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reteachinwi

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54. That is not my experience.

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:44 PM

Mar 2013

"What I do have experience with; is disabled children. They can be excepted from the tests. It wouldn't be fair at all if a teacher had a bunch of disabled children and were expected to meet the same standards as other classes, but that's not the case. If that were the case; I could see educators fighting an unfair system that didn't make allowances for something like that."

Every student must take the NCLB test. Accomodations can be made in a resource room, but if less than 100% of the students take the test there are consequences under NCLB.

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Ohio 3rd graders who fail state test not promoted. But they CAN be promoted by not taking test. [View all] madfloridian Mar 2013 OP

Just imagine the lessons kids learn from this policy. madfloridian Mar 2013 #1

The allure and narrowness of making a final judgement on a single measure reteachinwi Mar 2013 #2

Great quote. madfloridian Mar 2013 #5

this is how I've had to approach my son's education liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #8

I have a third grader d_r Mar 2013 #3

I agree 100% madfloridian Mar 2013 #4

Trust me Ohio has had lots of dumb testing adventures dsc Mar 2013 #6

Here's a story... ReRe Mar 2013 #7

+1 reteachinwi Mar 2013 #52

These end of year tests should not be viewed as... Blanks Mar 2013 #9

Ah, one test to determine your career. theaocp Mar 2013 #10

Do you think that's unique among educators? Blanks Mar 2013 #11

Teachers are already evaluated several times a year. The reformers must love your words. madfloridian Mar 2013 #14

That's a false accusation. Teachers ARE evaluated. Four times a year in my district. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #30

Who said 'teachers aren't evaluated'? Blanks Mar 2013 #61

"I don't of any profession where we just take their word for how good they are. " proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #62

You feel that those two completely different statements are equal? Blanks Mar 2013 #63

I don't see them as completely different statements. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #66

Even with your typo? Blanks Mar 2013 #68

That was YOUR typo. I copied and pasted from your post. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #73

I stand corrected. Have a nice day. eom Blanks Mar 2013 #74

" The simplest, most straightforward way" = false equivalence Reader Rabbit Mar 2013 #32

I believe students should emerge from each grade... Blanks Mar 2013 #35

Again, spoken like an engineer. Reader Rabbit Mar 2013 #39

Amen. madfloridian Mar 2013 #40

If I go to an oncologist and he/she... Blanks Mar 2013 #43

You do realize that... Reader Rabbit Mar 2013 #49

I don't want it to be the teachers fault. Blanks Mar 2013 #60

When you are developing a new widget reteachinwi Mar 2013 #53

We should have a system that can objectively demonstrate... Blanks Mar 2013 #59

That is not my experience. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #54

There are portfolios for severely disabled children. eom Blanks Mar 2013 #64

And there are many mildly disabled children who don't do well on these tests. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #65

I'm sure there are. Blanks Mar 2013 #67

No there are no such provisions. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #69

The rules vary from state to state... Blanks Mar 2013 #70

No they don't vary. It's a FEDERAL law. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #71

My attorney/wife practices disability law... Blanks Mar 2013 #72

Well done. nt LWolf Mar 2013 #38

That illogic, in a nutshell, is why public education is on the ropes. LWolf Mar 2013 #12

How would you recommend evaluating educators? Blanks Mar 2013 #13

Public education is sinking because it is being defunded and dismantled. madfloridian Mar 2013 #15

I'm sure that's a factor in some places. Blanks Mar 2013 #16

See my post above to you. Yes, parents DO have responsibility for their children learning. madfloridian Mar 2013 #17

Fair enough. I can agree to disagree with you. Blanks Mar 2013 #18

Parents had their kids for years before they went to school. madfloridian Mar 2013 #19

I disagree about the training for tests comment. Blanks Mar 2013 #20

You are twisting my words around. madfloridian Mar 2013 #21

How is what I said different from what you meant? Blanks Mar 2013 #22

You said, I quote: madfloridian Mar 2013 #24

Perhaps if you didn't use 'that is just nonsense'... Blanks Mar 2013 #26

Hey, post a poll. I am backing off. madfloridian Mar 2013 #27

What do you want it to ask? Blanks Mar 2013 #28

Piaget reteachinwi Mar 2013 #55

My wife and I have discussed me teaching. Blanks Mar 2013 #58

Start with this: LWolf Mar 2013 #29

It's perfectly reasonable to evaluate someone's results. Blanks Mar 2013 #34

It doesn't really matter how many LWolf Mar 2013 #37

Many of the students I taught were in 10th grade. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #56

That makes sense to me. Blanks Mar 2013 #57

we aren't sinking in comparison to other countries. i've posted multiple times on the problems HiPointDem Mar 2013 #44

Could you provide a link? eom Blanks Mar 2013 #45

I'm not going to go and look for a link for each one of those claims again; if you're interested HiPointDem Mar 2013 #47

I'm not following your line of reasoning here. surrealAmerican Mar 2013 #23

Sort of. Blanks Mar 2013 #25

Because the only reason children fail is because they have bad teachers? proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #31

The way we learn that a child is failing... Blanks Mar 2013 #36

Some education on the history of standardized tests might be indicated. LWolf Mar 2013 #41

+1 proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #42

What is parent SES? eom Blanks Mar 2013 #46

socio-economic status. It's the best predictor of student performance out there. Not only in HiPointDem Mar 2013 #48

socio-economic status LWolf Mar 2013 #50

I agree...If no one showed up there would be NO one to test! Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #33

The Old Computer Adage: "No Doc, No Problem!" nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #51