to be elected, the public required that ... GOTV Feb 2012 #242
Great point. I went to a discussion forum between Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss at ASU this Grown2Hate Feb 2012 #254
Don't judge. elleng Feb 2012 #2
I have no problem with whatever President Obama chooses to do for enlightenment. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2012 #3
agreed demtenjeep Feb 2012 #4
+1 wtmusic Feb 2012 #61
+1,000 ! Surya Gayatri Feb 2012 #100
True, if he did yoga to relax treestar Feb 2012 #106
+1 more renie408 Feb 2012 #116
Really lovely post. Number23 Feb 2012 #200
+ a brazillion undeterred Feb 2012 #229
"Enlightenment"? ieoeja Feb 2012 #280
Is there an option for who cares? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #5
I'm an atheist. And it doesn't bother me in the least. phleshdef Feb 2012 #6
Actually, he does use the power of goverment... Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #33
+1. That's okay because he's Barack Obama! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #109
How is that shoving religion down your throat? phleshdef Feb 2012 #113
To quote Barack Obama, "God's in the mix." MNBrewer Feb 2012 #97
He says his religion is why he stands against equality for millions of Americans.... Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #108
He hasn't done one thing to stand against equality and has done quite a bit for the cause of it. phleshdef Feb 2012 #114
Broken record? _ed_ Feb 2012 #153
Dr. King wouldn't go around trying to derail threads that have nothing to do with the issue.... phleshdef Feb 2012 #158
Sure _ed_ Feb 2012 #216
In the same breathe he said that he would NOT support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage phleshdef Feb 2012 #276
+1 great white snark Feb 2012 #232
you quote him as saying: Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #165
For HIM, as a Christian, he's also the President. MNBrewer Feb 2012 #170
we are all influenced by all kinds of things- Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #179
Umm.... MNBrewer Feb 2012 #184
could you Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #186
He's the goddamn President of the United States _ed_ Feb 2012 #217
what? Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #233
You're right: _ed_ Feb 2012 #236
sorry... Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #246
+1000 CakeGrrl Feb 2012 #162
My anecdotal experience with DU is this bluestateguy Feb 2012 #7
Xtians hate it when I post the hateful things Jesus allegedly said. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #14
What hateful things did Jesus say? Not that it matter, but as far as I know, Jesus is from the New sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #36
You are asking someone so filled with hate/disgust/whatever emotion Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #71
FYI, that poster is aluding to the Greek language. BadgerKid Feb 2012 #104
It's been a while since I've studied the Bible closely deutsey Feb 2012 #112
I think we can, with certainty, credit "Paul" JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #122
Who cares what ANYONE believes, if their beliefs don't run counter to progressive values? whathehell Feb 2012 #176
I don't know deutsey Feb 2012 #190
I don't either. whathehell Feb 2012 #196
Kudos to you deutsey Feb 2012 #198
Thanks! whathehell Feb 2012 #201
+1 deutsey Feb 2012 #203
+1000..n/t whathehell Feb 2012 #174
That is because most people only have to hear the Christian crap..... Logical Feb 2012 #195
They "have" to...They have no choices? whathehell Feb 2012 #215
Very intolerant people who claim to want tolerance. Seriously the hypocrisy is unparalleled. n/t vaberella Feb 2012 #241
I just assume he's pretending to love God to get votes. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #8
Not even an assumption.. JSnuffy Feb 2012 #76
So why did he go to church for twenty years CJCRANE Feb 2012 #88
Do I know for certain what is in his head? JSnuffy Feb 2012 #90
hmmmm... the way we Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #169
Good guess... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #173
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #96
LOL...That is "precisely" only your guess. whathehell Feb 2012 #183
That's a rethug talking point Obamacare Feb 2012 #156
God is imaginary so if he is pretending to love god that shows he is intelligent. It's a compliment. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #157
Excuse, me, but the concept that God is imaginary is an OPINION, not a decided fact. whathehell Feb 2012 #180
(In my opinion) gods are imaginary. Better? limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #191
That is better, yes, whathehell Feb 2012 #193
Actually, the concept that god is real is an opinion, not a fact in the least. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #208
"The concept that god is real is also an opinion, not a fact". Funny, I never said otherwise. whathehell Feb 2012 #213
You can keep trying to make the false equivalencies if you want. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #219
