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Marrah_G

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24. Wait...aren't we broke?

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:50 PM

Mar 2013

So broke that we have to cut all sorts of money to help our citizens who are struggling to survive?

I think they should have to have a bake sale and raffle to raise the money for their renovations.

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Four years after Obama promised to close Guantanamo Bay, $195.7 million renovation in works [View all] dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 OP

What Changed? n/t Wilms Mar 2013 #1

Congress. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #23

Yes let's blame Congress. It's like the president didnt know when he made the promise rhett o rick Mar 2013 #69

The commander in chief cannot do squat if one of branches of government cstanleytech Mar 2013 #71

Unless he would like to kill a wedding party somewhere, then he does so on a whim Dragonfli Mar 2013 #81

The Constitution gives absolute power in spending to Congress jeff47 Mar 2013 #86

Might wanna save your breath as at this point its clear some people cstanleytech Mar 2013 #110

I really don't mind pointing out to them that they're wrong. Over and over again. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #118

prisoners of war fall within the "absolute power" you claim he has when he dons his war king persona Dragonfli Mar 2013 #112

No, they don't. jeff47 Mar 2013 #117

If he is "GOD OF WAR" with such awesome war power, just how are prisoners of war not part of war? Dragonfli Mar 2013 #122

Because, again, military and financial power are different things. jeff47 Mar 2013 #124

From your link rhett o rick Mar 2013 #82

Its called the power of the purse for a reason rhett as they could do the same cstanleytech Mar 2013 #128

There is nothing stopping the president from moving the prisoners to another prison other than rhett o rick Mar 2013 #134

Incorrect rhett. As I have pointed out congress can repeat what they cstanleytech Mar 2013 #137

That's nuts. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #2

He tried, He really tried. jazzimov Mar 2013 #3

The vote did go down in flames 96-4, but throwing $200Million at it is absurd. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #4

He promised to TRY, not knowing the Repugs would obstruct larkrake Mar 2013 #5

there is a naval base there dsc Mar 2013 #6

Some people will believe anything, I never fell for that campaign lie, but I did fall for others Dragonfli Mar 2013 #7

Sorry, your post reeks of low information. Cha Mar 2013 #9

Like I said some people will believe anything, like Obama "never mentioned chained CPI" Dragonfli Mar 2013 #18

Keep digging and Cha Mar 2013 #37

You didn't deny any of that, you know. Occulus Mar 2013 #56

Bingo. 99Forever Mar 2013 #70

The lie is that it's Obama keeping it open jeff47 Mar 2013 #10

I missed the veto attempt, silly me, I thought his party was providing him cover Dragonfli Mar 2013 #20

It passed by a veto-proof majority. jeff47 Mar 2013 #62

I blame congress with providing him the cover he wanted to look like "he tried" Dragonfli Mar 2013 #73

We don't live in a monarchy, as much as you'd like to. jeff47 Mar 2013 #87

You completely ignored the part where he does claim such power Dragonfli Mar 2013 #111

No, you are still conflating two different powers jeff47 Mar 2013 #116

Sure thing, whatever you need to tell yourself to be able to look at yourself in the mirror Dragonfli Mar 2013 #119

I'm not asking you to believe a lie. I'm asking you to accept reality. jeff47 Mar 2013 #121

"There you go again", in my best Reagan voice, catapulting the propaganda. Dragonfli Mar 2013 #135

Thank you Dragonfli MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #126

Thank you, jeff. Some people just can't face Cha Mar 2013 #38

This is about doing exactly the opposite of spending money to close it. progressoid Mar 2013 #41

You haven't heard, he can't because the Republicans are making Democrats make him go along Dragonfli Mar 2013 #46

Yeah progressoid Mar 2013 #47

If you can't move the people out of the place it would be better to make it more habitable. jeff47 Mar 2013 #63

So now suddenly we're concerned about their well being? progressoid Mar 2013 #65

So not improving the place would do what, exactly? jeff47 Mar 2013 #85

OFFS, improving the prisoners' shithole isn't the main reason for this. progressoid Mar 2013 #93

And leaving in a shithole moves them towards release by.........? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #100

