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completely agree - the 2a'ers have just lost touch with reality DrDan May 2013 #1
There have been youth guns available for decades pipoman May 2013 #120
You're asking if I would I give my five year old her own ATV? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #128
no I don't DrDan May 2013 #133
Are you trying to compare a gun an ATV? Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #149
ATV's are toys? pipoman May 2013 #219
Yup,...so are these... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #221
Then I guess by your definition, yes.. pipoman May 2013 #222
gun advocates often compare cars to guns in terms of deadliness CreekDog May 2013 #284
You must be mistaken.. pipoman May 2013 #285
whatever your previous role, you aren't the authority on what I can refer to here CreekDog May 2013 #286
Have you been drinking sir? pipoman May 2013 #287
the comparison is apt because you made reference to ATV's CreekDog May 2013 #288
Being able to discern pipoman May 2013 #306
The girl driving the ATV in the photo can get her brother killed -- just as dead as with a gun OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #293
Were you ever a kid? Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #294
Yes I was a kid. Yes I rode a bike with no helmet, climbed a tree, and did a variety of other stuff OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #296
Looks to me like they are just POSING on it... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #297
I don't know many kids who were "given" anything more powerful than a BB gun to use unsupervised OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #300
I've seen father-son hunting trips treated like father-son fishing trips... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #301
That's a bad thing if it means large quantities of beer are being consumed OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #302
Especially if dad took away the tractor. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #305
You are finally getting it.. pipoman May 2013 #309
LOL!! Oh sure! And the first time you send him to bed... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #310
That's what I thought.. pipoman May 2013 #312
what's the rate of fire on that quad? frylock May 2013 #172
About 150 kids per year... pipoman May 2013 #227
we should probably heavily regulate those frylock May 2013 #232
They Could Get Some Nasty Scrapes & Bruises From That Thing SoCalMusicLover May 2013 #182
ATVs kill about 150 kids per year. Drownings kills 800. Gun accidents kill 80 hack89 May 2013 #191
87% of total gun deaths, 23 industrialized nations, children under 15 Progressive dog May 2013 #195
Don't change the subject hack89 May 2013 #201
I think I hear your guns calling, shouldn't you Progressive dog May 2013 #203
Peril? You shitting me? hack89 May 2013 #204
Scared you though Progressive dog May 2013 #209
Scared me? hack89 May 2013 #213
Inanimate lumps of stell that are used to kill Progressive dog May 2013 #217
Mine must be defective hack89 May 2013 #218
LOL!! ailsagirl May 2013 #236
You've been off topic for a while Progressive dog May 2013 #240
I didn't bring up the issue of ATVs hack89 May 2013 #244
Oh there's another hack89 who did in post 182 Progressive dog May 2013 #245
I posted hard numbers comparing accidental deaths between ATVs and guns among children. hack89 May 2013 #246
And then denied doing it, commonly called lying Progressive dog May 2013 #247
Show me where I denied posting hard numbers hack89 May 2013 #248
Hack89 with another oh so clever change of subject-Lying yet again Progressive dog May 2013 #249
I didn't bring up ATVs - did you read the post I was replying to? hack89 May 2013 #250
You accused me of bringing up ATV's, that makes you a liar Progressive dog May 2013 #252
No - I was referring to my reply to SoCalMusicLover. Sorry for any confusion. nt hack89 May 2013 #253
Way to mix intentional criminal acts with accidental deaths to defend your leaking position. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #234
Way to write gibberish Progressive dog May 2013 #241
I didn't really expect you to understand it. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #257
So I met your expectations Progressive dog May 2013 #259
If you did, you wouldn't have tried to compare all gun-related deaths of children AtheistCrusader May 2013 #261
Now I really get to meet your expectations Progressive dog May 2013 #264
You don't seem to be reading what I wrote. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #266
So your buddy brings in unrelated stuff and no one else can do that Progressive dog May 2013 #272
Why is it not relevant? AtheistCrusader May 2013 #274
You told me it wasn't and now it is Progressive dog May 2013 #276
Thank you for insulting me. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #277
You don't get it Progressive dog May 2013 #279
ATV's are regulated. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #280