Um, No. Trying isn't required...They are clearly equivalent, lol. whathehell Feb 2012 #230
You could not be more right. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #247
BWAHAHAHA! whathehell Feb 2012 #250
Bwahahaha cleanhippie Feb 2012 #252
Gee...Such originality! whathehell Feb 2012 #258
As expected, you lack any substance whatsoever. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #259
As expected, you've been reduced to babbling. whathehell Feb 2012 #268
You know, projection is treatable. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #270
Unfortunately, for you whathehell Feb 2012 #271
More personal attacks and insults. You stay classy now, ok? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #279
I'm responding to yours. I will indeed "stay classy". You in turn, might endeavor to become so! whathehell Feb 2012 #281
Bwahahahaha! cleanhippie Feb 2012 #282
Why would you respond if you thought I wouldn't see it? whathehell Feb 2012 #283
School on a holiday is as close to class as your posts ever get. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #284
BWAHAHAHA..You DID read it..Duh! whathehell Feb 2012 #286
Are you ok? Do you need help? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #287
Ask yourself that! whathehell Feb 2012 #289
I guess you do need help. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #290
Honey, you've had seven posts deleted in the last 90 days...You're in no position to judge! whathehell Feb 2012 #291
Help. Seek it. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #292
Projection can be treated, you know. whathehell Feb 2012 #293
Good to hear. Hope yours gets cured. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #294
I don't project whathehell Feb 2012 #295
Sure you do. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #296
No I sure don't whathehell Feb 2012 #297
Hahahahahahahahahahaha cleanhippie Feb 2012 #298
As a Christian Obamacare Feb 2012 #211
My take on your question... whathehell Feb 2012 #197
You pretty much summed it up Obamacare Feb 2012 #212
Thank you. I agree completely. whathehell Feb 2012 #214
This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Feb 2012 #223
These posts are extremely ignorant and pretentious. Who cares what anyone else believes? chrisa Feb 2012 #224
most of the clueless bigots newspeak Feb 2012 #231
Well... LogicalGenius Feb 2012 #9
He was pretty clear about his religious beliefs, before he was ever elected, if I recall. Fridays Child Feb 2012 #10
You recall accurately. And his election itself could be looked at as a miracle with all the nanabugg Feb 2012 #73
"..who at DU would question the power of prayer?" JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #124
When Obama is reelected, prayer will have nothing to do with it. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #209
Oh, Fuck. Not another "stop bashing us persecuted DU Christians" whine-a-palooza. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #11
"He can believe whatever he wants, as can you." Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #30
yes- Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #172
Hmm....this post is a bit whiny. onpatrol98 Feb 2012 #63
No. I'm given "free rein to rant" because of the 1st Amendment, Jack. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #64
Um...no onpatrol98 Feb 2012 #67
Where, precisely, did I make disparaging comments about your religion? I'd like the exact quote. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #77
I am always amused when folks are 'mean to others for Jesus' as you are. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #111
Actually, harsh critique of religion (bashing, as you like to call it) is completly allowed. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #210
I have a mouth like a fucking sailor, so saying fuck doesn't bother me one fucking bit. renie408 Feb 2012 #123
I want to know what specific statement you take issue with, factually or otherwise. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #159
*sigh* For one thing, it's Mr. Special Pleading-WOMAN, not man. And for another... renie408 Feb 2012 #166
So, okay, you acknowledge that I didn't actually say it. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #168
I think you might contradict your message with the tone of your message. renie408 Feb 2012 #181
Okay. You're sort of contradicting yourself, here, if your assertion is that the problem is "tone" Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #185
Ahhh...now I understand the going nuts with the 'f' word. renie408 Feb 2012 #188
Peace. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #202
Warren said nothing about those holding beliefs muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #92
Apparently, you've deemed Warren the martyr onpatrol98 Feb 2012 #101
Allow me to quote one Jesus Christ on how his followers should deal with persecution: Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #117
You're the one comparing themselves to a black having the vote withheld muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #135
