General Discussion

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

15. I thought bigotry of all kind was against the TOS. nt

Reply to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:06 AM

Mar 2013

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

109 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Legitimate criticism of vs. bigotry against religion [View all] alp227 Mar 2013 OP

It's as if some people see the very existence of atheists as bigotry against religion.. nt RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #1

that is ridiculous.. n/t hlthe2b Mar 2013 #5

Don't know much about how atheists are discriminated against, do you? Zoeisright Mar 2013 #13

i haven't noticed that here at DU. religious people are routinely bashed, atheists basically never HiPointDem Mar 2013 #35

Not on DU, they are not hlthe2b Mar 2013 #43

No its not, have any atheist here state their lack of belief about gods... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #46

I've never seen that and I would denounce that just as the ugliness now being directed towards DU's hlthe2b Mar 2013 #47

I'll do one better, I forget JanMichael's religious beliefs... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #49

Well, if his thread was misinterpreted, those who did, include Skinner--some good company hlthe2b Mar 2013 #51

The key is that his thread doesn't fall under your definition of bigotry... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #53

I'm not regligious so you need to rethink your stereotyping. I am an advocate of fairnesss hlthe2b Mar 2013 #54

Tolerance isn't a goal, and neither is fairness... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #55

Neither are the DU Catholics tolerating nor defending "homophobia, misogyny, racism"... That's the hlthe2b Mar 2013 #58

I've seen many post joy at the current selection for Pope, others calling him a "good" man... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #59

I can't tell you what they are thinking, but perhaps they are hoping he is open to change hlthe2b Mar 2013 #60

Pope Francis, as a Cardinal, fought actively against marriage equality in Argentina... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #62

I have lived long enough to see those who held vile positions change--sometimes overnight... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #66

The Church is abandoning focus on Western Europe and North America in the hopes that the global... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #69

you can't "tell what they are thinking," but you sure could JanMichael Mar 2013 #64

I see you didn't sway Skinner either... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #68

I guess you need to invoke "Skinner" JanMichael Mar 2013 #78

I happen to agree with Skinner and others hlthe2b Mar 2013 #81

You can't do it, can you JanMichael Mar 2013 #82

Your focus on me for your actions is misguided. I have not baited anyone. hlthe2b Mar 2013 #83

I think your post should stay, it shows the irrationality of the Catholic defenders. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #70

I am not deleting it JanMichael Mar 2013 #79

nor have I seen any atheist bashing but catholics--imho--open season. corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #63

Here's the difference, in general atheists bash beliefs, the religious bash people, its true on... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #65

You just proved my point! corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #80

its not that hard to be tolerant and respectful quinnox Mar 2013 #2

So why is it BAD to be intolerant and critical at the same time? alp227 Mar 2013 #7

well, I think a liberal/progressive should be tolerant in general quinnox Mar 2013 #8

Too many people on both sides I see confuse disagreement and intolerance. alp227 Mar 2013 #10

it can be a hard line to pinpoint quinnox Mar 2013 #11

Why be "respectful"? Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #39

Sounds to me like the religious want deference from atheists, so we know who are our betters. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #44

I would call it bigotry The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2013 #3

exactly....++ hlthe2b Mar 2013 #4

If you give money to the church, you are supporting pedophiles. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #12

If you've paid taxes for the last 20-30 years, you supported all the wars & Bush and Cheney & Reagan stevenleser Mar 2013 #14

Paying taxes is mandatory and has legal penalities for noncompliance Fumesucker Mar 2013 #16

Paying taxes to any given government is not mandatory. You can emigrate. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #18

If you are wealthy you can emigrate Fumesucker Mar 2013 #20

That is not true. You can emigrate to almost anywhere in Latin America tomorrow. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #21

There are very few nations that will take Americans with no means of support Fumesucker Mar 2013 #23

It's close enough. stevenleser Mar 2013 #25

You have to live under a government, some government somewhere, there is no serious choice in that Fumesucker Mar 2013 #26

There are plenty of governments that do not engage in much wrongdoing. stevenleser Mar 2013 #31

The only organizations I belong to are the human race and DU Fumesucker Mar 2013 #33