I thought you didn't get it, now I know you didn't Progressive dog May 2013 #290
Given the contents of this thread, and who said what, you make no sense. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #291
The truly telling part of those numbers is.. pipoman May 2013 #228
Yeah..scrapes and bruises.. pipoman May 2013 #220
The Crickett rifle is a single-shot .22 bolt action. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #233
2a'ers kardonb May 2013 #146
I agree to a point.. pipoman May 2013 #223
yes if the allow their kids unsupervised access to guns. loli phabay May 2013 #251
Why do we need 10 different threads on this topic. Travis_0004 May 2013 #2
+1! Hangingon May 2013 #5
You're more than welcome to embrace the Trash Thread button if it so offends your sensibilities. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #6
Hell, he can trash by keyword if he needs to. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #105
How do you do that? nt raccoon May 2013 #112
Ha!~ I had to go look, since I've never actually done it. Here you go: Warren DeMontague May 2013 #139
Thank you! nt raccoon May 2013 #142
It does not help. I try to avoid these threads but they are everywhere nt Mojorabbit May 2013 #151
If you don't like them, why do you post in them? longship May 2013 #304
I get sucked in sometimes and mostly regret it! :) nt Mojorabbit May 2013 #311
but that would rob them of the opportunity to post in a thread they don't give a shit about frylock May 2013 #173
Because some may have missed the other nine. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #8
This. Control-Z May 2013 #14
It brings out the gun nuts Progressive dog May 2013 #11
Didn't realize you were in charge. Kingofalldems May 2013 #13
self-delete TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #15
BEcause this country has fucking lost its mind and needs to be corrected. morningfog May 2013 #67
Because, like every other hot current issue this deserves to be discussed liberal N proud May 2013 #85
There can never timdog44 May 2013 #136
You're right. 10 isn't enough Renew Deal May 2013 #138
Agree completely. Of course, ads for the mature gun crowd are kind of sick too. Hoyt May 2013 #3
Yep. Definately geared for the dick compensater crowd. Arctic Dave May 2013 #7
Any more predictable, cliched insults you'd like to toss out? Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #30
Cliche? Arctic Dave May 2013 #62
Heh heh Orrex May 2013 #131
Those ads make it kind of obvious don't they. Crunchy Frog May 2013 #42
Oooooooooh, premium May 2013 #9
When I was in boot camp timdog44 May 2013 #57
I'm not sure "mature" is the target audience... Scootaloo May 2013 #177
You have to be a special kind of deranged to give your child a lethal weapon Arctic Dave May 2013 #4
All three of my sons started shooting at age 10. oneshooter May 2013 #12
Did you buy your kid a little powder blue Control-Z May 2013 #16
I got my first .22 at age twelve. Arctic Dave May 2013 #19
Where did you get 4 years old out of his post? ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #26
My guess is the poster is referring to this story: blue neen May 2013 #33
The Perfesser doesn't bother to actually read links in posts. baldguy May 2013 #34
The wording was ambiguous ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #84
These OPs are part of the 5year old who killed his sister Arctic Dave May 2013 #64
You should take your anti gun glasses off, and read again. n/t oneshooter May 2013 #27
I know an 8 year old little girl who got a pink 22 from the Easter Bunny, blue neen May 2013 #31
Did you give them their own gun at 10? treestar May 2013 #109
You really need to read carefully. oneshooter May 2013 #115
The poster says they started shooting at 10 treestar May 2013 #116
My sons trained with the same 22 rifle I recieved when I was 10. A Remington Nylon bolt action. oneshooter May 2013 #119
You or some family member may be deranged...can you pass a mental health check? Sancho May 2013 #129
YAAAY! snort May 2013 #188
My daughters started shooting at an early age ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #21
I stand by my remarks. Arctic Dave May 2013 #22
Actually if you are training them properly, it would be ranged ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #23
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #169
My daughters are yet to kill anyone they should not have ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #194
And I stand by your right to say so, even if you sound like an asshole saying it. oneshooter May 2013 #29
Golly! Orrex May 2013 #39
"But specifically marketing a gun specifically for children? That's sick." Progressive dog May 2013 #10
Why? Legal activity done under close adult supervision should be fine ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #25
I agree! This is beyond f***ed up. I really don't understand the gun nut mentality. smirkymonkey May 2013 #190
I find these complaints incomprehensible as well ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #197