I'm still waiting for you to provide me with the exact quote where I "disparaged" Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #160
Yes, it's a whiney post. Instead of responding intelligently to the OP... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #141
+1 renie408 Feb 2012 #167
Post #49 is all the intelligent response this OP is entitled to. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #171
... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #110
I'll edit to add... Tebow. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #12
Again I say, who cares? At this point, I'm all for putting the persecuted Christians and ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #15
Time Out. I knew I liked you... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #18
Thanks ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #26
And yet, you started this thread to specify just exactly how persecuted you think you are. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #27
I don't feel persecuted... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #31
What did you hope to achieve with this thread? Be honest, now. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #49
Amen! No pun intended. n/t vaberella Feb 2012 #235
you're right... It's JUST NOT FAIR to Tebow, and his very public praying and anti-choice advocacy Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #16
So President Obama's claim of faith differs somehow from Tebows public display of same? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #28
Really? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #35
You mean aside from the ad he did for "Focus on the Family"? Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #39
GMTA ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #43
Ummm...oops! ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #42
Hey. So.... did we actually have a bet on that? Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #66
Tebow LogicalGenius Feb 2012 #19
I agree, and saying you pray is much different than making a big Liquorice Feb 2012 #55
And it is absurd to think that god cares about the leader of the "free world" who Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #57
And once you start thinking about the absurdity of a deity caring about the football game outcome Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #145
God doesn't have time to talk with Obama, he's too busy determining the outcome hughee99 Feb 2012 #285
Tebow is a commercial 'product' ... Amonester Feb 2012 #23
Lol, no, you're not the only one. People can be pretty inconsistent. When Bush said pretty much sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #44
Chile, Bush was playing that for all it was worht. If you'll remember, members of his family came Ecumenist Feb 2012 #53
Who was the DUer who trashed Tebow, and defended Obama praying on his knees? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #93
There's a huge difference treestar Feb 2012 #107
Of course they have the right. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #146
I'll criticize Obama too if he starts wearing eyeblack NoGOPZone Feb 2012 #226
As long as he doesn't Mz Pip Feb 2012 #13
He always makes a point of acknowledging nonbelievers, much to the chagrin of many theocrats Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #21
Thank you. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #37
Unless you are a person denied the right to marry. Then he tells us that as a Christian Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #126
And how do you know this? bhikkhu Feb 2012 #17
Here you go...National Prayer Breakfast... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #24
Thanks - and that sounds ok. bhikkhu Feb 2012 #38
praying on your knees is gesture of "humility". It speaks well of a person. Lil Missy Feb 2012 #20
Maybe to you Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #22
It says to me that a person is seeking the good of all as a result of his actions. mia Feb 2012 #46
Glucosamine and an exercycle. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #51
Amen to that! nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #74
If I wanted to be told I have to believe in a fucking Higher Power, I'd go to an AA meeting. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #25
No one is telling you that, Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #40
One of the things I really appreciate about the guy, he makes a point of acknowledging nonbelievers. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #47
WAY long overdue Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #48
And what he does in his bedroom at night is his business. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #50
I have a feeling I don't want to know what that is. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #54
Man! The one time I *don't* make a dirty joke, someone thinks I do. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #56
no it's not lol Vattel Feb 2012 #85
