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TheProgressive

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10. We certainly have to do something...
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:38 PM
Mar 2013

The current implementation of our parties and therefore government is
destroying America as we now it.

We need a new Democratic Party [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 OP
Can't argue with any of that. K&R Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #1
"incredibly low rates, far lower than many in the middle class" is arguable bhikkhu Mar 2013 #15
How's about you post what rates the 1% ACTUALLY pay... 99Forever Mar 2013 #23
That's the point DollarBillHines Mar 2013 #52
I think we are mostly in agreement. 99Forever Mar 2013 #59
I was speaking of property, gas, sales taxes, etc. DollarBillHines Mar 2013 #95
Here's the background on the source for that graphic: bhikkhu Mar 2013 #64
Yep, righties complain about the high "rates" of taxes on corporations too... cascadiance Mar 2013 #113
I don't think that your figures include capital gains MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #29
Its supposed to include capital gains, federal and state, sales tax, property taxes, etc bhikkhu Mar 2013 #67
Capitals gains is the central point, and the bulk of the poolside billionaires' income. GoneFishin Mar 2013 #122
Capital gains is a much different rate than income tax, this is alsp the reason Warren Buffett Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #123
This assumes the wealthy earn their income through salaries Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #31
The top one percent have just experienced the loss of the Bush tax cuts for themselves fasttense Mar 2013 #43
Yes, it includes state and federal, property taxes, sales tax, etc bhikkhu Mar 2013 #65
Yes, you're right. But it does note that certain MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #79
Your figures are only sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #80
Talk about cherry-picking - why not post some of the OTHER info bread_and_roses Mar 2013 #133
Screw the Wealthy.. Capt13 Mar 2013 #168
Yes, that's how some of us understand the issue. truedelphi Mar 2013 #174
That says based on "income". I don't think capital gains is considered income cui bono Mar 2013 #192
Capital gains are considered "unearned income" Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #250
Sorry, it's the system that needs changing more than anything else cali Mar 2013 #2
Agreed. AndyA Mar 2013 #7
^ THIS ^ octoberlib Mar 2013 #11
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #12
Catch-22. The people who have the power to change the system are part of the system. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #13
That is absolutely true. MineralMan Mar 2013 #18
Ya but they changed some things over night to make them crappier. glinda Mar 2013 #50
exactly- how long did it take for the scoundrels to pass the (un)patriot act? green for victory Mar 2013 #130
The people who have the power to change the system CONTROL the system CanonRay Mar 2013 #46
French Revolution says 'non.' tblue Mar 2013 #92
That is the problem that needs attention asap. glinda Mar 2013 #187
When Our People Can't Take Anymore AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #223
Good point, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #101
We need to fix the voting system first. Wont be able to get campaign finance laws rhett o rick Mar 2013 #125
We need far more change than just how campaigns are paid for. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #159
Yep, this too, and to curtail lobbying. woo me with science Mar 2013 #181
Ratfuckers generally do advocate for a "new" Democratic party. But that's not what you are, right KittyWampus Mar 2013 #3
Well that is pretty hateful. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #178
wtf? Marrah_G Mar 2013 #188
Way to make his point, Kitty. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #215
That was nasty. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #217
Your reply makes his point. That is a hateful reply aimed at stifling discussion. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #224
How was the hangover this morning? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #248
If Manny is a ratfucker... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #264
That's pretty over the top. el_bryanto Oct 2013 #265
Personally, I think you're welcome to do that. MineralMan Mar 2013 #4
Maybe if you advertise on Craig's list and start a new website graham4anything Mar 2013 #5
We certainly need to restate clearly what the Democratic Party stands for. canoeist52 Mar 2013 #6
Wait ProSense Mar 2013 #8
Wait Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #16
Hey, ProSense Mar 2013 #19
He's also making the point tha Obama is offering the Republicans what they want. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #26
Well, ProSense Mar 2013 #28
The problem 'centrists' face right now is that one Party is offering actual compromise (DNC) Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #198
raising taxes on the rich did NOT win hfojvt Mar 2013 #32
There you go again ProSense Mar 2013 #37