Yeah, you're right. Building a bigger prison will ensure their liberty. progressoid Mar 2013 #109

And not building a bigger prison will ensure their liberty by..........? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #115

It won't make a difference either way. progressoid Mar 2013 #120

Little problem with your theory jeff47 Mar 2013 #123

"We haven't added anyone to Gitmo for quite a while now." dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #144

Mmm good question dixiegrrrrl but then again the otherside of it is cstanleytech Mar 2013 #155

So you are saying that he has no power to stop this new expenditure? rhett o rick Mar 2013 #49

Stopping the new spending isn't gonna help jeff47 Mar 2013 #64

Is Congress keeping the prisoners there or just not funding the closing? rhett o rick Mar 2013 #67

Congress says you can not spend any money on moving the prisoners jeff47 Mar 2013 #72

He can always order a drone strike agasinst the terrorists that are forcing him to keep an Dragonfli Mar 2013 #76

Different powers. jeff47 Mar 2013 #88

I bet the CIC can move prisoners in war-time w/o asking Congress. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #80

Doesn't matter if there's a budget item for "moving prisoners" in general jeff47 Mar 2013 #89

Then move them to prisons else where in the world. I bet we have prisons in Afghanistan. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #92

And that solves what, exactly? jeff47 Mar 2013 #98

The discussion was about spending money on Gitmo. Send the prisoners elsewhere rhett o rick Mar 2013 #101

The location is utterly irrelevant. jeff47 Mar 2013 #107

They're not all Afghans. And we did move some to Afghanistan's prisons. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #99

What does being Afghans have to do with it. They are not Cubans either. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #102

Gitmo is under US control. Officially as of today, no Afghan prison is under US control. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #104

If Pres. Obama does not have the power to close Gitmo dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #145

He has the power to close it. But that's immaterial when you need to actually TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #149

100 of those detainees are cleared to leave..BUT..obama has enacted a law which does not allow them xiamiam Mar 2013 #74

"terrified Democrats voted with them?" WHAT? KoKo Mar 2013 #142

They must've been terrified they would be placed in our torture and rendition center in Cuba Dragonfli Mar 2013 #147

Technically, he closed it the day after inauguration bhikkhu Mar 2013 #30

Of course, I forgot, all the Democrats hated him as well, no way were they providing cover Dragonfli Mar 2013 #35

They didn't hate him, but they did join with the repugs and quashed the executive order bhikkhu Mar 2013 #36

Well, what he did was make 85% of breaks to the wealthiest permanent Dragonfli Mar 2013 #48

Obama asked for 1.2 Trillion in Revenue Boner offered 800 Billion, Obama settled for 600. bahrbearian Mar 2013 #78

Well said. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #66

But we can't afford $40 million Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #8

congressional prostitutes funneling money to their corporate sponsors? nt msongs Mar 2013 #11

I will not blame Obama for this. His power is limited by states that will not cooperate. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #12

Dems sided with GOPpers in defeating Iliyah Mar 2013 #13

The executive branch can prosecute people for federal crimes. Vattel Mar 2013 #21

Not when Congress refuses to pay for those prosecutions. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #90

Congress refused to find the closure and the transfer of prisoners NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #14

He's only THE HEAD OF THE MILITARY, lol. just1voice Mar 2013 #15

He's like the Queen of England you know, no power, just there to lead parades. Dragonfli Mar 2013 #22

I can't decide if your post is sarcasm or not. Heywood J Mar 2013 #59

It is. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #60

"...spend $195.7 million renovating it ...". Who has ties to the corporation that submitted the bid? mia Mar 2013 #16

We knew we liked Hagel. Maybe he will have a special "waterboarding" room dedicated it to Cheney. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #17

I think on this one they will keep "the Democrats made him do it" Dragonfli Mar 2013 #26

According to above post... our Democratic Reps were "Terrified." KoKo Mar 2013 #143

yes of course I remember now, the carpets in the halls of congress were covered in urine Dragonfli Mar 2013 #148

What a waste of $$$. PufPuf23 Mar 2013 #19

Wait...aren't we broke? Marrah_G Mar 2013 #24

And apparently $40 million of that was just for the new logo (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #25

