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Xithras

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270. None of that information was in the original article.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:20 AM
Feb 2013

The article linked in the original post presented the situation as two loose dogs chasing down sheep on some sort of farm, and the rancher shooting them. That's an entirely justifiable thing to do.

Your information, if correct, is a very different scenario than the one suggested by the original post. If the dogs were not acting aggressively, then he had no legal right to shoot them. You can shoot an animal to DEFEND your pets or livestock, but you can't shoot an animal simply because it wandered onto your property. The guy should be prosecuted.

Anyone that lets their pet go free-range should not expect to keep it long. alphafemale Feb 2013 #1
Dogs get out by accident Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #4
Yes, justified. Yes, necessary. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #29
No Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #35
What part of they escaped don't you get? joeybee12 Feb 2013 #36
Interesting that you draw the conclusion that this was a ONE time occurance... Earth_First Feb 2013 #44
Interesting that you think this was a continual problem.. joeybee12 Feb 2013 #47
An article mentioned in the story refers to this being a one-time occurrence. yewberry Feb 2013 #78
I love my lab, but I also know that no ones dog should chase my livestock peacebird Feb 2013 #96
the farmer is inhumane fucking scum frylock Feb 2013 #98
Do you live in the country? Do you have livestock? Dogs chasing sheep can cause them to abort. peacebird Feb 2013 #105
This didn't take place inthe "country." yewberry Feb 2013 #122
Sorry, but the law protects livestock from harrassment by dogs. And that is a good thing. peacebird Feb 2013 #129
This may or may not have been legal. Shooting up a neighborhood is generally frowned upon, though. yewberry Feb 2013 #140
I have four dogs, two are australian cattle dogs, natural herders auburngrad82 Feb 2013 #308
Please look at the pics of those dogs. He didn't have to shoot them. phleshdef Feb 2013 #162
I grew up on a farm. Shotgun with pepper was used. MH1 Feb 2013 #338
you know him? snooper2 Feb 2013 #313
Yes he was newfie11 Feb 2013 #132
what threat was posed by fucking herd dogs?! frylock Feb 2013 #97
so they weren't wolves, loves_dulcinea Feb 2013 #120
So profit is more important than a family member? dorkzilla Feb 2013 #131
No. It is a family livelihood as opposed to a family pet. peacebird Feb 2013 #137
Right, I get that. I grew up on a farm. But he shot them both in the head. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #144
Having been "treed" by so called "friendly family" dogs who changed personality when in a pack peacebird Feb 2013 #149
Must have been frightening, I'm sure. But here's the thing... dorkzilla Feb 2013 #170
Yup Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #201
Thank you for clarifying things. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #212
You're welcome! dorkzilla Feb 2013 #224
Likely emboldened by the gun nut apologist culture that's lost it's mind Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #228
I did exactly what you did (if I can be so bold as to assume) Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #230
Sick, isn't it. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #234
Some, many, people hate to admit they're wrong Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #235
Yeah, the facts need to be weighed in context. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #237
Same here dorkzilla Feb 2013 #243
I Wondered Myself RobinA Feb 2013 #295
nice work! frylock Feb 2013 #239
Nobody on Chester Springs RobinA Feb 2013 #294
"vicious Bernese Mountain Dogs"...said no person ever. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #311
Thank you very much for including the context. MH1 Feb 2013 #339
What if my daughter in a fit of naughtiness was out chasing the livestock? Would you Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #302
the sheep were lawn mowers, not a business........ kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #285
This Educational Video Was Developed for You snooper2 Feb 2013 #315
herd dogs love to 'chase' livestock, untrained and no human direction..they are a threat. Sunlei Feb 2013 #261
Herding is one of the ways wolves hunt animals. MineralMan Feb 2013 #288
We spent a few hundred dollars on a stray that was attacked by a pack of dogs auburngrad82 Feb 2013 #312
Excellent post. A must-read for everyone on this thread! anneboleyn Feb 2013 #332
