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Lionessa

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81. Counter question. How is your outrage supposed to help?

Reply to hack89 (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:19 PM

Feb 2012

Your promotion of this ridiculous outrage is more suspect than their burning of the flag.

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Burning The US Flag Is Akin to Displaying the Confederate Flag [View all] Yavin4 Feb 2012 OP

How about we burn the Confederate flags? izquierdista Feb 2012 #1

Sounds like fun. I'm in. TheWraith Feb 2012 #55

I disagree. Considering what USA actually seems to stand for these days... Lionessa Feb 2012 #2

How about revering the flag for what it OUGHT to represent? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #3

Thank you. I am an atheist and think that religion has a lot to answer for. I don't burn Bibles. n/t renie408 Feb 2012 #4

Not the same, yet. Lionessa Feb 2012 #8

Ok, so YOU don't care. renie408 Feb 2012 #18

Boo hoo, feelers get hurt. Please assimilate all you desire. I shall not. Lionessa Feb 2012 #24

And what, exactly, does burning a flag do to help all those people? renie408 Feb 2012 #30

Please read about civil rights movements. The class you ask me to teach you can't be done here. Lionessa Feb 2012 #39

That answers the question about whether or not you can have a discussion without being insulting. renie408 Feb 2012 #44

that one sure is a know it all today Whisp Feb 2012 #82

Or how about we use burning it to represent our dissatisfaction that it doesn't represent what it Lionessa Feb 2012 #5

Yeah, except it won't work that way. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #7

So you say, I'm certainly not hearing anyone say anything except Lionessa Feb 2012 #10

You are wrong if you think 'wingers' are the only people who care about flag burning. renie408 Feb 2012 #21

I don't see it as dismissal as much as an intentional in your face, Lionessa Feb 2012 #27

Can you have a straight discussion about this without insulting the person you are talking to? renie408 Feb 2012 #33

No, not really because you are becoming responsible for grandizing idea that it's offensive Lionessa Feb 2012 #37

*sigh* renie408 Feb 2012 #45

it's that effective 'Newt' style of debate that is becoming so popular Whisp Feb 2012 #83

Or Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #48

I can agree and understand your POV here, but Lionessa Feb 2012 #50

Flag burning seems pretty dumb if it destroys OWS larger message Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #51

Except for folks like you promoting that concept, I don't think it does Lionessa Feb 2012 #52

+1 whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #61

So by burning an American flag OWS has elevated the conversation? Really? nt hack89 Feb 2012 #58

Not being cowed into revering a piece of fabric that represents a regime elevates the conversation. Lionessa Feb 2012 #60

So OWS is taking the moral superiority route? hack89 Feb 2012 #75

I have no doubt that never crossed their minds, however Lionessa Feb 2012 #77

I don't think it crossed their minds either - because they are fucking clueless hack89 Feb 2012 #79

Counter question. How is your outrage supposed to help? Lionessa Feb 2012 #81

How does OWS grow if it pisses off potential supporters? hack89 Feb 2012 #84

It allows intelligent folks the opportunity to explain to their family and peers why Lionessa Feb 2012 #85

So what does burning a flag represent to OWS? What is the message I am suppose to get? nt hack89 Feb 2012 #86

America is broken, breaking, falling, no longer worthy of the respect it demands. Lionessa Feb 2012 #92

So OWS, in demanding respect hack89 Feb 2012 #97

I don't recall "respect" being any part of their consideration, though Lionessa Feb 2012 #101

If people don't respect OWS why would they consider supporting them? nt hack89 Feb 2012 #102

After hours of trying to help you out of yours and others' Lionessa Feb 2012 #103

A sense of moral and intellectual superiority is what every successful social movement is built on hack89 Feb 2012 #104

Ought to represent to whom? ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #87

One could ask the same of the ill-defined OWS Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #88

Of course OWS is meaningless. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #91

Because, yeah, the civil liberties situation in 1861 was SO much the same as now jberryhill Feb 2012 #6

Yep, instead of just blacks, slaves, and women, the attempt is to now Lionessa Feb 2012 #12

Just tell me which year in US history you like jberryhill Feb 2012 #14

The trend for the past 30 years has not been positive. Lionessa Feb 2012 #15

Ah... another thread about how stupid I am jberryhill Feb 2012 #16

Sorry, but trends aren't opinions. From Reagan to current, the trend is to Lionessa Feb 2012 #19

Your proposition is that the confederacy was just as good jberryhill Feb 2012 #25

