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jmg257

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16. Madison specifically refers to why he didn't propose any articles about standing armies...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:46 AM
Feb 2013

even though several states wanted them. Madison knew that any restriction would be ignored if "opposed to the decided sense of the public":


"Supposing a bill of rights to be proper the articles which ought to compose it, admit of much discussion. I am inclined to think that absolute restrictions in cases that are doubtful, or where emergencies may overrule them, ought to be avoided. The restrictions however strongly marked on paper will never be regarded when opposed to the decided sense of the public; and after repeated violations in extraordinary cases, they will lose even their ordinary efficacy. Should a Rebellion or insurrection alarm the people as well as the Government, and a suspension of the Hab. Corp. be dictated by the alarm, no written prohibitions on earth would prevent the measure. Should an army in time of peace be gradually established in our neighbourhood by Britn: or Spain, declarations on paper would have as little effect in preventing a standing force for the public safety. The best security agst. these evils is to remove the pretext for them."

James Madison to Jefferson, 1788


Hence the security for ensuring effective Militias, to avoid the pretext for maintaining standing armies.

ETA: Of course that never turned out as well as the founders hoped, as not too many took the duty/right of bearing arms all that seriously.
To be fair, guns are still here. Racism is long gone. onehandle Feb 2013 #1
Some of my best friends are (insert minority) ! DetlefK Feb 2013 #2
All of the colorblind people say that they can't see racism MrScorpio Feb 2013 #3
2nd Amendment? For grammar students it has always been out of date. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #4
OK, you're going to have to explain that one to me. Scuba Feb 2013 #5
Probably referring to the awkward sentence structure? deutsey Feb 2013 #6
Ye gads! It was written by a freeper? gtar100 Feb 2013 #10
Other then some scribe's possible addition of commas, it wasn't all that strange an article. jmg257 Feb 2013 #12
The problem was Madison (Who wrote the bill of rights) wanted to do two things with the Amendment. happyslug Feb 2013 #18
Interesting...thanks! n/t deutsey Feb 2013 #19
Thank you for a very insightful analysis bringing in lots of background. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #20
Pretty sure Madison would be ok with handguns...especially jmg257 Feb 2013 #21
Actually if you read the 1792 Act, pistols were ONLY permitted for calvary happyslug Feb 2013 #22
Does the 'ability of the people to get firearms in case the govts ignore the militia' jmg257 Feb 2013 #23
I referred to the Militia of the 1790s when I mentioned "Independent" Organization happyslug Feb 2013 #25
Good stuff! Thanks for the insight! nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #29
Very interesting... Deep13 Feb 2013 #27
it is badly written Skittles Feb 2013 #24
If you think the 2nd Amendment is out of date, there is a procedure for fixing that badtoworse Feb 2013 #7
That is not the point of the OP. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #9
oblivious bigtree Feb 2013 #15
Ever notice that the first amendment is implied christianity, docgee Feb 2013 #8
The Bill Of Rights was ratified, Island Deac Feb 2013 #11
Madison specifically refers to why he didn't propose any articles about standing armies... jmg257 Feb 2013 #16
The subject has come up that one has no constitutional right to bonniebgood Feb 2013 #13
Yeah, and who knew that voting was an entitlement? sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #14
It's all about their mind games.... hue Feb 2013 #17
K&R MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #26
If applied currently PATRICK Mar 2013 #28
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