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n2doc

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17. 250k puts one in the top 5% of income earners
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:15 PM
Mar 2013

That's by definition not in the middle. But you know that. Hell over 100K puts one in the top 10%, which by statistical definition is 'rich'. The problem is, wages for 95% of us haven't kept up with costs. So having a 100k income doesn't mean one can afford a mansion, fancy luxo car and first class travel. What it usually means is being able to afford a nicer house (depending on location, forget about it in SF or NYC), a newer car every so often, and a vacation. Things that used to be 'middle class'.


I was looking at the San Francisco paper recently. They had a renovated victorian, not one of the real fancy ones, but an ok place in a good but not high end neighborhood. The sort of place that a mid to upper middle class person might have bought 30 years ago. They wanted 2 million for it.

There was also a true mansion listed. This one had it all. It was listed for 16 million and probably was worth that. But they noted that it had been bought in the 1970's for 225K. I don't think most people have had anywhere near an 80x increase in salary over that time.

Yes! hedgehog Mar 2013 #1
A single person making 20k is actually poor, especially after taxes. duffyduff Mar 2013 #2
But he or she sees himself or herself as middle class nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #4
The lack of class consciousness in the USA IS the reason..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #3
Yup, that history of labor of mine is taking a decidedly "strident" nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #5
Totally agree! - KnR LeftInTX Mar 2013 #6
Income is not the only indicator of class. Brickbat Mar 2013 #7
Exactly, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2013 #8
The Sooners are admired, the Boomers not so much bigbrother05 Mar 2013 #11
Exacrly, Sir: I Know The Derivation The Magistrate Mar 2013 #12
A true hard core classic Marxist POV nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #22
wtf are you talking about 'hard core marxist'? where do you think your "classic class" analysis HiPointDem Mar 2013 #25
Thank you for your post. n/t GiveMeFreedom Mar 2013 #24
"Middle Class" is amorphous SoCalDem Mar 2013 #9
America has been a consumer society since the 1920s, really... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #15
MC should very well be...not amorphous nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #21
Politics pretty much demands it SoCalDem Mar 2013 #26
Exactly, serving the goal of social control. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #27
The One Percent is deadly afraid of class awareness education and that is why they always scream kairos12 Mar 2013 #10
I've heard that 20K worker called "the illusory middle class." Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2013 #13
Americans have been trained to not see class differences Yavin4 Mar 2013 #14
I'd say $250,000 makes you rich no matter where you live hfojvt Mar 2013 #16
See 17 nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #20
250k puts one in the top 5% of income earners n2doc Mar 2013 #17
This is why the definition of middle class we use nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #19
real estate has gone crazy in some places hfojvt Mar 2013 #23
You really have Nailed It herre. bvar22 Mar 2013 #18
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