Who are "we"? mia Feb 2012 #29
MOST DUer's are Atheists? Really? Although I'm sure a large percentage are atheistic Ecumenist Feb 2012 #32
A voice of reason...here at post number 32. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #34
Allow me to join the chorus. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #45
I hope he's not lying because that would be pretty Liquorice Feb 2012 #41
2006 Senator Barack Obama: Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics Speech - video Tx4obama Feb 2012 #52
I'm glad he prays! onpatrol98 Feb 2012 #59
Wow. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #128
I doubt you are right about 'most' DUers. Rex Feb 2012 #60
That bothered me too - It's not "most" DUers & the "we" would only include the poster and some DUers AnotherMother4Peace Feb 2012 #199
I agree, I think there is a huge amount of spiritual people Rex Feb 2012 #206
I think President Barack Obama is a superb politician, almost as artful as W. J. Clinton. MADem Feb 2012 #62
May I join this whine-tasting party? Capitalocracy Feb 2012 #65
+1 JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #131
I hate whine. Too much of it gives me a headache. chrisa Feb 2012 #225
It just puts me to sleep. n/t vaberella Feb 2012 #237
If Obama doesn't believe, he better pretend Politicalboi Feb 2012 #68
I don't really care what he believes in hyphenate Feb 2012 #69
92% of Americans - 90% of Democrats/ 85% of liberals - 94% of college graduates believe in God Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #70
Not only is the word "God" completely undefined, it's combined with "a universal spirit" Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #78
I have no opinion on the matter and no opinion about what defines God Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #79
Really? No offense to the "Wise Blood" character, but I dropped a fucking chair on my foot Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #83
great post Vattel Feb 2012 #87
I can agree to this. I'm still in battle with fellow Pantheists to not confuse our beliefs with God. vaberella Feb 2012 #243
THANK YOU. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #245
I think it's something to be terribly concerned about. JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #130
I don't believe him. T S Justly Feb 2012 #72
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #132
There's always got to be someone who tries to hijack an OP to discuss what THEY want to discuss stevenleser Feb 2012 #260
just a guess - but if the same questions were asked about george w bush - most of the responses DrDan Feb 2012 #75
that's because george w bush opened said he turned to his "heavenly father" tnvoter Feb 2012 #133
Right? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #134
It offends the hell out of me that there is such a relentless religious test tblue37 Feb 2012 #80
That makes two of us. GoCubsGo Feb 2012 #125
as long as he doesn't claim to hear god talking back, who cares? piratefish08 Feb 2012 #81
Religion is on-topic for GD again? /)^3^(\ Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #82
All DUers are equal... Fumesucker Feb 2012 #86
I have no idea what Obama believes Prophet 451 Feb 2012 #84
I think Obama believes in the social message of Jesus CJCRANE Feb 2012 #89
There's this thing called "Freedom of Religion" justiceischeap Feb 2012 #91
When it comes to religion and politicians I close my ears because Vinca Feb 2012 #94
Just as long as he follows his Lord's teaching and prays in private baldguy Feb 2012 #98
We all believe that there is no higher power?? And we "hold" others to that?? JoePhilly Feb 2012 #102
You are not understanding the Flying Spaghetti Monster cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #103
Thank you for that clarification deutsey Feb 2012 #118
Nevermind. jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #189
The pre-edit version was funnier cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #192
How does Obama "not act like he believes in God"? whathehell Feb 2012 #269
I don't hold people to any religious standard when it comes to holding office treestar Feb 2012 #105
I am an unrepentant atheist and have no problem with Obama's faith. What is the big deal? renie408 Feb 2012 #115
Believing in "christian values" is one thing, christian actions are something entirely different! madmom Feb 2012 #119
I am glad he does. I hope he will go one step beyond and actually follow the liberal teachings of theophilus Feb 2012 #120
More power? _ed_ Feb 2012 #152
God's in the mix... he said it.... MNBrewer Feb 2012 #177
Facepalm Boombaby Feb 2012 #121
"I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman." Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #129
That's the whole of it, right there. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #136
I think we need to redefine marriage. renie408 Feb 2012 #137
So if the word "marriage" could only be used for whites marrying whites, or blacks marrying blacks, Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #144