I guess I just don't get it. It is not part of my culture and it never will be. smirkymonkey May 2013 #206
Its not the guns, its the stupid ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #211
Define what you mean by children in your screed... ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #17
I would think that for a hunting shotgun.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #86
Shorter LOP is not a big deal. I know many women who prefer that as well ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #92
Well good for her. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #98
She preferred traditional walnut furniture with basic black ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #124
It is amusing to me what is and isn't acceptable to market towards kids. Arcanetrance May 2013 #18
To be just like good ole dad. Hoyt May 2013 #35
elimination of life is not their sole purpose. aikoaiko May 2013 #38
Really cause I can't think of any other purpose for them Arcanetrance May 2013 #41
Target shooting, recreational and competitive. aikoaiko May 2013 #44
Forgive me I don't find guns fun having had one pointed at me Arcanetrance May 2013 #51
Our experiences do shape our attitudes. aikoaiko May 2013 #54
I have had them pointed at me off and on for 30years. oneshooter May 2013 #60
I take it you do something for a living where that's a possible part of the job Arcanetrance May 2013 #61
US Marine 1970-78 oneshooter May 2013 #63
While I admire your courage you had training for this the risks were known Arcanetrance May 2013 #73
I wouldn't brag about being a merc MattBaggins May 2013 #147
I really don't give a damn what they think. I have been "retired" now for 10 years. oneshooter May 2013 #175
You have a narrow outlook based on one incident... Eleanors38 May 2013 #153
How about having them take up archery? smirkymonkey May 2013 #192
I like archery, but you do know that an arrow can kill too, don't you? aikoaiko May 2013 #198
Not quite as lethal as a gun. And most people who are Archers are not carrying them smirkymonkey May 2013 #208
I agree, but the level of supervision needs to be almost the same, IMO. aikoaiko May 2013 #212
The problem is thinking -- good luck with that!! nt CokeMachine May 2013 #88
elimination of life is their sole purpose DrDan May 2013 #77
Its like a mantra for you people. aikoaiko May 2013 #80
They have to go with what they have -- nt CokeMachine May 2013 #89
the truth is the truth regardless of how communicated DrDan May 2013 #107
"sole purpose" does not mean what you think it means aikoaiko May 2013 #121
oh I think it probably does DrDan May 2013 #132
so guns were originally designed and manufactured to shoot at paper targets? frylock May 2013 #174
"originally designed" =/= "sole purpose" aikoaiko May 2013 #179
no, i mean ORIGINALLY originally frylock May 2013 #183
Maybe entertainment. I understand that celebretory fireworks predated martial fireworks. aikoaiko May 2013 #199
clearly target shooting was so popular they had to make an ammendment to the constitution frylock May 2013 #200
Among other reasons. aikoaiko May 2013 #202
Sorry. Your chant is wrong again. Eleanors38 May 2013 #154
I shall stand by it DrDan May 2013 #163
Go ahead. It's still wrong. Eleanors38 May 2013 #178
NRA shouldn't market gun courses for 4 year olds either HockeyMom May 2013 #20
They don't market gun courses for 4 year olds ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #28
And it teaches kids to do three things if they come across a firearm lying around. TheMightyFavog May 2013 #45
You forgot "Leave the room". n/t oneshooter May 2013 #50
Except kids like to emulate good ole dad, the gun cultist. Hoyt May 2013 #66
The OP story shows how that works Progressive dog May 2013 #94
This only makes sense to young ones if their parents are compliant LeftInTX May 2013 #157
A 4 or 5 year old is far from a "youth" HockeyMom May 2013 #69
I asked that very question about the OP, what did he mean by children ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #78
My boys were each 18 before they had their own guns rl6214 May 2013 #24
This Crickett line, the Hello Kitty AK47s, etc., are proof that... OneGrassRoot May 2013 #32
+1000 baldguy May 2013 #36
+1 SunSeeker May 2013 #53
"Reasonable gun safety measures" MattBaggins May 2013 #148
Yes, words do matter, but in this context... OneGrassRoot May 2013 #164
I agree but it is bigger than that MattBaggins May 2013 #166
I'll try to be more mindful of that. OneGrassRoot May 2013 #170
Gun sales increased after bans were proposed. Nt Eleanors38 May 2013 #155
By whom? OneGrassRoot May 2013 #160
Renewal and widening the AWB by Diane Feinstein and many others... Eleanors38 May 2013 #180
I generally agree that 4 - 5 is too young, but I'm not going to get hysterical about it. aikoaiko May 2013 #37
The parent is ultimately in charge...in an ideal world. blue neen May 2013 #40
Its a really small rifle. Cricketts are small. Its a fine name. aikoaiko May 2013 #52
Children are small. "Cricketts" kill small children. blue neen May 2013 #56
And, yet, here we are. aikoaiko May 2013 #58