Bernese Mountain Dogs pose a threat to noone. robinlynne Feb 2013 #115
except mayors in a tree Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #291
nice. robinlynne Feb 2013 #336
here's why: fuck their livelihood. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #165
My pets = my children. pitbullgirl1965 Feb 2013 #277
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Feb 2013 #55
Or when a kid leaves a door ajar in the home Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #62
what a shock you would take such a stance frylock Feb 2013 #99
NO kidding. laundry_queen Feb 2013 #303
Dogs occassionally get loose from responsible owners. That doesn't mean they should be shot. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #128
I can speak from authority here backwoodsbob Feb 2013 #263
or when a FUCKING BRANCH FALLS AND BREAKS A FENCE 0rganism Feb 2013 #146
U mad? slackmaster Feb 2013 #153
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #154
U wrong? Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #245
Nonsense, it's not always negligencew Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #292
"I forgot to shut the gate" = negligence slackmaster Feb 2013 #293
If it were the first time, it it would not be justified......... wandy Feb 2013 #76
it was a one-time event.. frylock Feb 2013 #100
Dogs kill sheep, that is a fact and I am sure he told the owners larkrake Feb 2013 #152
You are sure are you? dorkzilla Feb 2013 #249
I'll second that. I've seen it done. montanto Feb 2013 #297
I know of a case in which a miniature horse was killed by roaming "family dogs" anneboleyn Feb 2013 #330
you did not read article.......... kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #287
Congratulations on your failure.... whistler162 Feb 2013 #2
No, they were his neighbor's family pets Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #8
A dog is a pet. The sheep were the neighbors' life and dinner on the table. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #31
Maybe they can because they're not assholes joeybee12 Feb 2013 #39
It's not okay for someone's dogs to endanger a neighbor's sheep even the 1st time it happened KittyWampus Feb 2013 #90
how were the sheep endangered? frylock Feb 2013 #101
Sheep know the dogs that herd them, these were dogs chasing and harrassing them.... peacebird Feb 2013 #111
naw, i'm just some dumb fuck city slicker.. frylock Feb 2013 #112
I'm a former city slicker, but I understand and appreciate the "rules" of country life peacebird Feb 2013 #117
you may want to read further the details of this story.. frylock Feb 2013 #238
REALLY! can you sing too? Nodaka snooper2 Feb 2013 #316
Sheep and goats are killed by wandering dogs in rural areas anneboleyn Feb 2013 #331
Well, there are those of us who don't get our kicks from murdering animals DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #50
There are a lot of DU'ers who only get their food from grocery stores and have never lived KittyWampus Feb 2013 #91
What? I suppose you are a subsistence farmer? Kolesar Feb 2013 #119
the condescension in this thread would be laughable if not for the nature of the OP frylock Feb 2013 #241
nonsense.. frylock Feb 2013 #240
Sheep in my state are a past time and not a livelihood. Cows are the livelihood in this state. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #289
Er, um, you may want to check further into the context of this incident, MH1 Feb 2013 #340
He has been charged, because "attack was not in progress" MH1 Feb 2013 #341
It's not insane. It just doesn't conform to urban and suburban sensibilities. JVS Feb 2013 #52
Bingo! I live in the country and have a lab that I adore, but I know that it is my job to make sure peacebird Feb 2013 #102
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #108
Indeed 2naSalit Feb 2013 #181
The modern city dweller... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #191
Well 2naSalit Feb 2013 #198
Can I kill his sheep is they get out and wander on my property? n-t Logical Feb 2013 #10
You chose "Logical" as your nick? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #32
Serious question. Answer it. n-t Logical Feb 2013 #40
dogs are predators handmade34 Feb 2013 #107
Don't be so sure Fla_Democrat Feb 2013 #251
What if the sheep laundry_queen Feb 2013 #305
quite possibly handmade34 Feb 2013 #320
Sheep can get loose. I have found a pair of horses in my yard and once I found a goat. Fencing appleannie1 Feb 2013 #290
If you can prove that they are a hazard to you or your property, yes. Xithras Feb 2013 #77
If they broke my fence I guess I could shoot them. n-t Logical Feb 2013 #80
Nope. Xithras Feb 2013 #82
LOL, you realize if they broke my fence getting IN they could break another place getting out?? n-t Logical Feb 2013 #83
I guess you could make that argument to the sheriff. Xithras Feb 2013 #88
Really, the animal he let escape broke my fence and was going to break more stuff.... Logical Feb 2013 #92
Theoretical vs. real danger. Xithras Feb 2013 #103
If his sheep are damaging your crops, loves_dulcinea Feb 2013 #124
Interesting. Makes sense I guess. Thanks! n-t Logical Feb 2013 #125
And if the sheep get out and shit in my yard? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2013 #136
Piece of shit Drale Feb 2013 #3
Nice - is 1 person worth 1 dog, or 2? Fucking gun owners say shit like this. Sorry - humans jmg257 Feb 2013 #33
Nice animal hating logic... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #41
I know I know - I get it, so feel free to just shoot the guy! jmg257 Feb 2013 #60
Yeah, we're talking about shooting him..way to bring that in joeybee12 Feb 2013 #65
Oh I'm sorry - did you miss this? "The dogs owners should now be able to shot this man on sight." jmg257 Feb 2013 #69
DId I post that? Sorry, I guess I did becauswe I use joeybee12 Feb 2013 #70
Of course I know you didn't say that. But your response was to my response jmg257 Feb 2013 #74
I think 1 dog is worth more than 1 gun nut n/t Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #53
I'm sure you do. So just take 'em out and we'll need less gun control. jmg257 Feb 2013 #64
Fargo style would be nice............./NT kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #284
Cattlemen will shoot your dogs to. upaloopa Feb 2013 #5
Well, this a small farm in PA Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #14
yep. some people are just itching for an excuse to kill something.. frylock Feb 2013 #104
Huh Oneka Feb 2013 #229
He could have handled things differently mokawanis Feb 2013 #6
That would require logic cabot Feb 2013 #9
When two large dogs are chasing your animals - LONG & PROFANE csziggy Feb 2013 #155
waller, tex. my friend lost 2 calves and several young show cattle shreaded ears to pet dog packs Sunlei Feb 2013 #200
Strays are a problem all over the place csziggy Feb 2013 #210
How sad, no companion dogs? I always will have companion dogs in my life. Sunlei Feb 2013 #225
No, no more dogs for me and it was a good decision. csziggy Feb 2013 #233
kitties and horses are good pets Sunlei Feb 2013 #252
Nice horse! csziggy Feb 2013 #269
what a pretty girl! anneboleyn Feb 2013 #333
As much as it pains me to say it cabot Feb 2013 #7
Dogs get out accidentally Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #11
I agree cabot Feb 2013 #17
I didn't think you were condoning it. Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #21
Oh...we both agree on that point cabot Feb 2013 #22
It doesn't pain you. Don't bullshit us. upaloopa Feb 2013 #12
You don't know me cabot Feb 2013 #19
Yes it is sad. alphafemale Feb 2013 #23
Legally, he can do this - not rare in rural areas, or even not-so-rural when livestock are involved hatrack Feb 2013 #27
Sad but true.. Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #66
No, he didn't joeybee12 Feb 2013 #43
Just about anyone who has livestock will shoot a dog that is harassing them. Autumn Feb 2013 #13
Wow, you're a sicko Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #15
Not a sicko at all. Dogs can do a lot of damage to smaller livestock. Autumn Feb 2013 #18
You said you'd do the same thing Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #24
And while the farmer goes and looks for the owners of the dogs Autumn Feb 2013 #30
You're justifying murdering family pets Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #38
For all the man knew, the dogs were going to kill his sheep csziggy Feb 2013 #166
Really, domesticated dogs? Natural herders? joeybee12 Feb 2013 #58
I didn't call them natural herders, the article stated that. Autumn Feb 2013 #79
An untrained "natural herder" can do plenty of damage. alphafemale Feb 2013 #163
Dude, go out and take a walk or something. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #199
Is trhere evidence they did that? joeybee12 Feb 2013 #45
I think it's very inappropriate for you to stoop to name-calling here, Sugarcoated. slackmaster Feb 2013 #73
...and if these dogs had killed or injured his livestock? Earth_First Feb 2013 #16
Then take it to court Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #20
So now the the farmer has to incur lawyer fees too...? Earth_First Feb 2013 #25
if they were chasing his livestock Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #28
I'm not a city dweller, I come from a small town in upstate NY Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #49
Screw your stupid post... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #54
You know this was in a residential neighborhood, right? yewberry Feb 2013 #84
Why do the dogs get to live and the sheep have to die? Xithras Feb 2013 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Feb 2013 #217
Poor dogs, poor family! smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #26
Control your pets Crepuscular Feb 2013 #34
I'm a responsible pet owner BainsBane Feb 2013 #56
Do you have a crystal ball? Crepuscular Feb 2013 #87
I highly doubt it BainsBane Feb 2013 #89
Getting chased Crepuscular Feb 2013 #94
if someone killed my dog BainsBane Feb 2013 #133
have you ever tried to stop a dog in a frenzy? csziggy Feb 2013 #172
only when my dog gets into spats BainsBane Feb 2013 #182
Check out the link another DUer posted csziggy Feb 2013 #186
What if he had killed your cats? BainsBane Feb 2013 #189
Which dog? Mine? Or the neighbor's dogs that attacked the cats? csziggy Feb 2013 #197
If they behaved badly BainsBane Feb 2013 #214
The dog that killed the goat had been perfectly behaved csziggy Feb 2013 #223
If you live in a rural area and your dog chases your Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #37
Maybe in Arkansas Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #42
Have you ever lived in a rural setting? Have you evet Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #57
I Live RobinA Feb 2013 #306
It would fly in Virginia JVS Feb 2013 #63
Legal in PA. It would be OK in most parts of California as well. slackmaster Feb 2013 #75
Not legal in PA yewberry Feb 2013 #167
Oh, he's in deep caca Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #206
Did you bother to read the article cited in the OP? slackmaster Feb 2013 #281
Yes, along with some other articles about it. yewberry Feb 2013 #322
More details here: MH1 Feb 2013 #343
Legal in Rhode Island hack89 Feb 2013 #184
It'll happen in Calif mitchtv Feb 2013 #192
That's a shame Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #48
Well, since it's always been that way, it's ok... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #59
That's not the way it's always been. This is a very recent trend DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #67
Actually, most state codes have sections relating to just this circumstance. See the post a few up.. X_Digger Feb 2013 #151
My point was that DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #168
If you think that back in antiquity, other means weren't used to kill roaming dogs.. X_Digger Feb 2013 #185
Yes, but did shepherds on occasion resort to just scaring them off on occasion? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #187
I would expect that the goal would be to stop the attacking dog. If it were killed, so be it. n/t X_Digger Feb 2013 #202
Yes, be it so. I've made my point; you've made yours. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #203
You ought to talk to some of the ranchers in West County. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #205
Admittedly, I've always been a city dweller, whether SR or elsewhere DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #215
Slings were used to protect livestock long before guns.. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #218
Thanks for that DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #222
This wasn't in a rural area. yewberry Feb 2013 #86
I don't mean to sound harsh but 2naSalit Feb 2013 #190
This incident does, in fact, involve an unbalanced individual on the loose with a gun DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #307
Not cool shooting dogs... raidert05 Feb 2013 #46
You must not get out in the country much, Sugarcoated. slackmaster Feb 2013 #51
Doesn't mean she/he is not right... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #61
He cornered one of the dogs as it cowered Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #211
the truth of what happened will surface and a lot of posters supporting this.. frylock Feb 2013 #246
you fucking live in san diego, country joe. frylock Feb 2013 #106
The only real question, for me, is whether the rancher knew that the dogs belonged to a neighbor. Xithras Feb 2013 #68
Thank you for this much needed perspective on the situation... n/t Earth_First Feb 2013 #72
Bernese mountain Dogs are extremely gentle. robinlynne Feb 2013 #121
While that may be so... Xithras Feb 2013 #126
And gentle dogs can be aggressive to other people than their owners csziggy Feb 2013 #177
They are sheep herding dogs. A sheep farmer would probably know that. especially if they live next robinlynne Feb 2013 #337
as a dog groomer, I am qualified larkrake Feb 2013 #158
A lot of dogs hate groomers, so you're not really qualified, no. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #178
Thank you! csziggy Feb 2013 #174
Neighbor's dogs killed our chickens snpsmom Feb 2013 #71
Sorry about the lose of your chickens. A guy move here w/ a pack of huskies he allowed to roam free KittyWampus Feb 2013 #93
you handled the situation in the best possible fashion.. frylock Feb 2013 #109
Owners of sheep and cattle herds will have guns. amandabeech Feb 2013 #81
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #85
So far, I don't see any real reason to be mad at the farmer. Captain Stern Feb 2013 #95
they were both shot in the head.. frylock Feb 2013 #110
The shooter was just being a sadistic creep Kolesar Feb 2013 #118
What makes you think he was being a sadistic creep? Captain Stern Feb 2013 #266
The owner claims he shot them while they were standing in front of him not running. TeamPooka Feb 2013 #299
I have a small farm and raise dairy goats. murray hill farm Feb 2013 #123
thank you handmade34 Feb 2013 #268
More details here; read and you will see. MH1 Feb 2013 #344
shot the two dogs in the head.. frylock Feb 2013 #113
That's precisely what's raising the red flag for me over this. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #127
evidently he shot one in the face, the other was cowering in a corner.. frylock Feb 2013 #256
Oh, wow. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #327
There is nothing sweeter than a Bernese. gentle. sweet. robinlynne Feb 2013 #114
good people and neighbors sigmasix Feb 2013 #130
Facebook group -- Justice for Argus and Fiona Kolesar Feb 2013 #134
Good, the god dam dog should have been shot 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #135
Spare us the drama. The dogs were not killing the sheep Kolesar Feb 2013 #139
apparently, this guy shot them after getting them to stand still 0rganism Feb 2013 #142
you ever seen what a zombie does to a sheep? frylock Feb 2013 #250
This may be an ignorant question, but... OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #138
Despite the fact that Pilotti told police the dogs made no contact with his sheep, ... Kolesar Feb 2013 #141
It'd be a shame if somebody burned down that motherfucker's house tabasco Feb 2013 #143
Wow...Is that with him and his family inside or not? jmg257 Feb 2013 #147
Apparently it is now ok to advocate arson and attempted murder here now, Throckmorton Feb 2013 #301
Mrs. Bock thinks Pilotti let the dogs into the sheep pen so that he could kill them Kolesar Feb 2013 #145
That's heartbreaking. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #156
No one help this sick bastard if these allegations can be proved. I won't type what I am thinking. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #271
The people defending this sicko should be ashamed of themselves. smokey nj Feb 2013 #160
And every 15 minutes, another defender shows up on this thread...eom Kolesar Feb 2013 #161
It's either out of ignorance of the details of this particular case... dorkzilla Feb 2013 #175
Nope. He gives all livestock owners a bad rep. UncleYoder Feb 2013 #279
The usual "Democratic" gunfuckers. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #180
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #253
Poseur gungeoneers claiming to be livestock farmers Kolesar Feb 2013 #274
whatever his legal rationale may be... 0rganism Feb 2013 #148
Neighbor dogs are # 1 predators of sheep and goats. TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #150
Which is way counter to all of the information on this thread Kolesar Feb 2013 #157
I raise dairy goats that are protected by livestock guard dogs. TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #179
I sympathize with the rancher Mortos Feb 2013 #159
happens every day where i live. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #164
If only the dogs had been armed Orrex Feb 2013 #169
Here is a blog from a sheep rancher's perspective Mortos Feb 2013 #171
This was not a "rancher." yewberry Feb 2013 #176
Some people are making a lot of assumptions about this story Mortos Feb 2013 #183
the police investigating this are making a lot of assumptions as well, but here are some facts.. frylock Feb 2013 #258
I'm not making assumptions. yewberry Feb 2013 #262
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Feb 2013 #173
I hope this highlights the importance of keeping your dogs penned proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #188
A tree limb fell and BROKE THE FENCE dorkzilla Feb 2013 #194
Well then let's all make sure we keep our trees trimmed. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #280
One dog might be called off; two or more dogs generally exhibit hunting pack behavior FarCenter Feb 2013 #193
