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35. No problem, and thanks for posting this thread (nt)

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‘Illegal immigrant’ no more [View all] Starry Messenger Apr 2013 OP

So what's the appropriate noun to describe these people? ZOB Apr 2013 #1

Probably not "these people"... LooseWilly Apr 2013 #2

Sensitive much? ZOB Apr 2013 #17

"Obviously" ... now who's being much-sensitive? LooseWilly Apr 2013 #43

I don't look to "Tropic Thunder" for language lessons. ZOB Apr 2013 #49

Obviously you don't look to "Tropic Thunder" for language lessons... and it shows. LooseWilly Apr 2013 #54

If you drive without an operator's license, you ARE an "illegal driver". ZOB Apr 2013 #55

If you read "speed" as "drive without an operator's license" I can see why you insist on simplicity LooseWilly Apr 2013 #64

Speeding does not make you an "illegal driver". Murder does not make you an "illegal immigrant". ZOB Apr 2013 #65

It looks like ZOB won't be back anytime soon. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #66

I tried to show him the wisdom of "Tropic Thunder"... but he wouldn't listen LooseWilly Apr 2013 #70

I don't think people are quite his thing. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #71

I can't wait for the news media to start reporting on... alp227 Apr 2013 #78

Uninvited Extended Stay Guest NightWatcher Apr 2013 #3

A little wordy, but as good a name as any, I guess. ZOB Apr 2013 #19

Yes. Iggo Apr 2013 #51

"So what's the appropriate noun to describe these people?" UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #52

ICE still uses that term & "illegal alien", while DHS uses "unauthorized immigrant" alp227 Apr 2013 #77

More gobbledegook so we will all sound like politicians campaigning, with the effect that no one can RC Apr 2013 #4

Or not have to read racist news stories. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #5

What does race have to do with this? Nothing. RC Apr 2013 #9

History is passing you by. Too bad. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #10

What are we supposed to call them? Criminals? RC Apr 2013 #11

Here's a start: Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #12

Which goes back to my original question in my first post. RC Apr 2013 #15

I think AP covers that in the rest of the story at the link. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #18

I did read it. RC Apr 2013 #22

I guess you could email them for clarification. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #24

This might be part of the problem. RC Apr 2013 #26

They are writing stories with better description. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #28

Don't bother LittleBlue Apr 2013 #41

Well you would certainly know what that feels like n/t RZM Apr 2013 #42

You mean watching a small section of racist speech end? Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #45

Well, that certainly is a well reasoned comment... and ironic coming from a "historian" LooseWilly Apr 2013 #47

Gosh, six hours later and no snappy comeback. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #72

+100. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #30

By your flawed reasoning... TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #7

There's always some pushback when you take away a widely used slur. Iggo Apr 2013 #67

But Immigration & Customs Enforcement still uses "illegal immigrant" and "illegal alien". alp227 Apr 2013 #79

By your logic, if I sped to get "here" then I am "not here legally", so I am "an illegal" LooseWilly Apr 2013 #57

gee, it sucks not being able to use hate speech datasuspect Apr 2013 #81

Yeah, so instead of using simple descriptive words, we use long gobbledegook sentences RC Apr 2013 #83

Good! "Illegal" should not be used to describe a person whether they have broken driving laws pampango Apr 2013 #6

Yes. The depersonalizing term is connected to the rise of hate crimes against Latinos. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #8

Seems like a half measure StrayKat Apr 2013 #13

It's part of a broader change to their entire Stylebook. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #16

Well, it sort of does. StrayKat Apr 2013 #20

That would be cool. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #23

How about ... Babel_17 Apr 2013 #25

I'm not sure. StrayKat Apr 2013 #33

Editors in the media, from college newspapers to ... the AP, use the stylebook as Law LooseWilly Apr 2013 #48

How about, "Unconfirmed" Babel_17 Apr 2013 #14

They go into detail at the end on what terminology they intend to use Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #21

"someone in a country without permission" isn't going to cut it, imo Babel_17 Apr 2013 #31

I'm not sure what to tell you. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #34

No problem, and thanks for posting this thread (nt) Babel_17 Apr 2013 #35

My pleasure. :) nt. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #37

I don't think it'll be a big problem for most writers... unless they're simply limited by space. LooseWilly Apr 2013 #50

Nice examples. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #53

How about "Chris McSmith, who lives in ...... won the powerball" SoCalDem Apr 2013 #75

You present a fine point... though I wrote that lede to specifically make it a relevant point. LooseWilly Apr 2013 #76

Even tax implications are no one's business but the giver & the receiver SoCalDem Apr 2013 #80

Heh, maybe we should just do away with the media entirely and all entertain each other with lively LooseWilly Apr 2013 #82

A person cannot be 'illegal', an action can Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #27

I agree. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #29

The worst is when people simply say 'illegals' Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #40

I was amazed too, I don't watch TV Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #44

If you're in a country illegally, are you actually an 'immigrant'? War Horse Apr 2013 #32

I think that it depends on how long you plan on staying. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #36

Gotcha :) War Horse Apr 2013 #39

So they'll stop talking about illegal guns then? kudzu22 Apr 2013 #38

The first line of the story says "people" Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #46

Crack is not an action either... LooseWilly Apr 2013 #59

No matter how many times the Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #56

You'll have to take that up with AP. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #58

and when you dont have a lot of space? Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #60

AP seems to be of the reasoned opinion that the pixels will not be too crowded. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #61

it all boils down to Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #62

I'm sure they'll take that under advisement. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #63

Wow. The ultimate in political correctness. Deeming a term offensive without naming a replacement. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #68

Hmm. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #69

It's not political correctness, in the context of the AP style guide, to "nix" a term LooseWilly Apr 2013 #73

One option would be to just use a person's name SoCalDem Apr 2013 #74