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In reply to the discussion: The Dalai Lama, a sordid history of Nazi Mentors and forgiving Fascists [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)133. I didn't say harrar was 'evil'. In 1938, do you really imagine there were some neutral
german climbing expeditions, just for the pure sport of it?
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html
Intelligence expeditions is more like it. All big-power politics.
(Germany) sent an official expedition to Tibet between 1938 and 1939 at the invitation of the Tibetan Government to attend the Losar (New Year) celebrations.
Tibet had suffered a long history of Chinese attempts to annex it and British failure to prevent the aggression or to protect Tibet. Under Stalin, the Soviet Union was severely persecuting Buddhism, specifically the Tibetan form as practiced among the Mongols within its borders and in its satellite, the Peoples Republic of Mongolia (Outer Mongolia).
In contrast, Japan was upholding Tibetan Buddhism in Inner Mongolia, which it had annexed as part of Manchukuo, its puppet state in Manchuria. Claiming that Japan was Shambhala, the Imperial Government was trying to win the support of the Mongols under its rule for an invasion of Outer Mongolia and Siberia to create a pan-Mongol confederation under Japanese protection.
The Tibetan Government was exploring the possibility of also gaining protection from Japan in the face of the unstable situation. Japan and Germany had signed an Anti-Commintern Pact in 1936, declaring their mutual hostility toward the spread of international Communism. The invitation for the visit of an official delegation from Nazi Germany was extended in this context.
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html
Tibet had suffered a long history of Chinese attempts to annex it and British failure to prevent the aggression or to protect Tibet. Under Stalin, the Soviet Union was severely persecuting Buddhism, specifically the Tibetan form as practiced among the Mongols within its borders and in its satellite, the Peoples Republic of Mongolia (Outer Mongolia).
In contrast, Japan was upholding Tibetan Buddhism in Inner Mongolia, which it had annexed as part of Manchukuo, its puppet state in Manchuria. Claiming that Japan was Shambhala, the Imperial Government was trying to win the support of the Mongols under its rule for an invasion of Outer Mongolia and Siberia to create a pan-Mongol confederation under Japanese protection.
The Tibetan Government was exploring the possibility of also gaining protection from Japan in the face of the unstable situation. Japan and Germany had signed an Anti-Commintern Pact in 1936, declaring their mutual hostility toward the spread of international Communism. The invitation for the visit of an official delegation from Nazi Germany was extended in this context.
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html
Harrar joined the party because he was ambitious, as he admitted. His ambition wasn't confined to mountaineering.
and it appears that he was associated with the nazis as early as 1933. his partner in escaping from the british to tibet was also a mountaineer and had joined the nazis in 1933 as well. both stayed years in tibet.
I don't give a damn about harrar per se; the information is simply offered as corrective to the party line painting buddhism as some kind of atheistic neutral religion of peace.
particularly since at least a couple of the posters promoting this line were all over the catholic threads pushing a different line re catholicism.
buddhism has been an instrument of state militarism just as often as not (probably more often) and has typically been a religion of the ruling class v. the peons.
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The Dalai Lama, a sordid history of Nazi Mentors and forgiving Fascists [View all]
Paul E Ester
Mar 2013
OP
Is this what we are doing now? Should I go out and find some insulting article about
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2013
#2
there is no pure buddhism polluted by other traditions such as you imagine.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#120
Buddhism doesn't have a creator god because it doesn't have a creation. So what?
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#183
lol. you know nothing about me. i don't think anything like 'all buddhists are sweetness and light'
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#194
Interesting story and website. The links go some of my favorite subjects. Thanks.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#3
Well then most of the historic tibetan buddhist leadership weren't buddhists.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#191
But most modern thinking separates Vajrayana from Mahayana because of Lamaism
FreeState
Mar 2013
#93
baloney. buddhism has been just as militaristic as christianity in its long history.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#68
You might want to read up on the history of Sri Lanka and the role of Buddhist monks
RFKHumphreyObama
Mar 2013
#155
I noticed that it wasn't a one time thing too. Here he is with EVIL personified.
Paul E Ester
Mar 2013
#7
Yes, I'm sure jesus was a covert agent of pharoah. But actually, I don't give a damn about
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#87
An exiled head of state taking money directly from the CIA is not comparable to
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#84
The Dalai Lama took money directly from the CIA. Your attempt at apologetics is completely
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#116
not 'wrong'. but not in accordance with the notion of an ethereal holy man whose only
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#147
The Dalai Lama had no role in the resistance movement, not that there would be anything wrong
kwassa
Mar 2013
#158
the dalai lama was the *head* of the overseas resistance. i don't expect the
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#176
I gotta be honest all the back and forth hatred over religion or lack of is getting old
Arcanetrance
Mar 2013
#6
So? There's a pic of him meeting someone. The Dalai Lama isn't at a Nazi meeting
Honeycombe8
Mar 2013
#12
As someone who opposes his politics, I have a few questions about what you're saying.