He wasn't a farmer and he wasn't right. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #195
I've looked up both addresses FarCenter Feb 2013 #207
Just cause someone doesn't live in a McMansion doesn't mean they're a farmer. Just like dorkzilla Feb 2013 #213
A rural/suburbanite conflict. MadHound Feb 2013 #196
Blame the dog owners - lynne Feb 2013 #204
Read the article. A tree branch broke the fence. The dogs had NEVER been off the property before. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #216
The article linked in the OP doesn't reference a fence - lynne Feb 2013 #255
On the Farm RobinA Feb 2013 #314
My dog ran into one of those kind of fuckwits when I was 5. Said he had chickens. Didn't. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #208
So sorry dorkzilla Feb 2013 #254
Bent it for sure. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #257
Hugs to you {{{{lonestarnot}}}} dorkzilla Feb 2013 #260
legal to shoot dogs in your pasture yes, but what an ass if the dogs were catchable and he knew whos Sunlei Feb 2013 #209
Sadder still, from the time the dogs got out through a broken fence till... dorkzilla Feb 2013 #221
It's freaking amazing Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #227
Un.fucking.believable. dorkzilla Feb 2013 #236
SENSIBLE GUN LAWS NOW!!! Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #244
Apparently not, Sugar. We're "old school" I guess! dorkzilla Feb 2013 #248
fucking lunatics will always defend fucking lunatics frylock Feb 2013 #259
As a livestock owner and a dog owner, I think the sheep owner had the right to kill the dogs. Redford Feb 2013 #219
Read post #226 Sugarcoated Feb 2013 #232
I could NOT have shot those dogs for chasing my sheep. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #220
y'all aren't reading the information d_r Feb 2013 #226
Absolutely spot on. THIS^^^ Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #242
THANK YOU! dorkzilla Feb 2013 #247
+1 TDale313 Feb 2013 #267
I can't believe people are defending this POS either. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #272
None of that information was in the original article. Xithras Feb 2013 #270
PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE YOU DEFEND THE "FARMER" dorkzilla Feb 2013 #231
Jail the shooter, change the law, ban the guns mwrguy Feb 2013 #264
My blood is boiling... TDale313 Feb 2013 #265
+1. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #273
+ 2 life long demo Feb 2013 #275
Same here. This story makes me feel VIOLENT and I don't like feeling that way. phleshdef Feb 2013 #325
The Dogs were just being what they were, herding dogs following their instincts… MrScorpio Feb 2013 #276
Pilotti let the dogs into his sheep pen so that he could shoot them at close range Kolesar Feb 2013 #278
No Surprise That Our Resident Gun Enthusiasts Are Siding With The Farmer. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #282
NO gun nutz should be a rule here........ kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #286
Certainly not all of them Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #328
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #283
What an erudite post. - nt badtoworse Feb 2013 #298
Rather psychotic, eh? Nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #321
This guy is an asshole who overreacted to dogs chasing his sheep. TeamPooka Feb 2013 #296
Chesco sheep owner charged in killing of two dogs Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #300
My thoughts Nine Feb 2013 #304
The DA has now charged Pilotti Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #309
I've worked on a number of sheep farms and EVERY ONE had signs posted... mike_c Feb 2013 #310
I know. Why the lack of knowledge here concerning the threat posed to livestock? anneboleyn Feb 2013 #334
You and Mr. Gun are being obtuse Kolesar Feb 2013 #335
i would file a complaint with whatever local authorities there are in the area rdking647 Feb 2013 #317
Update: the shooter has been charged with 2 crimes rdking647 Feb 2013 #318
2 charges--the state could offer a plea bargain so he doesn't create a circus in a jury trial Kolesar Feb 2013 #323
So this jackass not only shot 2 dogs that weren't actually threatening his sheep... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #329
Yes, but also, in a way, a victim of the pro-gun culture. MH1 Feb 2013 #342
now that hes been charged with reckless endangerment rdking647 Feb 2013 #319
Good. Seems like he needs to learn alternative methods to handle these situations. MH1 Feb 2013 #345
There are some heartless NRA fanatics on here. pitbullgirl1965 Feb 2013 #324
I'd make him sorry get the red out Feb 2013 #326
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