No, ALL marriages would be civil unions in the eyes of the law. No marriages. All civil unions. renie408 Feb 2012 #175
It is a good thing that he's a man of faith, if he thinks it is. If it gives him comfort, Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #138
"as long as they don't use that as an excuse to take away my rights or harm me" _ed_ Feb 2012 #151
The person already indicated as much and you already know that because you quoted them. stevenleser Feb 2012 #261
According to Jesus any public display of prayer means they are hypocrites. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #139
I don't believe Obama did public prayer. He just prayed at home...which is what he said. vaberella Feb 2012 #239
anyone who is disappointed by having a Christian president arely staircase Feb 2012 #140
yeah, well I don't care if he gets down on his knees and prays newspeak Feb 2012 #142
the problem here isn't his faith. Raffi Ella Feb 2012 #143
+1 renie408 Feb 2012 #147
DUers are not that asses you assume they are in your post. gulliver Feb 2012 #148
I take issue with his expansion of faith based initiatives, not his personal beliefs. -nt CrispyQ Feb 2012 #149
The existence of a "higher power" is a matter of fact _ed_ Feb 2012 #150
What in the name of "the flying spaghetti monster" or God, does it matter? ... K Gardner Feb 2012 #154
Well, there is no scientific proof either for or against a higher power. Cleita Feb 2012 #155
You do realize that your statement there about proof is considered "bashing" and "bigotry" by some. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #161
What do you care about his beliefs? CakeGrrl Feb 2012 #163
It's all ProSense Feb 2012 #178
I'd be surprised if he actually believes whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #164
RW fundies feel the same about abortion and the reasoning is similar. stevenleser Feb 2012 #262
Unbelievable! whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #263
While watching you go into a tizzy was fun, you missed my point entirely. I'll try to help stevenleser Feb 2012 #266
Honestly I don't know what you're babbling about whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #267
It is absolutely fascinating to me that there are people here who are more comfortable renie408 Feb 2012 #182
most people think politicians lie RainDog Feb 2012 #277
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #187
I must have missed the part where Obama did an ad for Focus on the Family. nt Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #204
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #220
I'm going to wait for someone to come up with a logically coherent definition of the word "God" Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #228
If he does it to get votes I am fine with it. If he really believes it..... Logical Feb 2012 #194
It's NONE of your business or mine. donheld Feb 2012 #205
It's his personal choice Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2012 #207
I don't care about one's faith or lack of faith. It is not my business. Jennicut Feb 2012 #218
We all deal with the reality of non-existence in different ways. randome Feb 2012 #221
Big deal. Who cares? chrisa Feb 2012 #222
Personally I suspect it's campaign BS, fodder for those inclined to put weight in such a claim. NorthCarolina Feb 2012 #227
What is your fuckin' deal?! Is it fuckin' illegal to believe in a God?! vaberella Feb 2012 #234
You're right about the intended divisive nature of the thread Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #238
I read the post. I don't see the point. vaberella Feb 2012 #240
Okay. Let me spell it out for you. The OP is trying to be cute, taking a swipe at DU's atheists. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #244
+1 n/t RainDog Feb 2012 #278
I don't give a damn if the President believes in a flying cat that shits rainbows. Arkana Feb 2012 #248
Arkana, For the thread win. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #249
from a Machiavellian perspective, it would be foolish for him to say anything else yurbud Feb 2012 #251
I rather he wouldn't. BiggJawn Feb 2012 #253
Religion isn't the CAUSE of violence. renie408 Feb 2012 #256
You should ask him who he prays to, not us. icymist Feb 2012 #255
I wouldn't say "most" DUers are Pastafarians KamaAina Feb 2012 #257
That is his fucking business, just like what I do is mine, unless of course either one of us break lonestarnot Feb 2012 #264
I don't care. Religion is one issue I coexist with. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #265
Thank you. whathehell Feb 2012 #272
You are of the mistaken belief that apparently there are no Christians on DU WI_DEM Feb 2012 #273
hold him to the same standard RainDog Feb 2012 #274
I don't care. TheManInTheMac Feb 2012 #275
works for me. a lot of people are religious in this country. they feel true answers come from Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #288
Except for the times when he says marriage should be between a man and a woman bigwillq Feb 2012 #299
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