I don't suspect Charlton Heston. nt (Reply #4)

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Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:24 PM

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4. I don't suspect Charlton Heston. nt

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131 replies	Author	Time	Post
I will not apologize for suspecting those who advocate violence might be guilty of violence [View all]	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	OP
No need to apologize;	elleng	Apr 2013	#1
You should apologize. And you should feel bad.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#2
What is reactionary about suspecting people who promote violence?	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#5
They invite your suspicion because you want them to be the ones who did this.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#10
Your vehemence is odd and curious.	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#18
My "vehemence" stems from my impatience with disingenuous politicking in the OP.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#20
They are not equally suspicious in every case	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#23
We bomb their cities and kill their people. They have at least enough motivation.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#31
I do consider Islamic terrorists suspects too. The style doesn't quite match, but who knows.	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#37
Because "suspicion" is a dangerous word to throw around.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#42
What, will it explode or something?	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#44
Words as weapons. Suspicion is violent rhetoric.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#47
Please elaborate. What bad consequence will happen as a results of somebody publicly saying	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#50
Islamist Militants routinely use hydrogen peroxide bombs. This was a pressure cooker bomb.	Maraya1969	Apr 2013	#108
I'm not actually accusing Islamist militants of this attack.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#109
Wait now. Let's apply what you just said to the people who kill abortion providers and the ones who	Maraya1969	Apr 2013	#111
So when we find right-wing extremists who said we should bomb the Boston Marathon...	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#112
Just like the abortion place bombers don't make their plans out in the open neither did the people	Maraya1969	Apr 2013	#115
Yes there is evidence that this is a home grown right winged anti-tax group or person.	Maraya1969	Apr 2013	#110
Which facts are you referring to?	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#113
It was done in Boston. On Patriot's Day - a day to celebrate The begining of the revolutionary war	Maraya1969	Apr 2013	#116
So Tea Partiers blew up a group of marathon spectators to protest taxes...	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#117
Way to throw in a strawman in order to ignore the facts.	Maraya1969	Apr 2013	#124
Why target the marathon?	onenote	Apr 2013	#121
Militant Islamic terror organizations immediately claim credit for their acts of terror.	Ikonoklast	Apr 2013	#56
It's been 24 hours. You know nothing.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#60
I'll do as I please, I don't seek or need your permission.	Ikonoklast	Apr 2013	#64
This message was self-deleted by its author	Crabby Appleton	Apr 2013	#81
Why don't YOU STHU?	WinkyDink	Apr 2013	#93
No?	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#94
I'm with you, seems pretty obvious nt	Tumbulu	Apr 2013	#118
They are not the	840high	Apr 2013	#57
No they are not the only ones, but they are advocating violence	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#61
What if it was merely because it was a large crowd?	freshwest	Apr 2013	#107
reactionary	kardonb	Apr 2013	#88
Who's a reactionary?	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#7
Anybody who thinks they know who committed this attack with zero evidence.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#12
"Thinks they know" and "suspects" are NOT the same thing, you know that, don't you?	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#14
What is the difference, if you don't mind?	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#15
You DON'T know the difference? OK, I'll explain it to you verrrry slowly.	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#22
No, the OP suspects that right-wingers did this.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#28
Well, YES! Exactly! He DOES believe he might be wrong! Isn't that what rational people do?	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#33
No, he should not have stated supicion. You've finally figured out my point.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#40
What are you afraid of?	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#46
I'm afraid we are becoming that which we hate the most.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#49
Spare me the meaningless platitudes. What are you afraid of?	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#54
I am afraid we are giving into to the very vitriol and self-assuredness that the right practices.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#58
What's with the we?	ohheckyeah	Apr 2013	#119
it's not exactly rocket science: we have rw terrorists in this country	noiretextatique	Apr 2013	#126
He's right; you're wrong. He owes no one an apology, least of all the RW fascists	kestrel91316	Apr 2013	#39
Your concern is noted. n/t	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#86
You would have us lulled	cartach	Apr 2013	#100
Is that the best you can do? Accuse me of supporting right-wing extremists?	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#101
I agree and I don't want to be politically correct	Horse with no Name	Apr 2013	#3
Are you talking about	Bully Taw	Apr 2013	#74
I don't suspect Charlton Heston. nt	pintobean	Apr 2013	#4
I suspect the people that he got to cheer him	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#9
I think it's foolish to speculate at this point.	pintobean	Apr 2013	#16
