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renie408

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44. That answers the question about whether or not you can have a discussion without being insulting.

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 11:59 AM

Feb 2012

And AWESOME deflection, BTW. You have handily NOT responded to anything that has been asked of you by using insults and arrogance. Curious...does that make you feel better about yourself or something? Feeling like the superior person, eh?

Me, too.

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Burning The US Flag Is Akin to Displaying the Confederate Flag [View all] Yavin4 Feb 2012 OP

How about we burn the Confederate flags? izquierdista Feb 2012 #1

Sounds like fun. I'm in. TheWraith Feb 2012 #55

I disagree. Considering what USA actually seems to stand for these days... Lionessa Feb 2012 #2

How about revering the flag for what it OUGHT to represent? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #3

Thank you. I am an atheist and think that religion has a lot to answer for. I don't burn Bibles. n/t renie408 Feb 2012 #4

Not the same, yet. Lionessa Feb 2012 #8

Ok, so YOU don't care. renie408 Feb 2012 #18

Boo hoo, feelers get hurt. Please assimilate all you desire. I shall not. Lionessa Feb 2012 #24

And what, exactly, does burning a flag do to help all those people? renie408 Feb 2012 #30

Please read about civil rights movements. The class you ask me to teach you can't be done here. Lionessa Feb 2012 #39

That answers the question about whether or not you can have a discussion without being insulting. renie408 Feb 2012 #44

that one sure is a know it all today Whisp Feb 2012 #82

Or how about we use burning it to represent our dissatisfaction that it doesn't represent what it Lionessa Feb 2012 #5

Yeah, except it won't work that way. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #7

So you say, I'm certainly not hearing anyone say anything except Lionessa Feb 2012 #10

You are wrong if you think 'wingers' are the only people who care about flag burning. renie408 Feb 2012 #21

I don't see it as dismissal as much as an intentional in your face, Lionessa Feb 2012 #27

Can you have a straight discussion about this without insulting the person you are talking to? renie408 Feb 2012 #33

No, not really because you are becoming responsible for grandizing idea that it's offensive Lionessa Feb 2012 #37

*sigh* renie408 Feb 2012 #45

it's that effective 'Newt' style of debate that is becoming so popular Whisp Feb 2012 #83

Or Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #48

I can agree and understand your POV here, but Lionessa Feb 2012 #50

Flag burning seems pretty dumb if it destroys OWS larger message Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #51

Except for folks like you promoting that concept, I don't think it does Lionessa Feb 2012 #52

+1 whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #61

So by burning an American flag OWS has elevated the conversation? Really? nt hack89 Feb 2012 #58

Not being cowed into revering a piece of fabric that represents a regime elevates the conversation. Lionessa Feb 2012 #60

So OWS is taking the moral superiority route? hack89 Feb 2012 #75

I have no doubt that never crossed their minds, however Lionessa Feb 2012 #77

I don't think it crossed their minds either - because they are fucking clueless hack89 Feb 2012 #79

Counter question. How is your outrage supposed to help? Lionessa Feb 2012 #81

How does OWS grow if it pisses off potential supporters? hack89 Feb 2012 #84

It allows intelligent folks the opportunity to explain to their family and peers why Lionessa Feb 2012 #85

So what does burning a flag represent to OWS? What is the message I am suppose to get? nt hack89 Feb 2012 #86

America is broken, breaking, falling, no longer worthy of the respect it demands. Lionessa Feb 2012 #92

So OWS, in demanding respect hack89 Feb 2012 #97

I don't recall "respect" being any part of their consideration, though Lionessa Feb 2012 #101

If people don't respect OWS why would they consider supporting them? nt hack89 Feb 2012 #102

After hours of trying to help you out of yours and others' Lionessa Feb 2012 #103

A sense of moral and intellectual superiority is what every successful social movement is built on hack89 Feb 2012 #104

Ought to represent to whom? ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #87

One could ask the same of the ill-defined OWS Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #88

Of course OWS is meaningless. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #91

Because, yeah, the civil liberties situation in 1861 was SO much the same as now jberryhill Feb 2012 #6

Yep, instead of just blacks, slaves, and women, the attempt is to now Lionessa Feb 2012 #12

Just tell me which year in US history you like jberryhill Feb 2012 #14

The trend for the past 30 years has not been positive. Lionessa Feb 2012 #15

Ah... another thread about how stupid I am jberryhill Feb 2012 #16

Sorry, but trends aren't opinions. From Reagan to current, the trend is to Lionessa Feb 2012 #19

Your proposition is that the confederacy was just as good jberryhill Feb 2012 #25