They already spent $188,000 for a new sign Mnpaul Mar 2013 #52

You Just Hope For Change. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #27

"Suckers" backatcha. Cha Mar 2013 #39

W had power. Reagan had power. delrem Mar 2013 #28

As soon as W got out of the starting gate, Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #58

Conservatives were completely drunk with power during those administrations. Initech Mar 2013 #150

FOX news has more power than the President of the USA? delrem Mar 2013 #152

They sure do act like it though. Initech Mar 2013 #153

That made me laugh out loud. Beacool Mar 2013 #156

Not the investment in infrastructure I had hoped for. JEB Mar 2013 #29

Thank the republican'ts.They are still blocking 107 Obama apointees.Only 4 during Bushco.Wake up judesedit Mar 2013 #31

I really thought this crap would change Az_lefty Mar 2013 #32

You're not supposed to notice things like this, let alone point them out. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #33

GITMO needs updating! OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #34

Oh come on sylvi Mar 2013 #40

Congress doesn't want the detainees on US soil. These prisoners are in permanent limbo. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #42

Be sure you read the part that says how LONG they have been approved for release. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #44

The only hope I have is that perhaps this ridiculous price tag will force Congress TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #43

Just give it back to Cuba and throw in the prisoners as a bonus. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #45

Now there's a thought.... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #50

And Castro will put them on a boat and send them to the US!! LeftInTX Mar 2013 #132

Karma is a bitch. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #133

Military ain't going to shutdown a prison. Rex Mar 2013 #51

"The new construction would include $49 to house high-value targets like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed" ... DreamGypsy Mar 2013 #53

When I saw that, I thought they were buying from Wal-Mart dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #54

For $49 spent at Walmart.. DreamGypsy Mar 2013 #55

We need you on the economic Council, for sure! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #75

In all fairness to President Obama, he did try to close Gitmo, but a few akbacchus_BC Mar 2013 #57

Is the politics forum shut down or something? n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #61

We're only broke when they want us to be broke. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #68

The more it costs, Turbineguy Mar 2013 #77

I tend to wonder Newest Reality Mar 2013 #79

I agree...they are going to great lengths to keep the prisoners dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #84

To be fair, some of these prisoners may well be risky to release. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #97

Perhaps..but about half have met criteria for release, yet still are prisoners. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #105

True, Newest Reality Mar 2013 #108

And you can bet your ass that he'd close it today if he could madokie Mar 2013 #83

Who's the Commander in Chief of the entire U.S. military? just1voice Mar 2013 #91

Ordering it closed means nothing without the procedures and funds to deal TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #94

You have a lot to learn is all I can say to you in answer to this nonsense madokie Mar 2013 #96

there is an old saying from wwII "you can kill em, but ya can't eat em" now the trendy phrase is Dragonfli Mar 2013 #113

Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #95

Promises shmomises ...who cares. Obama rah rah rah. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #103

What's the answer, then? TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #106

Make excuses for not keeping promises apparently Dragonfli Mar 2013 #114

Well the first step is to do away with cstanleytech Mar 2013 #129

See, thank you for making excuses, Obama must expand Gitmo, only a king could not!!!! Dragonfli Mar 2013 #131

No, its not excuses it called "reality" and "facts". cstanleytech Mar 2013 #138

They just finished re-writing the entire constitution, to allow a president Dragonfli Mar 2013 #140

Attemting to label me or anyone who disagrees with you as a Bush supporter will not change the facts cstanleytech Mar 2013 #141

You read nothing other than the last sentence, did you, facts are facts, he already claims powers Dragonfli Mar 2013 #146

You win, bury your head in the sand regarding how our government is setup cstanleytech Mar 2013 #154

America's infamous Concentration Camp. Movies will be made, not here of course, and books written, sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #125

Since money for GITMO can not likely be found in the national defense budget, bet pols will gladly indepat Mar 2013 #127

Okay...how do we Explain This? KoKo Mar 2013 #130

Don't blame me, I voted for Kucinich. n/t flvegan Mar 2013 #136

Ok, I'll bite. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #139

ANSWER: STOP ELECTING REPUBLICANS and elect more LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. emulatorloo Mar 2013 #151