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41. You're not.

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:01 PM

Apr 2013

'frazzled' wrote, elsewhere, and I agree:

'I haven't jumped on the OMG thing about chained CPI because I knew the Republicans would never agree to new tax revenues in this context. I sincerely believe Obama did too, when he proposed it. I DO think he believes that a Grand Bargain is what we need to get long-term stability and just put all this behind us so we can focus on other things the government needs to do. But he is not naive about negotiating with Republicans.

This is what we call theatrics. He tried again to show them (and the country) that he'd be willing to make some extremely painful concessions if they would do the same on their side. They were never going to do it. They become the obstructionists.'

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I can't believe I am watching a Democratic president propose serious cuts to Social Security. [View all] Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 OP

"The Grand Betrayal" quinnox Apr 2013 #1

The problem is that . . . aggiesal Apr 2013 #56

Not!! Reducing future increases is not "cutting" benefits. No benefit will be less than it is now. kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #58

I don't think you understand what I'm saying . . . aggiesal Apr 2013 #59

When inflation grows at a higher rate... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #81

If COLA is $50/month, and Medicare goes up $60/month, it goddam fucking well IS a cut! n/t eridani Apr 2013 #82

you cannot poosibly believe that Skittles Apr 2013 #85

I stand corrected . . . aggiesal Apr 2013 #69

Only Nixon could go to China n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #2

and only a Democrat could have passed mandatory corporate health insurance green for victory Apr 2013 #9

Exactly. It's pretty disheartening. Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #3

I can PD Turk Apr 2013 #4

I've had a sinking feeling that Bill was very prescient regarding this. Cooley Hurd Apr 2013 #39

Hicks ...one of my heroes SHRED Apr 2013 #53

How is that possible? HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #5

A kick in the gut isn't it. Autumn Apr 2013 #6

check this out AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #7

This really should be an OP. woo me with science Apr 2013 #13

Posted the Video on the front page.. AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #15

Excellent. Thank you. woo me with science Apr 2013 #24

He breaks it down so well.. AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #30

+1 needs to be an OP leftstreet Apr 2013 #19

Its posted now in GD AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #23

Bill Clinton's worst ideas came from triangulation--which is just a fancy word for Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #8

Yes, and compromising requires letting go of principles that impede concession HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #12

triangulation is not compromise, it is co-optation noiretextatique Apr 2013 #14

I know how they packaged it to sell it. But I'm not fooled by that anymore. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #22

No. Triangulation is NOT "compromise". bvar22 Apr 2013 #37

Thank you for that correction. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #38

Well said. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #47

We have a Democrat in the White House? 99Forever Apr 2013 #10

Depends on what the definition of Democrat is hfojvt Apr 2013 #29

Thanks hfojvt. 99Forever Apr 2013 #34

He's no Democrat and never has been. Peregrine Took Apr 2013 #11

And the Secretively done TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) dubbed Nafta KoKo Apr 2013 #31

One of his staunchest supporters here made the claim he HAD to lie cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #32

is that the official BOGroupie position? Skittles Apr 2013 #70

I had to read that one a couple times. n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #74

it must be 100-dimensional chess by now Skittles Apr 2013 #84

I really wanted to get on the Obama bandwagon back in '08 deutsey Apr 2013 #48

A simple look at the man's record and statements would have told you clear back in 2008 duffyduff Apr 2013 #16

I never thought I'd see this day, either n/t OhioChick Apr 2013 #17

What do you mean "never"? duffyduff Apr 2013 #20

The genius of the neolibs who control both political parties is duffyduff Apr 2013 #18

People better inundate Congress members of both parties with emails and letters duffyduff Apr 2013 #21

Everyone chill the fuck out Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #25

I'm shocked at your disbelief. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #26

why the heck not? hfojvt Apr 2013 #27

George Carlin was right. Brigid Apr 2013 #28

My friend -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #33

Exactly, Hell Hath No Fury Carolina Apr 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Apr 2013 #35

As if Boehner will agree to additional taxes on the wealthy Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #36

Bonehead, of course. Brigid Apr 2013 #40

Of course Boehner rejected it ... Myrina Apr 2013 #54

You're not. elleng Apr 2013 #41

Threatening concessions that will be painful to the elderly is twisted Dragonfli Apr 2013 #52

This sort of "theatrics" as it is being called by some ... CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #64

Theatrics? What became of 'No Drama Obama'? Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #83

What's so hard to believe? infidel dog Apr 2013 #42

HAHA! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #46

he's worse than a jellyfish Carolina Apr 2013 #67

Sweet Jesus, what is it? Oilwellian Apr 2013 #72

He's not. He's just pretending to drive the car off the cliff to get the kids in the back to behave, Brickbat Apr 2013 #43

Social Security Does Not Contribute One Nickel to the Deficit! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #44

Sad. 840high Apr 2013 #45

We win and still lose n/t hibbing Apr 2013 #49

Extremely lame for several reasons. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #50

Then let's start making it more and more impossible for him to do so! calimary Apr 2013 #51

Nothing but a bluff ? Raggaemon Apr 2013 #55

A bluff makes Obama a dishonest negotiator... that's not a valuable attribute HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #60

Strikes me as a very, very, risky bluff. TimberValley Apr 2013 #61

Where are the usual suspects defending it? n-t Logical Apr 2013 #57

BO lied CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #62

Why wont a democrat president MFM008 Apr 2013 #63

He did say during the campaign that his position on Social Security was similar to Romney's. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #65

Gee ...I'm not seeing the usual gang of worshippers. I wonder why. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #68

all too busy rehearsing their talking points bobduca Apr 2013 #73

the last time I posted on a thread like this ... CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #75

Excellent. FDR is my most respected and favorite POTUS. I wish we could clone him. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #76

What Democratic President? Cleita Apr 2013 #71

Make that a small d. Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #77

Don't believe your lying eyes n/t Duer 157099 Apr 2013 #78

I am completely disgusted. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #79

It is still MOMFUDSKI Apr 2013 #80

There is no justification, no rationale, no "bluff" that excuses it. DirkGently Apr 2013 #86