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RKP5637

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Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:58 PM Apr 2013

DU POLL - Will the US Really Experience a Violent Upheaval in 2020? [View all]

... depending on what 2016 ushers in ... an established trend might well be seen. ... so, I added a poll to this article. My take is eventually the shit is going to hit the fan as more people feel financially repressed and underrepresented. Also, eventually, many R's IMO will realize they've been fucked over for profits by their masters. ... that they've been taken for suckers.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-really-experience-violent-upheaval-2020-162332158.html

Circa 1870, the North fought the South in the Civil War. Half a century later, around 1920, worker unrest, racial tensions and anti-Communist sentiment caused another nationwide upsurge of violence. Then, 50 years later, the Vietnam War and Civil Rights Movement triggered a third peak in violent political, social and racial conflict. Fifty years after that will be 2020. If history continues to repeat itself, we can expect a violent upheaval in the United States in a few years.

It sounds like pseudoscience, but it's a published theory. "My model suggests that the next [peak in violence] will be worse than the one in 1970 because demographic variables such as wages, standards of living and a number of measures of intra-elite confrontation are all much worse this time," said Peter Turchin, an ecologist, evolutionary biologist and mathematician at the University of Connecticut.

Turchin has led the development of a field of study called "cliodynamics," in which scientists attempt to find meaningful patterns in history. The endeavor flies in the face of the traditional study of history, which assumes the countless variables interacting within a society lead to chaotic fluctuations in outcomes like violence and social unrest. Massimo Pigliucci, a philosopher of science at CUNY-Lehman College, said most historians believe that "the factors at play are so many and so variable that there is little reason to expect quasi-regular cycles, or a unified theory to explain them."


But we might not be so lucky this time around. If Turchin's model is right, then the current polarization and inequality in American society will come to a head in 2020. "After the last eight years or so, notice how the discourse in our political class has become fragmented. It's really unprecedented for the last 100 years. So basically by all measures, there are social pressures for instability that are much worse than 50 years ago."

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Yes
2 (17%)
No
3 (25%)
Possibly
3 (25%)
Too early to tell
0 (0%)
Never
2 (17%)
Too much populace control exists in the US
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Land of the Free. Hah. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #1
Yep, all a head game ... n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #2
I don't think a national revolution is probable, Bannakaffalatta Apr 2013 #3
Yep, I think what you've said is the likely scenario. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #5
No. The logistics required make a true upheaval untenable in the US ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #4
Possibly, with a side of hoping so... Earth_First Apr 2013 #6
I think at some point, there is a collective turning point wherein even RKP5637 Apr 2013 #8
What if the USSC issues a reinterpretation of 2A that outlaws private ownership of firearms cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #7
I have mixed feelings about 2A, because the outlaw of private ownership of firearms seems to RKP5637 Apr 2013 #10
Personally, I don't think there IS a government that can be trusted. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #14
Yep, quite true. The problem with governments is power and money rise to the top, crooks and RKP5637 Apr 2013 #17
"It sounds like pseudoscience, but it's a published theory." William Seger Apr 2013 #9
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #11
Because if it's published, it's not pseudoscience Captain Stern Apr 2013 #16
Like, just because a person has a degree they can't believe in nutty crap? baldguy Apr 2013 #22
Yeah. Exactly like that. (nt) Captain Stern Apr 2013 #24
I hope not but - the Left (oddly) wins most organized shooting wars. JanMichael Apr 2013 #12
I dunno abelenkpe Apr 2013 #13
Sounds like psychohistory to me. bluedigger Apr 2013 #15
Thanks for the info and link! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #18
. jazzimov Apr 2013 #19
Could be, but if so, it'll be before 2020 Populist_Prole Apr 2013 #20
Yep, that will be the turning point when those being RKP5637 Apr 2013 #21
sounds like a bullshit theory to me cali Apr 2013 #23
Other: LWolf Apr 2013 #25
Would this be like Armageddon light Progressive dog Apr 2013 #26
LOL ... I would hold off on the bunker! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #28
President Clinton will have a 80-20 majority, with the extremists on both sides shunned by 2018. graham4anything Apr 2013 #27
Yep, 2016 will be the turning point. Many people I talk to are totally fed up with RKP5637 Apr 2013 #29
Good. The more the merrier. graham4anything Apr 2013 #30
May be pseudo sci or sci fiction, may not be a unified theory.. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #31
And I think underlying all of this is the gov. has lost creditability with many of the masses, RKP5637 Apr 2013 #32
50 years is the Chiron return if one were interested in exploring the symbolism of that archetypical KittyWampus Apr 2013 #33
Thanks! I will read up on this and my quick glance on Google indicated something I will be quite RKP5637 Apr 2013 #34
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