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Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:22 PM

Progressive dog (5,735 posts)

66. No it isn't

What political capital? When you support something that a big majority of voters want, you gain political capital.

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92 replies	Author	Time	Post
The problem gun reformers face [View all]	ProSense	Apr 2013	OP
The bottom line is that	pipoman	Apr 2013	#1
No, that's not the "bottom line"	ProSense	Apr 2013	#2
Another false NRA talking point. They just keep flowing...	DanTex	Apr 2013	#3
"talking point" "talking point"	pipoman	Apr 2013	#4
Maybe look into why nobody with a clue about constitutional law has even hinted that	DanTex	Apr 2013	#5
Dan, are you not aware of the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution?	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#9
Are you not aware of the NFA, which requires intra-state sales between private citizens to be	DanTex	Apr 2013	#17
Would you quit scaring	billh58	Apr 2013	#23
Dan, intra-state sales between private citizens already gets a background check.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#41
Intra-state means within the same state.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#44
What provision of the NFA governs sales within the same state?	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#49
If you sell an NFA gun to someone within the same state, you need to transfer the registration.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#56
Dan, I'll ask again.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#60
So are you saying I'm wrong? That's a serious question.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#64
Dan, all I'm asking you to do is prove your claim.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#73
I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#74
Ain't it tough splainin to folks who can't get their "nomenclature" correct.	Hoyt	Apr 2013	#53
Hoyt, I dont' actually know the difference between a magazine and a clip.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#55
Guns are far from "progressive."	Hoyt	Apr 2013	#68
You don't think that the right of self-defense is a progressive value?	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#71
The right of self-defense and the right to own a gun are different things.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#72
I don't recall seeing a Constitutional Amendment that guarantees you to be free from gun violence.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#75
The constitution also doesn't say anything about self-defense either.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#76
Are you a 100 pound woman? Typical gun cultist BS.	Hoyt	Apr 2013	#80
Instead of insulting me, why don't you address the point I raised?	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#81
I could put a bunch of photos of shot kids, give us a break and stop promoting more guns.	Hoyt	Apr 2013	#87
And the weapons restricted under NFA	pipoman	Apr 2013	#54
Whether guns are in common use or not has nothing to do with commerce clause or states' rights.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#58
It has everything to do with NFA registry...	pipoman	Apr 2013	#61
The "NFA Registry" is not part of the constitution.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#65
Dan, so basically what you're saying is that because the Fed regulates machines guns one way...	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#78
Constitutionally, yes.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#79
Dan, let's get real here.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#82
You are confusing the commerce clause and the second amendment.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#83
No, I didn't!	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#84
OK, I think this is where I hop off the crazy train.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#85
No, all I'm asking is that you prove your claim.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#90
The ONLY reason that the NFA	pipoman	Apr 2013	#88
About the constitutional scholar thing.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#47
So then why didn't it happen praytell?	pipoman	Apr 2013	#57
Umm, because there weren't enough votes in the senate.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#59
How do we explain the several Democrats who didn't vote for it?	pipoman	Apr 2013	#62
They are right-wing Dems like Max Baucus.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#67
Now, let's be specific: NRAtalkingPoint™ No. 20358	Eleanors38	Apr 2013	#6
In other words, nobody with a clue has any doubts about the constitutionality.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#7
So the ACLU has gone over to the Dark Side?	Eleanors38	Apr 2013	#8
The ACLU didn't say it was unconstitutional.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#13
Dan, a national gun registry is prohibited by law.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#10
Wow, you guys don't even know about NFA! Fascinating!	DanTex	Apr 2013	#12
Yes, I am aware of it...	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#43
That wouldn't affect the commerce clause or the Federal Government's jurisdiction.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#45
No, it would.	Alva Goldbook	Apr 2013	#51
Miller was a second amendment case. The "unusualness" matters to the second amendment,	DanTex	Apr 2013	#52
Where is this registry?	former9thward	Apr 2013	#11
LOL. So not only do you not know what a "Harvard Study" is, you also don't know about the NFA.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#14
I thought the NFA was a registry for certain firearms, like machine guns,	premium	Apr 2013	#15
I didn't say "all firearms". But the NFA is most definitely a national gun registry.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#16
Thanks for the reply.	premium	Apr 2013	#18
Of course, not of all firearms.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#21
I tend to agree with you,	premium	Apr 2013	#22
You never know what Scalia and Co are going to do, but	DanTex	Apr 2013	#25
Except there is no way to register existing guns using the NFA model	hack89	Apr 2013	#39
NFA 1934	umt9	Apr 2013	#35
Thanks.	premium	Apr 2013	#42
Has it never ever prevented 1 criminal? Poor logic. Since one is able to get an illegal weapon....	uppityperson	Apr 2013	#46
Re-read my post	umt9	May 2013	#92
LOL.	former9thward	Apr 2013	#19
The percentages don't affect the constitutionality question.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#20
I am still waiting for you to disprove one fact presented in that study.	former9thward	Apr 2013	#30
Amazing, you're still standing by it! Even after it was shown to you that it is right-wing	DanTex	Apr 2013	#31
Wow a typo!	former9thward	Apr 2013	#32
LOL. Using false data is not a "typo".	DanTex	Apr 2013	#33
That dog don't hunt any more.	upaloopa	Apr 2013	#26
It only takes one person to challenge and you can bet on that person being out there somewhere..	pipoman	Apr 2013	#63
It also takes money and a court willing to hear it	upaloopa	Apr 2013	#77
The money will be there through lobbying groups like NRA	pipoman	Apr 2013	#89
No it isn't	Progressive dog	Apr 2013	#66
thye unsolvable problem actually is : we already have 200 million guns	librechik	Apr 2013	#24
Your last few words	billh58	Apr 2013	#28
Yep.	Zoeisright	Apr 2013	#69
From the article...	rrneck	Apr 2013	#27
So the GOP is counting on the ignorance of the American people.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#29
Nothing but falsehoods.	former9thward	Apr 2013	#34
Uh huh. "There's no loophole". Where have we heard that talking point before?	DanTex	Apr 2013	#36
Why did you post falsehoods?	former9thward	Apr 2013	#37
I think everyone outside the NRA bubble understands that you are the one posting falsehoods.	DanTex	Apr 2013	#38
a "friendly top"?	former9thward	Apr 2013	#40
"Loophole"	pipoman	Apr 2013	#91
Yes.	rrneck	Apr 2013	#48
Maybe their problem is the outright contempt that they have for millions of Democrats and	AnotherMcIntosh	Apr 2013	#50
Speaking of NRA propaganda	billh58	Apr 2013	#70
The problem they face: Goobers	rustydog	Apr 2013	#86

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