Good is not anything related to what I said. Lionessa Feb 2012 #32

"I said we are heading into something equally bad" jberryhill Feb 2012 #35

OMG, you are not worth it. Lionessa Feb 2012 #38

Alienating others is not going to change that course jberryhill Feb 2012 #40

The poor, and women's Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #94

explain 'these days', please. Whisp Feb 2012 #76

Really??? You're that ignorant? You can't fathom what "these days" mean in the context of Lionessa Feb 2012 #78

let's not get all prickly now. Whisp Feb 2012 #80

Flag burning threads unionworks Feb 2012 #9

Burning the American flag isnt respresentative of racism mkultra Feb 2012 #11

You Missed The Point Entirely Yavin4 Feb 2012 #13

Really, and just out of curiosity you know this how? Lionessa Feb 2012 #17

it's CRAZY to suggest that burning the U.S. flag doesn't alienate the vast majority of working class Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #31

Since I see many here claiming it, I think you're potentially incorrect. Lionessa Feb 2012 #34

I 100% support OWS and consider it the most promissing social movement in a at least a generation Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #111

Speaking from the reality whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #63

it's not a matter of whether it offends me or not - it offends almost all working class Americans Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #110

we are working class americans and it doesnt offend us mkultra Feb 2012 #116

everyone who has any exposure to working class Americans knows very well that the Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #117

Look Up The Name Rick Monday ProfessorGAC Feb 2012 #62

Harm vs good can only be determined in hindsight, which we have not enough of regarding Lionessa Feb 2012 #64

I was actually pointing out that it was YOU, sir that are missing the point mkultra Feb 2012 #20

And Confederate Flag Wavers Say The Same Thing Yavin4 Feb 2012 #46

And what are these expressions? Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #96

Well, if they don't understand what a perfect political statement flag burning really is nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #26

But they antagonize for different reasons. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #28

In the End, They Both Antagonize Yavin4 Feb 2012 #69

So racism is on the same level as protest. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #72

Pearl clutchers are amusing. n/t Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #22

In small doses. Beyond that Union Scribe Feb 2012 #73

... xchrom Feb 2012 #23

No. No it's not. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #29

The Reason Burning The Flag Is Dumb Is Because You Are Alienating The Very People You Want To Reach DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2012 #36

Or, akin to burning the confederate flag or Jeff Davis' underwear. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #41

You Are Attributing A Level Of Political Sophistication To The Average American That Never Existed DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2012 #42

They're not going to get "sophisticated" by playing to their fears of not conforming. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #54

You're Making a False Analogy Yavin4 Feb 2012 #68

I think the purpose of OWS is to get people pissed Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #74

I agree, there is an absolute right to DO it treestar Feb 2012 #43

Thanks. Both Acts Are Meant to Provoke and Antagonize Your Fellow Man. Yavin4 Feb 2012 #49

Rubbish. Zoeisright Feb 2012 #47

I agree. But then I also agree with the OP... renie408 Feb 2012 #53

They're going to be put off by Neoma Feb 2012 #56

Thank You. Provoking and Antagonizing Your Fellow Man... Yavin4 Feb 2012 #67

I imagine many of us concern ourselves more with... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #57

No, one is a symbol of racism and hate. The other is an act of speech morningfog Feb 2012 #59

And The Confederate Flag Defender Would Say That... Yavin4 Feb 2012 #65

I concede that point. That is why symbols are powerful and why they are used. morningfog Feb 2012 #66

what then is the precise form of protest which will not antagonize and provoke anger in anyone? LanternWaste Feb 2012 #70

The Point of a Popular Protest Is To Influence Popular Opinion Yavin4 Feb 2012 #98

Again, what is the precise and relevant form of protest LanternWaste Feb 2012 #105

Protests Are Designed to Piss Off The Powerful and The Corrupt Yavin4 Feb 2012 #114

i dont agree with the first part of your argument, but do agree with the second part La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #71

Are you shitting me? Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #89

Waving a flag is akin to turning off your brain. JackRiddler Feb 2012 #90

That's the thing about flags if the United States were to lose a war to China, and Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #95

Got any other science fiction left over from the Cold War? JackRiddler Feb 2012 #107

It was just my hypothesis based on historical human traits and frailties. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #109

So, Then You'd Have No Problem With Your Neighbor Yavin4 Feb 2012 #99

I only have a problem with you not reading what I write before responding. JackRiddler Feb 2012 #106

Burning the US Flag is akin to burning a Confederate flag ... T S Justly Feb 2012 #93

Having the Right To Do So Aint My Point Yavin4 Feb 2012 #100

Actually, your point seems to be to pin "OWS" neurotically to a flag-burning incident in Oakland... JackRiddler Feb 2012 #108

And, my point ... T S Justly Feb 2012 #112

If burning a flag antagonizes someone, then I am ready to burn DontTreadOnMe Feb 2012 #113

So quite a lot of Southerners aren't "average everyday Americans"? Right then Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #115