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GreenStormCloud

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16. Rampagers plan their killing sprees well in advance.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:42 PM
Apr 2013

They will get guns, no matter what laws you pass. You live in a fantasy world if you think that a person who is planning to kill dozens will be detered because he will have to break a lesser law in order to break our most sacred law. In the real world you are faced with two alternatives, 1) An armed, trained person to rapidly confront the rampager, 2) Let the rampager kill until minutes later the cops arrive with guns. Those are your real world choices.

What does school break-ins have to do with anything? The armed staffer would carry concealed.

Absolutely groundbreaking work sharp_stick Apr 2013 #1
Actually, it'd be easier to just bring a gun than overpower a school employee ZOB Apr 2013 #2
It would make it easier to overpower the staff liberal N proud Apr 2013 #4
Actually, no. ZOB Apr 2013 #5
If you have a gun, the shooter comes in the building, knowing you have that gun... liberal N proud Apr 2013 #6
IF the rampager knows which staffer is carrying. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #7
I agree that the armed staff member might be a target. ZOB Apr 2013 #8
The surest, quickest thing schools could do would be to get rid of all the damn glass. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #45
We're capable of designing more secure schools but, yes, it's costly. ZOB Apr 2013 #49
If/when, these are actually the easy areas. Recess, outdoor play, not so much. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #57
Especially when school funding is cut by Republicans. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #75
Will quit teaching before I carry. callous taoboy Apr 2013 #3
If it is so easy to overpower an armed person, why do cops carry guns? GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #9
So we should have cops as teachers? liberal N proud Apr 2013 #11
Staffers, not teachers, are to be armed. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #13
Nothin says fear me sharp_stick Apr 2013 #18
What is stupid about a trained, armed staffer? GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #20
Yup cause the only sharp_stick Apr 2013 #21
So your solution is let the rampager keep killing. N/T GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #22
Your love of your precious has demented tabasco Apr 2013 #36
Your personal attack does not count for a rebuttal. N/T GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #37
Then I shall point out your failure in logic tabasco Apr 2013 #85
That still isn't a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #88
Pretty weak straw man sharp_stick Apr 2013 #87
You haven't offered a solution. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #89
Yes I have, just not here sharp_stick Apr 2013 #90
My wife is an office staffer in an elementary school. She would not ever madinmaryland Apr 2013 #42
My wife and I are 67 & 66. We both work as security guards. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #55
Congratulations on being security guards and enjoying handling firearms. As to your questions... madinmaryland Apr 2013 #62
Well for one thing do you even know where schools are getting custodians these days? MichiganVote Apr 2013 #46
Staffers, not custodians. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #56
Other than school admin. the only staffers are teachers nowadays. So say Teachers. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #58
School admin are staffers. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #61
Well you mentioned office staff in an earlier response. Most of them are women in their 50's MichiganVote Apr 2013 #63
They wouldn't watch the door. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #65
The first few shots in any school would likely be at the office staff, who would probably just die. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #66
And not having a gun would enable them to live? GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #69
Armed guards were at columbine, and at va tech... Neither stopped the slaughter. peacebird Apr 2013 #52
The Columbine guard wasn't there. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #60
"abilities only seen in ninja movies" rdharma Apr 2013 #80
I call BS on NRA research regarding former police officers volunteering... Mike Daniels Apr 2013 #10
The NRA is more about greed than the Second Amendment liberal N proud Apr 2013 #14
Then there is the issue of insurance liability. That will cost. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #25
Those who can be counted on for effective security...... rdharma Apr 2013 #81
In the same report the NRA suggested: GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #12
Seriously, don't defend the NRA logic. ellisonz Apr 2013 #15
Rampagers plan their killing sprees well in advance. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #16
"They will get guns, no matter what laws you pass." ellisonz Apr 2013 #17
Common sense. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #19
You're The One Who Thinks Guns Are "Magical Items." Paladin Apr 2013 #23
So letting the rampager keep killing is a solution, according to you. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #24
I guess you're beyond the point..... Paladin Apr 2013 #40
Sure. And while we're at it, let's limit the # of bullets the killer can spew on everyone. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #29
The VT killer used standard magazines. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #32
So in actuality, your solution is just to do nothing. Just let the kids take care of themselves MichiganVote Apr 2013 #33
These rampagers ignore "gun free zone" laws. beevul Apr 2013 #34
But how do you know that of all the schools in this country, these laws are ignored MichiganVote Apr 2013 #38
Really? beevul Apr 2013 #44
So called law abiding citizens with guns violate the laws too with and without MichiganVote Apr 2013 #48
Did anyone say they didn't? beevul Apr 2013 #51
"Comparative little security has been added"..on that we agree. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #54
We aren't so far apart as it may have seemed. beevul Apr 2013 #67
No problem. I can tell you what I am for certain-anti bad gun owners. And there are a lot of them. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #78
Mother Jones destroys yet another gunfucker talking point.. frylock Apr 2013 #39
Thats nice, but its a strawman. beevul Apr 2013 #47
They sure didn't pay any attention to the "gun free zone" signs, did they? GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #72
what's a "guns allowed" place? frylock Apr 2013 #74
Any place that doesn't have a no-guns sign. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #82
My solution is a trained, armed person at the school. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #35
Who will pay for this new requirement? XRubicon Apr 2013 #41
So prove the merits of your solution with data. You need evidence. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #43
Those are fair questions. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #73
Thank you. But for the record I'm not an anti-gunner. I am opposed to AR-15's or their MichiganVote Apr 2013 #77
They might get them now because of you guys, but in future it will be tougher. Hoyt Apr 2013 #59
IN case you've missed it, the public won't even pay enuf' for books in schools today MichiganVote Apr 2013 #28
This will be paid for by either cutting teachers pay, eliminating neverforget Apr 2013 #84
Teachers throughout the country are taking pay cuts, positions have been cut, MichiganVote Apr 2013 #86
The answer to every question etherealtruth Apr 2013 #26
More guns = more profits. moondust Apr 2013 #31
GREAT idea - what could possibly go wrong? jmg257 Apr 2013 #27
The NRA has turned a corner ... on sucking. DirkGently Apr 2013 #30
Dumb fucking idea!.... Bigmack Apr 2013 #50
Next up: Theaters, malls, moondust Apr 2013 #53
who the fuck are they to recommend anything to anybody spanone Apr 2013 #64
LOD is destroying these clowns on the The Last Word. bluedigger Apr 2013 #68
Yes, yes he is. Hutchinson wouldn't say how much he's being paid. ellisonz Apr 2013 #70
THAT IS JUST FUCKING INSANE........ fucking eh! n/t Hotler Apr 2013 #71
I'm a teacher, not a soldier. nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #76
The NRA needs to die. Apophis Apr 2013 #79
Not I. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #83
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