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DonViejo

(60,536 posts) Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:08 PM Apr 2013

More Senators Vote To Loosen Gun Laws Than Tighten Them [View all]

SAHIL KAPUR APRIL 18, 2013, 11:10 AM

Fifty-seven senators voted Wednesday to dramatically expand gun rights after the background check legislation was scuttled, a sign that even amid the most concerted gun control push in two decades, there remains more Senate support for loosening gun laws than tightening them.

The National Rifle Association-backed measure, brought by Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX) as an amendment to gun legislation, would have made a concealed carry permit in one state valid in other states. In other words, if it passed, California would be forced to let someone carry a concealed weapon in public if they were permitted to do so, say, by the state of Kansas.

The bill failed as it was subject to a filibuster-proof 60 vote threshold, like all amendments. But thirteen Democrats joined all but one Republican (Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk) in voting for it. It received more votes than background check legislation, which would have modestly tightened the nation’s gun laws and managed to find 55 supporters.

“This amendment would wreak havoc in large portions of America — suburban and urban areas,” Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said just before the vote on Cornyn’s amendment. “Because there are no residency requirements, criminals from all states could go to states, Florida is one, get a concealed carry permit and legally — criminals, felons — concealed carry in other states.”

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More Senators Vote To Loosen Gun Laws Than Tighten Them [View all] DonViejo Apr 2013 OP

Thank God for Harry Reid's 60 vote need. Thank God for his foresight. graham4anything Apr 2013 #1

There was nothing covert about what the NRA wanted. premium Apr 2013 #3

Sen. Schumer doesn't make any sense at all. premium Apr 2013 #2

Try reading the entire article, i.e., follow the link nt DonViejo Apr 2013 #4

I have read it and watched Schumer live. Premium's point still stands. X_Digger Apr 2013 #5

My husband couldn't prove a "need" HockeyMom Apr 2013 #37

Of course.. laws vary. In some states that have reciprocal agreements with my own.. X_Digger Apr 2013 #43

I did read the whole article premium Apr 2013 #6

Okay. Apologies to you premium... DonViejo Apr 2013 #8

Violent felons from Florida and North Carolina would be allowed to take loaded weapons onto NYC geek tragedy Apr 2013 #10

False, but great rhetoric! Recursion Apr 2013 #14

What part of it is false? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #18

Felons with restored rights are no longer felons Recursion Apr 2013 #21

Sure, to people who have passed NY standards, not the standards geek tragedy Apr 2013 #33

Felons have a constitutional right to gun permits in Louisiana. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #7

As far as FL, premium Apr 2013 #17

Why should New York be forced to bear the risk that they haven't fixed it? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #19

People who go to the trouble to get a CWP premium Apr 2013 #23

Metal detectors at NYC Landmark buildings HockeyMom Apr 2013 #28

If a NY permittee can't carry there, neither can an FL permittee Recursion Apr 2013 #36

Doesn't that also allow them to vote again? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #22

Yep, if you can vote, you can pack a hidden weapon. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #30

You're right. It takes 72. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #34

So now giving reformed felons back their civil rights is a bad thing? NickB79 Apr 2013 #39

Give them the right to vote? Sure. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #40

So, give back some civil rights but not all? NickB79 Apr 2013 #48

CCP is not a civil right. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #50

Of course it's a right to become physically dangerous NickB79 Apr 2013 #54

So, you think convicted rapists should get the right to CCP geek tragedy Apr 2013 #55

I feel they should be given long prison terms NickB79 Apr 2013 #56

Felons don't hurt anyone by voting. They do hurt people with guns. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #57

Voting kills? HockeyMom Apr 2013 #42

Of course voting kills NickB79 Apr 2013 #52

Alan Grayson supports this; I don't think it's fair to call it entirely right wing Recursion Apr 2013 #9

It's 100% stupid. We in New York City don't want violent felons from Gunland states geek tragedy Apr 2013 #11

Right, because that's what would happen Recursion Apr 2013 #13

Drunk asshole tourists in Times Square packing concealed weapons. What could go wrong? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #15

Carrying concealed while drunk is illegal Recursion Apr 2013 #16

They wouldn't be drunk when walking into the bar. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #25

It's illegal to drink while carrying concealed. And if you say they might do it anyways... Recursion Apr 2013 #26

Sure, but it's a crime to bring it into the state currently. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #29

No, it's not. You should learn your state's laws. Recursion Apr 2013 #31

Okay, it's illegal to bring the weapon into the state such that you can kill someone in 2 seconds geek tragedy Apr 2013 #32

You're contending that states with concealed carry laws premium Apr 2013 #20

States with strict gun laws have fewer firearm deaths than those with permissive ones. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #27

Thats not what I asked, premium Apr 2013 #35

The South is. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #38

So you're saying that the majority of firearms violence in the southern states premium Apr 2013 #41

Part of the larger effort to prioritize guns over human life. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #44

But, respectfully, that doesn't answer my question. premium Apr 2013 #45

Slippery slope. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #47

Maybe, maybe not, premium Apr 2013 #49

Once the gun is there, the rest of it is just technicalities. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #51

I fully agree with you about same sex marriage. premium Apr 2013 #53

Thats NOT what your link says. beevul Apr 2013 #60

A second look at the 10th Amendment? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #24

I felt safe in NYC because of the strict gun laws and now I feel smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #59

Why would I in NYC/NJ care what some Florida guy in Jeb's state cares about? graham4anything Apr 2013 #58

thank God the party of life has its priorities straight ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #12

Florida HockeyMom Apr 2013 #46