they are not my numbers hfojvt Mar 2013 #44
"And Krugman is a tool" ProSense Mar 2013 #45
Nice try, but some of us are paying attention brentspeak Mar 2013 #70
Thanks for ProSense Mar 2013 #75
What, you mean the numbers you keep spamming? brentspeak Mar 2013 #84
LOL! ProSense Mar 2013 #93
Its one way of looking at the numbers bhikkhu Mar 2013 #83
maybe because the status quo was so evil hfojvt Mar 2013 #96
What utter nonsense. ProSense Mar 2013 #99
wrong again hfojvt Mar 2013 #103
More nonsense. ProSense Mar 2013 #105
uh huh hfojvt Mar 2013 #111
Beyond silly ProSense Mar 2013 #114
I know damned well that "across the board tax cuts" favor the rich hfojvt Mar 2013 #118
I know ProSense Mar 2013 #119
He raised taxes on the rich bhikkhu Mar 2013 #100
no, sorry, that is just a movement of goalposts hfojvt Mar 2013 #106
You're the one moving goalposts. ProSense Mar 2013 #107
uhm hfojvt Mar 2013 #115
Wow, ProSense Mar 2013 #117
no, I am facing facts hfojvt Mar 2013 #120
Hey, ProSense Mar 2013 #121
I'm getting a sense of deja vu hfojvt Mar 2013 #129
Exactly. Capital gains should be taxed higher than earned income. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #146
Sign me up. tblue Mar 2013 #9
We certainly have to do something... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #10
Maybe a mass movement of some kind... PETRUS Mar 2013 #14
If enough people demand it with their vote, it will come along. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #17
Yeah, ProSense Mar 2013 #22
One that stands for good government, that won't trade long-term stability for today's talking points bhikkhu Mar 2013 #20
What'sa Matter Manny, GOP Implosion Getting You Down? U Figure The Dems Need One of Their Own Too? Skraxx Mar 2013 #21
The Democratic politicians are destroying the party leftstreet Mar 2013 #34
Last I Checked, Despite The Whining In The Peanut Gallery Skraxx Mar 2013 #234
If the Left doesn't make demands tblue Mar 2013 #91
Wow! Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #218
LOL!! Credible?? LOL! DU Standards Of "Credible" Must Be Lacking Skraxx Mar 2013 #220
Enjoy your stay. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #222
Are Democrats Who *GASP* Defend The Democratic Party Skraxx Mar 2013 #233
Yes they are very welcome here. That is exactly what the OP is doing, defending sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #236
Is That What The OP Is Doing? Is That What Calling For A New Party Is? Skraxx Mar 2013 #237
Yes, that is what the OP is doing. Why are YOU a Democrat? sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #238
Now You're Conducting Your Purity Test On Me? Skraxx Mar 2013 #239
I believe it was you who conducted the purity test on the OP. Since you set yourself sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #241
Such a thing will have to start with a third party, you know. MineralMan Mar 2013 #24
Bring in the Green Party Left Turn Only Mar 2013 #25
The Greens would NEVER go along Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #221
win-win situation Left Turn Only Mar 2013 #254
And this is one of the MANY reasons they will never join the Democrats: Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #255
Change from within Left Turn Only Mar 2013 #256
I think we should focus on 2016. ProSense Mar 2013 #27
Thomas Jefferson on political parties. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #30
^^ G_j Mar 2013 #33
Wise man. 840high Mar 2013 #36
TJ had such wisdom! Plucketeer Mar 2013 #85
So if Jefferson was alive to day ... we can probably assume that ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #160
Only if DU membership is measured in party loyalty. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #161
DURec leftstreet Mar 2013 #35
bullshit hfojvt Mar 2013 #38
He shoots! He scores! Bake Mar 2013 #62
The Bobby Kennedy/FDR/Harry S. Truman Democratic Party ! King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #185
1972, actually Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #186
My Bad, sorry. I just associate them both with Nixon. King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #191
it was more than that though hfojvt Mar 2013 #189
Those losses in the 1980s were very educational. MineralMan Mar 2013 #212
Voters did not "reject progressive candidates"--voters rejected candidates who ran lousy campaigns Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #225
There was a lot of talk about the Democratic Party throwing elections back then. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #261
except that is the wrong lesson hfojvt Mar 2013 #229
yes we do d_b Mar 2013 #39
First we need to destroy the Republican party. Motown_Johnny Mar 2013 #40
A-FUCKING-MEN MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #41
The system may be broken Blue4Texas Mar 2013 #42
We need a new Rethug party, too, don't ya think? The GOP we have now is full of criminals. judesedit Mar 2013 #47
K&R forestpath Mar 2013 #48
The current Democratic party wants to raise taxes on the wealthy gravity Mar 2013 #49
Uh, not quite. Maybe you missed the letter that many in the progressive caucus won't sign. Dawgs Mar 2013 #63
We don't need to build a NEW Democratic Party. bvar22 Mar 2013 #51
It hurts my heart chervilant Mar 2013 #204
Are You Sure? gussmith Mar 2013 #53
Was that at RW central? Or when did their taxes go up to 90% nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #60
Look Further down on DU front Page gussmith Mar 2013 #108
Really...somebody made a mistake nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #124
Modern history doesn't start in 1988 or 2003. hay rick Mar 2013 #82
Yup, taxed the most since their last tax cut which was one whole Progressive dog Mar 2013 #90
History of top rates. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #132
the President 'demanded' austerity? don't think so. spanone Mar 2013 #54
Du rec. Nt xchrom Mar 2013 #55
America never started polynomial Mar 2013 #56
You had to see it coming nineteen50 Mar 2013 #57
Close but no cigar... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #58
yes -nt Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #73
Why new DEMOCRATIC party, and not just party? Dawgs Mar 2013 #61
Because that would probably be a TOS violation. mathematic Mar 2013 #131
It's our party. The 99% believe in traditional Democratic values. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #141
+1 - nt dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #246
I love my Democrats Herlong Mar 2013 #66
Of course adieu Mar 2013 #68
We Need A Paradigm Shift In The Debate colsohlibgal Mar 2013 #69
The only time the Republicans worry about the deficit octoberlib Mar 2013 #87
Republican strategy is to spend fast and furious when they are in power, then GoneFishin Mar 2013 #157
Almost all our institutions are a complete wreck. I agree that there has to be some beachhead. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #71
That's why we need a movement. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #136
Occupy the Democratic Party? dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #247
At this point I recommend all of the above. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #249
No shit. jsr Mar 2013 #72
The country needs new government Loge23 Mar 2013 #74
Here's a poll: ProSense Mar 2013 #76
We need the Democratic Party of forty or fifty years ago back duffyduff Mar 2013 #77
Back then we had strong unions and their members were the majority of Cleita Mar 2013 #98
Harry Truman,.... is that you? bvar22 Mar 2013 #232
What can we do other then go to the streets. I'm already surprised that the people southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #78
the old one stopped representing our interests some time ago.... mike_c Mar 2013 #81
Fixing by tweaks is a long, difficult process, but it's all we have. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #86
We do need a new Democratic Party. valiberal26 Mar 2013 #88
I agree theKed Mar 2013 #89
I wish we'd make our tent a little smaller and send the conservadems back to the Republican Party Cleita Mar 2013 #94
A long awaited infrastucture program that is LONG overdue.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #97
NO. We need a new Republican party, one jazzimov Mar 2013 #102
Now it is the Third Way centrists who maintain that both Parties are equally at fault Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #202
Then you go build the New Democratic Party. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #104
You're totally right - Talk is easy; walking the walk is not; get off your asses pattiepcomedy Mar 2013 #112
MannyGoidstein - "We expect Republicans to do this stuff." - Free Pass Again TomCADem Mar 2013 #143
Should Lincoln have fired his losing generals? MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #171
"Manny and posts that attack the President will always get hundreds of recs." Number23 Mar 2013 #183
I don't give Republicans a pass--but we all know THEIR faults Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #243
+2,882,955 (the number of votes Nader took in 2000) graham4anything Mar 2013 #152
I would be great if Dems stopped being moderate Republicans and Republicans I Cant Dance Mar 2013 #109
that's been obvious for years, at least since Clinton changed it stupidicus Mar 2013 #110
We need reform felix_numinous Mar 2013 #116
Fox News called. gulliver Mar 2013 #126
We need the old Democratic Party back. Kick out the damn conservatives. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #127
Actually Social security iandhr Mar 2013 #128
That's based on faked projections MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #134
Do you have a link showing that both the CBO and the SSA is using ~8% UE rate I Cant Dance Mar 2013 #144
For example MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #164
Nobody can predict the future, so that argument goes in circles. You oppose lifting the SS cap. Romulox Mar 2013 #219
It's the position of those ProSense Mar 2013 #227
I couldn't agree with you (or Senator Sanders) more. The arguments against are insane. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #242
You are right. The Democratic Party is lost. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #135
The DC DEMs have stopped even paying lip service to the Party Plank. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #169
So, what's stopping you?...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #137
I have a theory ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #145
+22,198 and +4 (the number coincidentally that Nader got in New Hampshire) graham4anything Mar 2013 #153
I hear you, and I agree. I feel exactly the same about all the political parties here BelgianMadCow Mar 2013 #138
The current party would be viable if they prosecuted some war criminals just1voice Mar 2013 #139
yes, exactly, Manny RILib Mar 2013 #140
This is what I have been thinking Samantha Mar 2013 #142
Less message Board Snark - More Winning Elections alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #147
Thanks, Manny for Proposing this....we know how this goes.... KoKo Mar 2013 #148
This is what happens when the vast majority of the money and power is hoarded by just a few. w4rma Mar 2013 #149
I doubt voting alone will be enough limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #150
Yea mtasselin Mar 2013 #151
K&R. So true--and thanks for saying out loud! n/t Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2013 #154
I agree! I am so over Obama and most Democrats. emsimon33 Mar 2013 #155
Mmm, it's what's for dinner. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #170
Yes, many of us can remember when seniors were forced to eat dog food emsimon33 Mar 2013 #259
The party needs to go back to what it once was. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #156
you will get alot of recs from the tp trollers. DCBob Mar 2013 #158
Well, I think President Obama is a good start to build from - a template. Zax2me Mar 2013 #162
+10! (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2013 #165
Sure, not RILib Mar 2013 #195
I'm there. k and r Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #163
K&R blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #166
Manny....we need SOMETHING NEW! What it will be KoKo Mar 2013 #167
Yes, the need for serious change is obvious now. woo me with science Mar 2013 #172
We need a Party that represents the people Apophis Mar 2013 #173
Third Party Manny strikes again... dionysus Mar 2013 #175
I notice 10 hours after this thread started, you just added the following- graham4anything Mar 2013 #176
In what way is it inconsistent with what I posted at noon? MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #177
I love your posts. They are highly entertaining. Love conversing with you. graham4anything Mar 2013 #179
"We need to rebuild our party from the ground up." MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #180
"It's the trespassers who need to vacate." woo me with science Mar 2013 #182
This line of thinking is Bullcrap copperearth Mar 2013 #184
Stick a fork in it, she's DONE! blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #190
We are all with you, Manny Goldstein. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #193
You can't ''unrotten'' the apple, Manny. DeSwiss Mar 2013 #194
Me too... GTurck Mar 2013 #196
What we need is to get rid of the capitalism - TBF Mar 2013 #197
Unfortunately, this IS the New Democratic Party. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #199
Do you count President Obama among the "trespassers"? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #200
A well organized third progressive/liberal party is the only way INdemo Mar 2013 #201
...by splitting the Center-Left vote? brooklynite Mar 2013 #205
Why not? It's getting hijacked anyway. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #206
You can't explain these things to ideologues... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #213
We currently have two parties jockeying to split the center-right vote. hay rick Mar 2013 #245
That's exactly what we need ProSense Mar 2013 #207
the republican party WILL iamthebandfanman Mar 2013 #208
Yeah, ProSense Mar 2013 #209
You're wasting your breath here sir. n/t Hotler Mar 2013 #203
Our expensive healthcare tied to employers abelenkpe Mar 2013 #210
I'm an Obama loyalist and I'm proud of that. Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #211
+1 JustAnotherGen Mar 2013 #226
What is an Obama loyalist? rhett o rick Mar 2013 #235
It's really weird to read that isn't it? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #258
Issues are too complicated for someone whose first instinct is to compromise to solve Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #244
No kidding. Safetykitten Mar 2013 #214
If you aren't already, I hope you become a national delegate, Manny Wednesdays Mar 2013 #216
K & R, to be liberal is to want what our forefathers fully intended, to ensure the survival mother earth Mar 2013 #228
I agree with John2 Mar 2013 #230
@MannyGoldstein Raggaemon Mar 2013 #231
kick nt. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #240
Well said, very well said Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #251
as much as I hate to imitate the GOP DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #252
kick woo me with science Mar 2013 #253
A liberal one, not a progressive one Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #257
Bravo! cntrfthrs Mar 2013 #260
Among all the rec's Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #262
Excellent post, thanks. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #263
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