Depends on the facts of the case	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#30
The senator targeted	leftynyc	Apr 2013	#122
Which is one of the main reasons that non-violent resistance is ultimately the only way out	99th_Monkey	Apr 2013	#6
The NRA made it impossible to trace ingredients used in explosives.	Lint Head	Apr 2013	#8
Not really true	mwrguy	Apr 2013	#27
Add anyone who talks about "second amendment solutions" when they lose elections.	baldguy	Apr 2013	#11
So, regardless of who is found to be behind this...	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#13
"Round up the usual suspects..."	pinboy3niner	Apr 2013	#19
I love your sig.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#21
I never said I won't retract, I said I won't apologize.	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#32
Is it OK for people to suspect groups that have declared a Jihad against the Great Satan,	Nye Bevan	Apr 2013	#17
Oh no, that's straight out. nt	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#24
I guess you're afraid to say...	jessie04	Apr 2013	#26
In a number of situations I would suspect them	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#36
Did you know the 1936 Arab Revolt in Palestine began on April 15th?	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#63
But one group in particular associates themselves with the site of the Boston Tea Party	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#67
However, Al-Qaeda has issued threats against sporting events before.	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#73
I won't deny a small chance that it might be Al Qaeda	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#75
Perhaps it was Anarchists?	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#78
What if it was the Easter Bunny?	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#83
But no good reason to be suspicious of any Islamist groups that have threatened violence...	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#87
Notice DU's resident NRA defenders have swarmed your thread posting right-wing talking points, but	apocalypsehow	Apr 2013	#25
Am I a resident NRA defender? Or are you merely attempting to marginalize dissent?	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#29
You're not really fooling anyone, know it? n/t.	apocalypsehow	Apr 2013	#34
In what way am I trying to fool people?	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#41
That's funny, there.	apocalypsehow	Apr 2013	#45
It's called black/white thinking	derby378	Apr 2013	#35
You, either.	apocalypsehow	Apr 2013	#38
You're extremely transparent. This country has seen far more terrorist attacks by	kestrel91316	Apr 2013	#48
I am not blaming anyone for these attacks. The bottom line is we simply don't know.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#53
BULLSHIT. Violence is destructive. Talking about it is not.	kestrel91316	Apr 2013	#65
Words can absolutely be violent and destructive.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#68
Speech that encourages violence is as bad as violence. Our speculation about	kestrel91316	Apr 2013	#85
I'm not so sure your speech is so innocent.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#95
+1,000. Pretty much nails it. n/t.	apocalypsehow	Apr 2013	#59
I'd go with marginalize dissent. nt	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#51
I really don't care who or what you are. You are trying to divert attention from the extreme right.	firenewt	Apr 2013	#52
No apology necessary. Of course these whacko right wing extremist groups are prime suspects	quinnox	Apr 2013	#43
ANYONE could do a false flag & blame PO for a false flag. Or it could be an entirely 3rd thing trian	patrice	Apr 2013	#55
So well stated and exactly how I see it	Tumbulu	Apr 2013	#62
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Apr 2013	#66
Suspect as much as you please.	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#69
2 posts and you are here defending right wing extremists?	RetroLounge	Apr 2013	#70
+1. n/t.	apocalypsehow	Apr 2013	#72
I reject violent rhetoric whether it comes from the left or right or anywhere in between.	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#71
I don't so much object, as find it interesting, that you come to DU and sound like Alex Jones.	MH1	Apr 2013	#77
Well....	humbled_opinion	Apr 2013	#76
Speculation doesn't require anything, as long as it is acknowledged as speculation.	MH1	Apr 2013	#82
True... but	humbled_opinion	Apr 2013	#92
I'm guessing it is an essentially apolitical severely psychotic- James Holmes-Colorado Shooting	Douglas Carpenter	Apr 2013	#79
That's one possible scenario	RZM	Apr 2013	#80
Could be...	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#89
I am with you. Do not apologize.	dothemath	Apr 2013	#84
Yes exactly. Look at what happened post 9/11.	Initech	Apr 2013	#97
No one is saying they are not people to watch	DonCoquixote	Apr 2013	#90
I personally am not too worried that the investigators will look the other way because of my post	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#120
of course, this kind of violence is a by a product of the gun culture no matter where it originated	bowens43	Apr 2013	#91
It's not just gun culture though. It's our overall culture of violence.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2013	#96
What a horrible comment.	Llewlladdwr	Apr 2013	#98
.	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2013	#106
What a load of crap	leftynyc	Apr 2013	#123
Much like...	bobclark86	Apr 2013	#99
Alex Jones? Please.	Bjorn Against	Apr 2013	#105
You pissed off the gun-bunnies! That means you touched a nerve!	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#102
I'm inclined to agree with you, Bjorn Against...	ReRe	Apr 2013	#103
You have every cause to be suspicious of the right wing	meanit	Apr 2013	#104
yes, you have cause to be suspicious	Bully Taw	Apr 2013	#131
Larger issue: Suspicion is useless and potentially harmful...	VOX	Apr 2013	#114
I lean toward some rw group/person doing this	deutsey	Apr 2013	#125
Kick	Nye Bevan	Apr 2013	#127
So...........about that theory.............. nt.	TimberValley	Apr 2013	#128
Ted Nuggent!	Macoy51	Apr 2013	#129
well...	Bully Taw	Apr 2013	#130

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