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zipplewrath

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42. My bad faith or your rose colored glasses?
Wed May 1, 2013, 04:58 PM
May 2013

There is little to nothing to explain what the ACA did, other than provide funding. Furthermore, everyone, every organization, and effort existed prior to the start of this program. The hospitals were already part of an affiliation. They already had programs to address the referenced issues. They were already seeing success which they referenced. One has to presume that the were doing absolutely nothing to collaborate or cooperate, even though the associations, programs, and information predated the ACA. You have to presume that there was no coordination, cooperation, or any other program that predated the ACA, despite the structures and associations that were already in place to do exactly that.

Or you can presume that they saw a funding source for something they were already doing and now the funding source is looking to justify themselves by taking credit for actions and outcomes that predated the funding source.

Occum's razor alone suggest the latter.

Blame ObamaCare [View all] bigtree May 2013 OP
Good News n2doc May 2013 #1
k&r... spanone May 2013 #2
Excellent! n/t ProSense May 2013 #3
so are my insurance rates going down? srican69 May 2013 #4
so are my insurance rates going down? AlbertCat May 2013 #5
Actually, LWolf May 2013 #47
that's ridiculous bigtree May 2013 #6
Blame the insurance companies.They're always looking for an excuse to raise rates Everyone knows it judesedit May 2013 #7
Now it's Obstructionist Insurance Companies™ leftstreet May 2013 #8
Yeah, totally crazy to blame insurance companies for raising their rates. geek tragedy May 2013 #9
It's not their fault. The Dems handed them what they wanted leftstreet May 2013 #10
A combination of Teabagger and Naderite talking points. Well done. geek tragedy May 2013 #11
For-profit healthcare was once a GOP dream n/t leftstreet May 2013 #17
Why not blame Obamacare for cancer and heart disease while you're geek tragedy May 2013 #18
You're not making any sense leftstreet May 2013 #19
So far, you've blamed Obamacare for insurance companies, insurance companies geek tragedy May 2013 #20
Yes, Obama and the Democrats are at fault here leftstreet May 2013 #21
"they made no restrictions on for-profit insurance rate increases" geek tragedy May 2013 #22
You're wrong leftstreet May 2013 #23
Not an economics or math major, I see. geek tragedy May 2013 #24
If I mandate a minimum loss ratio of 85% on insurance companies - then the only way an insurance srican69 May 2013 #38
They're incentivized to increase the size of the pie by increasing the geek tragedy May 2013 #40
Republicans were also for the Civil Rights Act, the EPA, a guaranteed annual income, cap-and-trade pampango May 2013 #31
Insurance providers are used under socialized single payer plans in other countries for health care Ikonoklast May 2013 #44
Whatever n/t malaise May 2013 #34
Maybe. Guess you'll have to wait and see what happens cbdo2007 May 2013 #41
Um.... Classic zipplewrath May 2013 #12
No, there was no existing program. Reading is fundamental. geek tragedy May 2013 #14
So the 1 year decline isn't due to the years of work? zipplewrath May 2013 #15
It's both. The best practices were developed by individual doctors, hospitals, geek tragedy May 2013 #16
Funny, the guy didn't say that zipplewrath May 2013 #26
Yes, you should take his quote out of context from the rest of the story. geek tragedy May 2013 #28
Actually, I find it very consistent zipplewrath May 2013 #29
THE GUY YOU QUOTED CREDITED THE OBAMACARE EFFORT. geek tragedy May 2013 #32
Not exactly zipplewrath May 2013 #36
"share work in a particular manner that was already being shared before" geek tragedy May 2013 #39
My bad faith or your rose colored glasses? zipplewrath May 2013 #42
Again, you're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. geek tragedy May 2013 #43
You're really gonna make me do this? zipplewrath May 2013 #46
Linking to stuff that doesn't back you up is not persuasive. geek tragedy May 2013 #48
It takes a leap of faith zipplewrath May 2013 #49
If we can manage to stay the course, we'll eventually see lots of real-life health benefits ... dawg May 2013 #13
Dubious zipplewrath May 2013 #25
I don't know about hitting any arbitrary targets ... dawg May 2013 #27
Presumption zipplewrath May 2013 #33
The whole pre-existing conditions thing is barbaric. dawg May 2013 #35
No, single payer zipplewrath May 2013 #37
Good on the FEDS and Obamacare Initiative! Cha May 2013 #30
K&R SunSeeker May 2013 #45
65% drop in "pressure ulcers." Would this be, in plain English, "bedsores"? n/t Plaid Adder May 2013 #50
sign of neglect bigtree May 2013 #51
when i read your opening line about a major drop in "hospital infections orleans May 2013 #52
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