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This is one hell of a big PR mess... Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #1
PR? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #18
Public Relations. Read the pro-Nuclear takes on the accidents at Fukushima and Chernobyl... Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #23
And right here on DU Warpy Apr 2013 #129
Opinions vary. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #179
I'm not talking about a difference of opinion Warpy Apr 2013 #198
Imagine what Chernobyl.did to children. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #2
Lots of peer-reviewed studies say more that a million.. Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #4
I'm surprised the hand waving hasn't already began madokie Apr 2013 #6
Right again Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #38
I engaged the content of the publication caraher Apr 2013 #50
Quoting you to you kristopher Apr 2013 #144
OK, you're right, this sub-thread isn't about the content of the paper caraher Apr 2013 #166
I'll repeat the same point I've made to you many times before kristopher Apr 2013 #173
Outrage? caraher Apr 2013 #197
Anonymous discussion is filled with pitfalls... kristopher Apr 2013 #202
LOL, did you even read the post? You people seem to think.... Logical Apr 2013 #116
The OP *IS* the hand waving. FBaggins Apr 2013 #60
oh look, it's Mr. "nothing to see here, move along please..." CreekDog Apr 2013 #120
Nope FBaggins Apr 2013 #126
Not only that.. RobertEarl Apr 2013 #131
Do you understand what a 28% rise in CH means? caseymoz Apr 2013 #154
You are the only one panicing RobertEarl Apr 2013 #181
She's right. kristopher Apr 2013 #191
Hi kris RobertEarl Apr 2013 #192
Me? After I've seen estimates of 1.8 million deaths . . . caseymoz Apr 2013 #194
Of course the % is correct RobertEarl Apr 2013 #195
I'm not the only one questioning you RobertEarl Apr 2013 #196
Keep doing the math Generic Other Apr 2013 #205
100 out of every million = 1/10,000 Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #212
Ack you're right my math sucks Generic Other Apr 2013 #215
It's still a lot Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #216
Now I just worry about the Korean kid Generic Other Apr 2013 #217
North Korea seems to harbor a special animosity towards Japan Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #218
Nope FBaggins Apr 2013 #56
Increased radiation levels were measured from Chernobyl as far away as Florida davidn3600 Apr 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Apr 2013 #17
Elena bikes thru Chernobyl - a look at Chernobyl today womanofthehills Apr 2013 #140
I remember her. She confessed to faking the pics Generic Other Apr 2013 #201
Kinda like dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #3
There has been so much suffering from depleted uranium, and other chemicals loudsue Apr 2013 #39
probably 99% of sickness is environmental and dietary Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #40
You are most likely correct IMHO. loudsue Apr 2013 #41
+1 gazillion valerief Apr 2013 #151
Shit. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #5
I was at a talk given by Dr. Helen Caldicutt PuraVidaDreamin Apr 2013 #7
What does that mean: "inhaled hot particles at a 1 in 5 ratio"? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #20
Particulate matter PuraVidaDreamin Apr 2013 #90
Interesting. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #92
She's a long-retired pediatrician FBaggins Apr 2013 #85
And you are? PuraVidaDreamin Apr 2013 #88
By comparison, yes. FBaggins Apr 2013 #93
What exactly do you find so ridiculous? PuraVidaDreamin Apr 2013 #96
Goodness... where to start. FBaggins Apr 2013 #99
What are your credentials? PuraVidaDreamin Apr 2013 #109
Ten fingers and ten toes. FBaggins Apr 2013 #111
Stop kidding yourself Generic Other Apr 2013 #204
Well ... she is an expert in pediatrics and has been studying radiation for quite some time. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #95
Not even that. No. FBaggins Apr 2013 #97
An active practice isn't the basis for being an expert. kristopher Apr 2013 #146
She fails by any other standard as well. FBaggins Apr 2013 #157
I notice that she has a handful of anti-nuclear letters in scientific journals. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #167
You are the last person in the world to accept an opinion from kristopher Apr 2013 #172
do you have an example? It would save me an hour of watching the YouTube video. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #165
even most laymen understand that skin cancer comes from to much sun. Sunlei Apr 2013 #101
So? FBaggins Apr 2013 #103
"Don't worry about the radiation"???? roomtomove Apr 2013 #125
Did you quote so far out of context intentionally? FBaggins Apr 2013 #159
Respectfully, her claim is flat out ridiculous. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #134
For the sake of fairness, the other side MAD Dave Apr 2013 #8
Industry Propaganda To Create Illusion Of Credibility cantbeserious Apr 2013 #9
Well, coal really is dirty and deadly. And if our only choice was dirty coal or nuclear.... Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #10
Pragmatist MAD Dave Apr 2013 #11
Nuclear Energy is the solution to the energy crisis just like caviar is the solution to world hunger Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #12
+1000 nt LiberalEsto Apr 2013 #13
Cut out the massive taxpayer subsidies that nuclear has gotten, and is getting, and you'd find byeya Apr 2013 #14
Economic analyses don't support that contention. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #22
Are you kidding me? Even the CEO of GE says nuclear is not economic. Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #27