Good is not anything related to what I said. Lionessa Feb 2012 #32

"I said we are heading into something equally bad" jberryhill Feb 2012 #35

OMG, you are not worth it. Lionessa Feb 2012 #38

Alienating others is not going to change that course jberryhill Feb 2012 #40

The poor, and women's Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #94

explain 'these days', please. Whisp Feb 2012 #76

Really??? You're that ignorant? You can't fathom what "these days" mean in the context of Lionessa Feb 2012 #78

let's not get all prickly now. Whisp Feb 2012 #80

Flag burning threads unionworks Feb 2012 #9

Burning the American flag isnt respresentative of racism mkultra Feb 2012 #11

You Missed The Point Entirely Yavin4 Feb 2012 #13

Really, and just out of curiosity you know this how? Lionessa Feb 2012 #17

it's CRAZY to suggest that burning the U.S. flag doesn't alienate the vast majority of working class Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #31

Since I see many here claiming it, I think you're potentially incorrect. Lionessa Feb 2012 #34

I 100% support OWS and consider it the most promissing social movement in a at least a generation Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #111

Speaking from the reality whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #63

it's not a matter of whether it offends me or not - it offends almost all working class Americans Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #110

we are working class americans and it doesnt offend us mkultra Feb 2012 #116

everyone who has any exposure to working class Americans knows very well that the Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #117

Look Up The Name Rick Monday ProfessorGAC Feb 2012 #62

Harm vs good can only be determined in hindsight, which we have not enough of regarding Lionessa Feb 2012 #64

I was actually pointing out that it was YOU, sir that are missing the point mkultra Feb 2012 #20

And Confederate Flag Wavers Say The Same Thing Yavin4 Feb 2012 #46

And what are these expressions? Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #96

Well, if they don't understand what a perfect political statement flag burning really is nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #26

But they antagonize for different reasons. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #28

In the End, They Both Antagonize Yavin4 Feb 2012 #69

So racism is on the same level as protest. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #72

Pearl clutchers are amusing. n/t Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #22

In small doses. Beyond that Union Scribe Feb 2012 #73

... xchrom Feb 2012 #23

No. No it's not. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #29

The Reason Burning The Flag Is Dumb Is Because You Are Alienating The Very People You Want To Reach DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2012 #36

Or, akin to burning the confederate flag or Jeff Davis' underwear. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #41

You Are Attributing A Level Of Political Sophistication To The Average American That Never Existed DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2012 #42

They're not going to get "sophisticated" by playing to their fears of not conforming. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #54

You're Making a False Analogy Yavin4 Feb 2012 #68

I think the purpose of OWS is to get people pissed Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #74

I agree, there is an absolute right to DO it treestar Feb 2012 #43

Thanks. Both Acts Are Meant to Provoke and Antagonize Your Fellow Man. Yavin4 Feb 2012 #49

Rubbish. Zoeisright Feb 2012 #47

I agree. But then I also agree with the OP... renie408 Feb 2012 #53

They're going to be put off by Neoma Feb 2012 #56

Thank You. Provoking and Antagonizing Your Fellow Man... Yavin4 Feb 2012 #67

I imagine many of us concern ourselves more with... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #57

No, one is a symbol of racism and hate. The other is an act of speech morningfog Feb 2012 #59

And The Confederate Flag Defender Would Say That... Yavin4 Feb 2012 #65

I concede that point. That is why symbols are powerful and why they are used. morningfog Feb 2012 #66

what then is the precise form of protest which will not antagonize and provoke anger in anyone? LanternWaste Feb 2012 #70

The Point of a Popular Protest Is To Influence Popular Opinion Yavin4 Feb 2012 #98

Again, what is the precise and relevant form of protest LanternWaste Feb 2012 #105

Protests Are Designed to Piss Off The Powerful and The Corrupt Yavin4 Feb 2012 #114

i dont agree with the first part of your argument, but do agree with the second part La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #71

Are you shitting me? Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #89

Waving a flag is akin to turning off your brain. JackRiddler Feb 2012 #90

That's the thing about flags if the United States were to lose a war to China, and Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #95

Got any other science fiction left over from the Cold War? JackRiddler Feb 2012 #107

It was just my hypothesis based on historical human traits and frailties. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #109

So, Then You'd Have No Problem With Your Neighbor Yavin4 Feb 2012 #99

I only have a problem with you not reading what I write before responding. JackRiddler Feb 2012 #106

Burning the US Flag is akin to burning a Confederate flag ... T S Justly Feb 2012 #93

Having the Right To Do So Aint My Point Yavin4 Feb 2012 #100

Actually, your point seems to be to pin "OWS" neurotically to a flag-burning incident in Oakland... JackRiddler Feb 2012 #108

And, my point ... T S Justly Feb 2012 #112

If burning a flag antagonizes someone, then I am ready to burn DontTreadOnMe Feb 2012 #113

So quite a lot of Southerners aren't "average everyday Americans"? Right then Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #115