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In reply to the discussion: Top 10 H-1B Visa Companies All Specialize in Shipping American Jobs Overseas [View all]jeff47
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As if they make up a huge percentage of the work force.
27% of IT jobs, as I mentioned in another post. Even showed you the math.
So, what's your threshold for "huge percentage"? Do you think a massive pay cut on about 1/4 of your industry might have an effect on the pay in the rest of your industry?
And every employer rubs his hands together cackling with glee that they can replace their US workers with foreigners whom they intend to employ in violation of federal law.
No, just the ones like IBM and Microsoft.
Basically, large companies want lots of H-1B workers because their management got MBA degrees, not CS degrees. So they assume all labor is interchangeable and that the low cost of the H-1B workers will be an enormous benefit. They offshore for the same reason. It doesn't work out very well, but the math keeps looking good, so they keep trying it.
And no, it's not something as stupid as "dem peoples iz dumb".
Both the H-1B and the offshoring companies are worried about getting as much cash as possible today, because IBM or Microsoft won't be paying them later. So they produce shoddy work quickly and cheaply to maximize their short-term profits. Plus, who's gonna sign up for the H-1B program in New Delhi? The guy who's really good and already getting paid well in his homeland, or the guy who's having trouble finding work because he's "meh" at what he does?
This doesn't happen with physical products like iPhones because the company can measure the quality of the product - the phone can be taken appart and the workmanship physically measured. Software quality is not so easily measured, especially by the MBAs running these projects.
Employees who are citizens and green card holders actually believe they will be employed by the company longer-term, so they are more concerned about producing good work that keeps them at the company for a long time.
Will top that off with a big conspiracy never to hire anyone who ever reported their competitors for violations of the law.
It doesn't require a conspiracy. It requires google. You do realize employers routinely search for potential employees to see what turns up, right? When they find a candidate who testified against their employer, that candidate's resume moves to the bottom of the pile or the trash.
Happens regardless of the topic of the testimony - non-union employees who testify about other workplace violations tend to have a similar difficulty finding work.
If we lived in such a terrible world, it would be a dystopia.
Welcome to dystopia.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
Further, the DOL is not going to be completely uncaring, they are charged with enforcing the law. They can get the records and analyze whether the reviews are dishonest.
Based on what? Reviews of software developers are utterly subjective. There are no metrics by which you can measure how "good" a software developer is.
Lines of code? Could be lots of good code or lots of crap. Number of bugs fixed? Fixing one hard problem is more valuable than fixing 100 easy ones. So there's no unbiased measurement the DoL could use to show the employer was lying about the employee's performance.
The only way the DoL could prove a case of retaliation would be if the company was dumb enough to retaliate quickly. And occasionally, companies are so dumb. But much more often they use the leeway of subjective reviews and work assignments to make the employee look bad first, and then they fire them. They don't give the employee a pink slip as they walk off the witness stand.
One person's experience doesn't prove a point as much as statistics do.
Apparently my providing you with statistics didn't prove anything either.
and I have experience with the state actually going after employers for not paying wages, not having worker's comp insurance, penalizing them for retaliatory firings and denying unemployment compensation.
I'm guessing these were "blue collar" jobs. Employers often underestimate the intelligence of "blue collar" workers. So the employer isn't so careful about retaliatory firings.
Not so with software developers (or most other "white collar" jobs). They assume we know how to find lawyers. So employers push for laws to disarm us, instead of assuming we have no weapons. That's why there's no cases about "not paying wages" to software developers - overtime laws literally have an exception for software developers and IT staff.
And that's why employers are pushing so hard for more H-1B visas: they need the law to change to drive wages down further.
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Top 10 H-1B Visa Companies All Specialize in Shipping American Jobs Overseas [View all]
The Straight Story
Feb 2013
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Because googling means you have more information than those who live through it, right?
jeff47
Feb 2013
#29
And if you actually had read my posts, you'd see that I'm fully aware of such a law
jeff47
Feb 2013
#28
One should also have to recognize all the facts, something you so-called centrists
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#20
All of them except Accenture (Formerly Anderson Consulting), IBM, M$, & Deloitte
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#21