good article, plus we can generate gas from our waste with Plasma gasification. Sunlei Apr 2013 #47
Yes they do. kristopher Apr 2013 #147
Have you looked at this at all? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #164
Yes. kristopher Apr 2013 #174
So, you were aware of Junkdrawer's post, but decided to repeat it? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #175
"An" economic analysis? kristopher Apr 2013 #177
You first. Post your data, and I will follow. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #178
Please don't try to make this into some sort of game. kristopher Apr 2013 #183
No, I said that economic analyses did not support the notion... Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #187
I thought the caviar phrasing was apt. kristopher Apr 2013 #190
I agree. And it is far to risky. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #26
Fine. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #148
Mining uranium is dirty womanofthehills Apr 2013 #45
bullshit Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #21
Read The Article - Have Seen Similar In My Engineering Career cantbeserious Apr 2013 #30
I read the article before replying to you. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #35
do some research roomtomove Apr 2013 #123
So, you want me to do research by reading anti-nuke propaganda? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #130
That's research? roomtomove Apr 2013 #136
Did you read the article in C&E News in the opening comment of this subthread? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #161
I've worked with young Navajo kids dying from bone cancer womanofthehills Apr 2013 #139
I think you and I are not discussing the same issue. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #163
Yes, you can't be serious or haven't read the article. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #24
Read The Article And Don't Agree cantbeserious Apr 2013 #29
And your opinion is worth exactly as much time as you put into defending it: nothing, in this case. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #33
"eom" means "end of messsage." Like "nt" (no text), tblue37 Apr 2013 #124
All those who say bullshit: read the article. The highly respected Jim Hansen participated. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #28
Excellent response. Thank you for taking the time. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #36
You are quite welcome. I love DU when people get into analysis and reasoned debate. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #37
You have your facts wrong and you don't grasp the economics at work kristopher Apr 2013 #149
You have your reading comprehension wrong & you don't grasp I said nothing in favour of nuclear. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #169
Would you explain where I misread your meaning, please? kristopher Apr 2013 #180
Sure Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #182
That part was clear. kristopher Apr 2013 #184
... because we are not Denmark and the Republicans are not Denmarkian, for starters. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #185
Renewable capacity is growing by leaps and bounds kristopher Apr 2013 #188
+1, except I'd use "cost trendline" instead of "learning curve". nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #189
Yes, Bernardo RobertEarl Apr 2013 #193
But renewable non-carbon is just not going to pick up all the slack in the next 37 years??? roomtomove Apr 2013 #127
Aside from thyroid problems, those with high doses in Japan will be susceptible to Dustlawyer Apr 2013 #16
Nope FBaggins Apr 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Apr 2013 #19
I think people pretty much know that potential dangers. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #25
From what i read in the E&E group from some of the posters darkangel218 Apr 2013 #32
You can understand the danger and still support nuclear. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #44
Contain the waste only? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #64
Worst case scenario at present nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #68
Well, now... Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #71
Yes, anywhere and anytime. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #75
"contain the waste"????? roomtomove Apr 2013 #133
He'll be long gone RobertEarl Apr 2013 #137
You do realize that one of the biggest problems in Fukushima... Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #162
where were you living?? Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Apr 2013 #43
I kept my nephews inside nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #53
Oh My - so Nadin was correct malaise Apr 2013 #31
I will have to read this thread nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #48
No, she wasn't... SidDithers Apr 2013 #55
These researchers are, at best, on the scientific fringe caraher Apr 2013 #34
Researchers with a history of misusing data... SidDithers Apr 2013 #46
Yeah, I guessed it would be those 2; I think they're more dishonest than Andrew Wakefield muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #49
Off-topic aside you might wish to consider. proverbialwisdom Apr 2013 #91
All about genes; nothing about vaccines; that doesn't vindicate Wakefield in the slightest muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #98
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #118
Are Sherman and Mangano as dishonest as the MIT Nuclear Dept researchers? kristopher Apr 2013 #145
No... they're many times as dishonest. FBaggins Apr 2013 #155
The MIT researchers did nothing more than pass along industry claims uncritically. kristopher Apr 2013 #176
The journal is peer reviewed. kristopher Apr 2013 #142
And the peer review consists of... SidDithers Apr 2013 #168