JVS
Mar 2013
#13
nice try. but thank you for the interesting reading. a couple choice quotes:
magical thyme
Mar 2013
#14
too bad there is no 'forgiveness' for the people pinochet *murdered* en masse.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#134
better than dying nameless and supposedly 'guilty' while pinochet dies a multimillionaire.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#146
"forgive pinochet, says dalai lama" = part of the OP. any other obvious questions you need
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#149
i don't forgive mass murderers, especially those posing as leaders & looking to rehabilitate
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#154
Miguel Serrano - Creator of Esoteric Hitlerism/ and head of chile Nazi party
Paul E Ester
Mar 2013
#15
Whoa, this is better than SciFi channel. Could you post the link since it got cut off??
freshwest
Mar 2013
#159
I don't know about useful, but one would think that going after a deposed theocrat wouldn't even...
JVS
Mar 2013
#20
it's not just sects. it's all manner of supernatural beings and supernatural realms, all of
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#76
So, hairsplitting about Buddhist doctrine aside, what do we call that form of government?
JVS
Mar 2013
#101
It's not misinformation. Should I have called him a deposed feudal lord? Is that better?
JVS
Mar 2013
#107
"by groups adopting a combination of the two philosophies" = all (including the beliefs &
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#117
in your interpretation of 'the philosophy overall'. but your interpretation is not 'the philosophy
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#125
Theocracy is commonly used to mean a state ruled by a religious leader or hierarchy. Ergo, the
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#187
no, it's a 'philosophy.' and wealthy western atheistic buddhists personally taught by the dalai
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#193
your knowledge is limited, apparently. theocracy is commonly used to describe governments run
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#190
Yep, and there is a reason the guilt by association fallacy is listed as one of the more
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#72
the reason it's common is that in real life, it's so often not fallacious. My neighbor has a lot of
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#203
The Nazis were as busy as the global corporations of today. If a person has ever gone to a school
freshwest
Mar 2013
#160
Heinrich Harrer - SS Officer Mentor to the young Dalai Lama, taught him to speak english
Paul E Ester
Mar 2013
#19
ZOMG! Not again. And here I thought I was getting some primo science fiction.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#162
99% of religious leaders live off their followers. That's fundamental. And just because someone
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#185
No picture of him with that Nazi pope Ratwhateverhisname? 2 for 1 photo op if you can find it.
lunasun
Mar 2013
#51
1.7 million a year = a piddly sum? in the 60s the population of tibet was about 1.3 million.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#75
Tibet's economy is subsistence agriculture, and the Dalia lama was in exile. So your comparison
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#115
you have no idea what kind of person he is. you see his public face, and that's all.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#184
how much does it cost to be taught by the Dalai lama, 'intimately'? inquiring minds want to know.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#192
I note that you don't appear to attempt to address the post you reply to.
Donald Ian Rankin
Mar 2013
#60
One's take on the politics of the situation are irrelevant to the fact that the Dalai Lama
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#123
It was the UFO part that sucked me in. I love that stuff. Don't believe it, but dayum!
freshwest
Mar 2013
#164
Heinrich Harrer was a mountain climber who only joined the Nazi party in able to be chosen to go on
FSogol
Mar 2013
#118
he joined the SS the day after the anschluss began, so i doubt it. he was already famous
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#127
Yeah, a famous climber who was left off of German expeditions because he wasn't in the party.
FSogol
Mar 2013
#128
1. He was austrian. 2. He was on the 1935/6 austrian olympic skiing team. 3. The anschluss
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#129
I didn't say harrar was 'evil'. In 1938, do you really imagine there were some neutral
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#133
What intelligence was there to be gained by sending wave after wave of climbers
FSogol
Mar 2013
#135
my name isn't hannah. hitler did not send 'wave after wave' of climbers at the eiger.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#137
no, i'm not wrong in saying that hitler didn't throw 'wave after wave' of climbers at the eiger.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#145
ditto. some of the very same posters screaming for the head of the pope are here talking
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#138
I've been thinking of writing a factual post about how the CIA has been subverting
Catherina
Mar 2013
#139
that would be interesting & i encourage you to post it. every religious institution is political,
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#140