There are penalties in the Church, however. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #87

Not for refusing to donate. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #92

Yes. Even for refusing to donate. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #93

Sorry, my parish had it on Wednesdays or Thursdays and called it PSR, through some have what's... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #94

It depends on the parish and priest. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #97

All I see are people who would trade other people's civil rights for perks such as being in a... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #100

I can understand that; however, look deeper. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #103

I was assuming that to sing in the choir, they had to donate to the Church... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #105

No, one does not always have control over how the money is spent. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #108

True. Collective punishment is not a progressive value. freshwest Mar 2013 #32

WRONG. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #96

You must be kidding. I'm not swayed by anyone yelling in all caps. It's ineffective. freshwest Mar 2013 #102

FAIL. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #95

If you support schools, and teachers you are supporting pedophiles... nessa Mar 2013 #57

What happened to logical reasoning? Zoeisright Mar 2013 #99

Do you support their unions, the PTA? nessa Mar 2013 #109

You are supporting a lot of things treestar Mar 2013 #106

you got it exactly right The Velveteen Ocelot! liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #19

+1 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #36

Yes. n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #41

What about republicans? n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #42

It's a fine line... snooper2 Mar 2013 #6

It's fine to be critical of positions the church hierarchy takes BainsBane Mar 2013 #9

I thought bigotry of all kind was against the TOS. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #15

It is. freshwest Mar 2013 #30

when people say that if you are part of the church then you are enabling the abuse liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #17

+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #24

That was my issue jsr Mar 2013 #28

Then you don't know what bigotry is.... MellowDem Mar 2013 #38

It's apparently a view held dear by many Union Scribe Mar 2013 #40

As a lesbian, I've made the decision not to give $ to groups that actively discriminate against me justiceischeap Mar 2013 #52

... Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #22

You can believe in any magical thing you want. I do not really care, but I can... Logical Mar 2013 #27

Criticism of ideas is always legitimate... Deep13 Mar 2013 #29

When we fear being accused of "religion bashing," yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2013 #34

Pretty simple... sarisataka Mar 2013 #37

I'm not doing to lose sleep if people can't recognize the horrors perpetrated by the Catholic Church baldguy Mar 2013 #45

It has nothing to do with being respectful toward religion .... etherealtruth Mar 2013 #48

Precisely jsr Mar 2013 #98

Why are we having this conversation now considering how bad the Mormons got it during the election? JVS Mar 2013 #50

Exactly, and the Mormon Church got full brunt during the Prop. 8 passage, while the Catholic... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #56

I did as I know Mormons who live their lives as secular Democrats and didn't vote for Mittens. freshwest Mar 2013 #104

Simple rule: If you can't or wouldn't say it real life, then you may be crossing the line. SpartanDem Mar 2013 #61

Not believers, BELIEFS, why the fuck is it so hard to understand that distinction... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #67

that is close to the line but probably doesn't cross it arely staircase Mar 2013 #72

It implies nothing of the sort, I think alchemy is stupid, doesn't mean Isaac Newton was stupid... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #74

personally as a christian i am not insulted by the comment arely staircase Mar 2013 #88

The fact is, there are not better ways to do it... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #89

sure there is arely staircase Mar 2013 #91

Ahhh so it's hate the sin not the sinner. If people say homosexuality is wrong,.... nessa Mar 2013 #73

Oh for fuck's sake, that's fucking stupid, saying homophobia is a stupid idea is the same as... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #76

If you think this is the best way to engage people SpartanDem Mar 2013 #75

To be honest, I find tact to be wasted on the religious, hell, a poster here literally just says... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #77

I'm also agnostic union_maid Mar 2013 #84

hmm arely staircase Mar 2013 #71

I have seen both real anti-Catholic bigotry, and anti-atheist bigotry LeftishBrit Mar 2013 #85

I think the line is somewhere between criticizing the policies of the church hughee99 Mar 2013 #86

If denouncing religions and their political power makes me a Skidmore Mar 2013 #90

Why does religion get a pass? Zoeisright Mar 2013 #101

Maybe it's a matter of direction loyalsister Mar 2013 #107