Apparently you know nothing of the process you are criticizing. kristopher Apr 2013 #203
Peer review so judicious, the same company accepted a paper generated by a random text generator... SidDithers Apr 2013 #206
A fictional web posting about a fictional academic at a fictional academic institution? kristopher Apr 2013 #209
... SidDithers Apr 2013 #210
You've shown nothing. kristopher Apr 2013 #211
Hilarious... SidDithers Apr 2013 #213
Sid, your criticisms are on a par with a witch hunt kristopher Apr 2013 #214
Yeah, that's what I thought... SidDithers Apr 2013 #219
I don't know precisely why... kristopher Apr 2013 #220
It's a nice big article about correlation with enough science-y terms to make people think it's Brickbat Apr 2013 #54
"At best" indeed FBaggins Apr 2013 #58
thank you for taking the time to explain this Kali Apr 2013 #78
The pediatrics paper is published in an open journal where you pay to get published. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #94
That is not at all unusual and says nothing about the quality of the publication. kristopher Apr 2013 #143
Plenty of bullets already upthread: data cherry picking is a big one. Bogus paper. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #170
How many of them are, like the one you made here, false? kristopher Apr 2013 #171
yes, I prefer to get my information from the consensus of the scientific community as a whole. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #121
very science-y cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #51
If those kids ate their daily bananas nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #52
And if their moms had just laid in a supply of aseptic milk as directed.... Brother Buzz Apr 2013 #61
The use and proliferation of nuclear energy/weapons will prove to be the stupidest endeavor Zorra Apr 2013 #59
I don't flipping believe it Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #62
The researchers have a history of misusing statistics... SidDithers Apr 2013 #70
I saw it, but in their defense Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #72
"lowered intelligence" = future hot spots for the GOP. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #63
Interesting. So my granddaughter was in kindergarten in Germany when Chernobyl happened. Does that jwirr Apr 2013 #65
Yes its possible. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #66
Yup, she was also much closer nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #67
It's certainly possible... but unlikely. FBaggins Apr 2013 #74
My co-worker was studying in the Netherlands during that disaster malaise Apr 2013 #117
Talked with her mother and it seems that three generations have this problem. Grandma was never near jwirr Apr 2013 #122
Anyone who has studied radiobiology felix_numinous Apr 2013 #69
Of course they would be surprised. FBaggins Apr 2013 #73
There definitely is a link felix_numinous Apr 2013 #76
SOME thyroid diseases... and some amounts of exposure. FBaggins Apr 2013 #77
There is a link felix_numinous Apr 2013 #79
Nope. FBaggins Apr 2013 #81
Certainly time will tell felix_numinous Apr 2013 #82
Why are you doing this? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #83
Very simple FBaggins Apr 2013 #84
How am i being irrational? by purchasing a gieger counter, which i shouldve bought a long time ago? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #86
Among other things... yes. FBaggins Apr 2013 #87
Did i say that was the reason i bought it for? lmao! darkangel218 Apr 2013 #89
Yes... you did. FBaggins Apr 2013 #100
You obviously read this thread too, and saw i talked about Chernobyl and how unsafe nuclear plants darkangel218 Apr 2013 #102
You think anyone bought that? FBaggins Apr 2013 #104
There are a hundred or more power plants in the US and many more all over the world. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #106
Was that supposed to be a response? FBaggins Apr 2013 #107
Im not deflecting anything. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #108
Lol! How creative. FBaggins Apr 2013 #110
Bye bye. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #112
And you're entertaining me. FBaggins Apr 2013 #113
I feel sorry for Fb also RobertEarl Apr 2013 #114
Still can't debate without those strawmen, eh? FBaggins Apr 2013 #115
It is here RobertEarl Apr 2013 #119
Lol! I would have hidden the post too.. FBaggins Apr 2013 #160
The highest possible exposure on the West coast is thousands of times lower????????? roomtomove Apr 2013 #128
How entertaining. FBaggins Apr 2013 #158
But surely any effect is dose-dependent caraher Apr 2013 #80
How do you know the levels of exposure with any degree of confidence? kristopher Apr 2013 #150
Are you falling for Arnie's nonsense our spreading your own? FBaggins Apr 2013 #156
Fukushimi proves we are all connected lovuian Apr 2013 #105
Not to downplay Fukushima but how could this even be POSSIBLE? Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #132
Scary isn't it? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #135
The scary thing is that people are buying this. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #207
Whoa, dude RobertEarl Apr 2013 #208
It's a small world after all.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #138
NOAA video tracking Fukushima Radioactive Aerosol Dispersion kristopher Apr 2013 #141
You sir, are one of the DU's best treasures. chknltl Apr 2013 #152
Which means, instead of 4 in 10,000 births caseymoz Apr 2013 #153
The great "middle" kristopher Apr 2013 #186
Are you saying you should go by the tone and not the substance? caseymoz Apr 2013 #199
For science, you don't go by how it sounds. That would be... propaganda. kristopher Apr 2013 #200
Good website for this topic also marions ghost Apr 2013 #221
I had been dreading this...... MzShellG Apr 2013 #222
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