That's correct, because it's not practical---it's all about the economics. blue neen May 2013 #59
Exactly !! lunasun May 2013 #103
Ditto marions ghost May 2013 #162
Well, that's stupid. morningfog May 2013 #68
More high-minded commentary from the OMGGUNSWTFBBQ club. aikoaiko May 2013 #74
And even that is more consideration than your ilk deserve. morningfog May 2013 #82
I'm sure that is the best you can do considering aikoaiko May 2013 #83
I think the fog is lasting longer tonight. nt CokeMachine May 2013 #90
You must be very young... kappa maki May 2013 #43
Umm, high capacity mags on civvie rifles weren't exactly a thing fifty years ago. TheMightyFavog May 2013 #46
Uh, no. Guns are not the same as they were 50 years ago. blue neen May 2013 #49
I can't think of an advance in civilian firearms since the early 60s Recursion May 2013 #113
Glad that this is no longer the norm. Previous generations did a lot of stupid shit. morningfog May 2013 #71
Cap guns and BB guns don't usually kill human beings. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #102
Did you read all my post?...where I talked about the "real" guns we took to school? kappa maki May 2013 #189
Because, like it or not, guns account for the overwhelming majority of homicides in this country. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #256
Your post highlights a fundamental viewpoint difference between gun owners and non gun owners Xithras May 2013 #47
So, Bushmaster .223=Socket Wrench? blue neen May 2013 #55
Gun owners kill lots of people. morningfog May 2013 #72
So do car owners. oneshooter May 2013 #95
Cars =/= Guns Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #99
Did I say that? Or are you projecting again. oneshooter May 2013 #118
You pretty much did. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #184
So you deny that people are killed by cars? oneshooter May 2013 #210
I deny that cars are an instrument specifically designed to kill/injure or simulate killing/injuring Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #255
But you do agree that cars, despite what they are built for, kill people. oneshooter May 2013 #298
Cars are not designed as weapons and are rarely used as such. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #307
Ah, the car argument is one of the cutest! morningfog May 2013 #100
Tough to beat bathtub falls and swimming pool drowings, though. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #111
don't forget hammers! CTyankee May 2013 #114
Hand grenades are tools too. Crunchy Frog May 2013 #110
Great stuff. Can you tell us how many 5 yr olds kill 2 yr olds with their very own jmg257 May 2013 #135
I'll just leave this here newmember May 2013 #48
Just watched "Shane" the other day. It's sort of an explanation for how youngsters get so SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #65
Can anyone guess what this rifle is ? newmember May 2013 #70
Sorry but that gun is in no way marketed to children. (It's a HK 416 btw) justanidea May 2013 #75
Whether that particular rifle is or just a conversion kit for a AR15 is... newmember May 2013 #79
I know it's a .22 justanidea May 2013 #140
The Cliff Notes version of this thread: justanidea May 2013 #76
Four year olds, Dude. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #81
LOL SunSeeker May 2013 #143
I'm against commercial ads generally... Deep13 May 2013 #87
I'm perfectly fine with such hunting shotguns for adults and even teenagers. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #93
Why just hunting. Deep13 May 2013 #97
Target and skeet shooting are fine too, I guess. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #101
I missed the 4-5 year old thing in your post. CokeMachine May 2013 #91
A five year old boy shot his 2 year old sister. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #96
*shut up* don't talk about Happy Meals. flvegan May 2013 #104
I don't get it. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #106
So true treestar May 2013 #108
No, they don't. beevul May 2013 #181
It is a gun which fits a child. pipoman May 2013 #117
Therein lies the problem. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #122
Not things which pipoman May 2013 #126
"full size hunting shotgun." That's the problem... Eleanors38 May 2013 #161
Prohibition on marketing firearms to children by gun manufacturers. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #289
Problem: When Field & Stream and shooting magazines Eleanors38 May 2013 #308
We'd be talking about marketing and advertising, not seemingly objective journalistic articles. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #314
I understand the parameters of commercial vs free speech... Eleanors38 May 2013 #315
These weapons are weapons such as the Crickett. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #316
My hunting buddy got a Cricket for his son (now in mid-school) Eleanors38 May 2013 #317
"It is in fact made for kids" Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #318
I understand it and I don't care for it cali May 2013 #123
Like I said, it's one thing for someone to take their kid along with them hunting. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #125
Fishing is an excellent suggestion. No kid ever killed his sister with a fishing pole. SunSeeker May 2013 #145
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, premium May 2013 #150
Some of my fondest memories are fishing with my dad. SunSeeker May 2013 #152
I have fond memories also of fishing with my dad, premium May 2013 #156
Beautiful. I'm sure you would have hugely enjoyed doing anything with your dad there. nt SunSeeker May 2013 #158
Thank you. premium May 2013 #159
I understand the alure of motocross too pipoman May 2013 #127
I'm personally fine with the goverment regulating it. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #130
I completely agree. I have a dear young friend who's a quad because cali May 2013 #134
So you advocate the state killing parents of a minor, with a "trial" first? oneshooter May 2013 #176
didn't mean to advocate killing parents cali May 2013 #186
LMAO I don't blame you for editing your post. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #187
Editing your post was kinda cowardly. If you say it then stand by it. oneshooter May 2013 #215
look, anyone who knows me and that includes here, knows I'm adamently against the dp cali May 2013 #238
AAAW She called me "sweetie". oneshooter May 2013 #299
Really? "they should be tried and killed for negligent homicide if a kid kills someone with it." friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #231
disturbing Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #185
Would you give your 5yr. Old a Car and the Keys???? DreamSmoker May 2013 #137
Do these children have gun permits??? Walk away May 2013 #141
What "gun permits"? oneshooter May 2013 #216
forewarning... I'm old formernaderite May 2013 #144
It's early brainwashing malaise May 2013 #165
We've come a long way from playing cowboys and indians. L0oniX May 2013 #167
What about violent video games? alp227 May 2013 #168
How are kids supposed to learn to violently overthrow their democratically elected government... harmonicon May 2013 #171
I can't even believe that anybody is even defending this shit. smirkymonkey May 2013 #193
Ahhh the joys of cloistered life ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #196
Sorry, I'm just a city girl at heart. smirkymonkey May 2013 #205
Says one of the chair-bound who pickets the forum 24/7 to keep the gun grabbers in check Kolesar May 2013 #207
It keeps me busy between chemo sessions ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #214
Agreed. Apophis May 2013 #224
Lawrence O'Donnell is slaughtering this company. BVictor1 May 2013 #225
THAT was a masterpiece! "Legalized child pornography", for sure. bullwinkle428 May 2013 #226
We need to stop this insanity Politicalboi May 2013 #229
Ok, it's not for you. Fine. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #230
I honestly don't care what you personally find interesting or not. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #242
It actually IS a cultural element. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #258
I read this and was horrified DissidentVoice May 2013 #235
I got my first air rifle at six years old. I started learning to shoot at nine Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #237
Simple: My kids are forbidden from playing with any child who owns or has access to guns alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #239
Could not agree more. Sick indeed. nt DLevine May 2013 #243
Manufacturing and marketing guns to children marions ghost May 2013 #254
Kids can't purchase them, 'Period'. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #260
Marketing is aimed at kids (& parents) marions ghost May 2013 #262
Actually, the social 'approval' was already there. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #263
Cultural diversity marions ghost May 2013 #267
The image in the OP suggests a hunting/sporting purpose. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #270
The coroner should know... marions ghost May 2013 #273
Totally fair point. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #275
Maybe because this carnage has been going on so long marions ghost May 2013 #278
From all sources, that is true, kids do get killed a lot. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #281
So guns are fine for young kids marions ghost May 2013 #282
WIth appropriate adult supervision, I think so. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #283
Yep. premium May 2013 #268
At that age, 4 yo, premium May 2013 #265
Yes they should be charged marions ghost May 2013 #269
Agreed. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #271
No! No! I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle! OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #292
Very funny movie ailsagirl May 2013 #295
Guns and Viagra Aerows May 2013 #303
The arguments in this thread FlaGranny May 2013 #313
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