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Light House

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62. You think that the U.S, wouldn't come to the aid of Japan?
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:41 PM
Feb 2013

The U.S. Military and Japan's Military are intertwined and China would certainly kill American's with any strike on Japanese military units/bases.
You think President Obama would just sit by while China attacks Japan? Especially if scores of Americans were killed?

No, my friend, President Obama would order offensive military action against China's air and sea assets.

Don't forget, China's military is mainly configured for the defense of the mainland, their ability to project power beyond their borders is negligent, they have no transport capability to speak of to move troops very far and those transport aircraft they do have would be shot down PDQ by carrier aircraft.

Another thing to consider is that China knows that if they attacked Japan, they would lose their #1 market for their cheap and shoddy goods which would devastate the Chinese economy, that reason right there is why I believe that China won't attack Japan.

Major concern. ananda Feb 2013 #1
Without US intervention, Japan would lose, badly NickB79 Feb 2013 #2
China may feel that the US is in such a weakened state that it will not back up Japan.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #3
the UN should declare the islands to be International Peace Parks Berlum Feb 2013 #23
A very noble suggestion, Light House Feb 2013 #30
Very, very untrue. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #4
Japan is the dominant military power in the region after the US hack89 Feb 2013 #20
Well, China does have nuclear-powered submarines and nuclear weapons. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #26
I was referring to conventional military forces - I don't foresee a nuclear war hack89 Feb 2013 #27
Japan doesn't have nukes the same way Israel doesn't. Meaning its bullshit. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #58
By your logic, do Bolivia and Sri Lanka have nukes? n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #68
It isn't a theory it is an open secret. Bolivia and Sri Lanka don't have reactor grade plutonium. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #70
Japan has virtually no natural resources. It can't power those plains or ships Romulox Feb 2013 #31
Modern wars between modern high tech opponents will be short wars hack89 Feb 2013 #32
So now you're positing a war between China on one side, and Japan AND the USA on the other. Romulox Feb 2013 #37
I don't see why that's improbable. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #38
It's a childish fantasy. My point about Japan's utter inability to fuel its armies stands. Romulox Feb 2013 #41
You're missing the point. Light House Feb 2013 #44
No, I'm not missing anything. You are positing a scenario that is not now, nor is likely ever to be Romulox Feb 2013 #48
I would hope that it never happens, Light House Feb 2013 #50
Then you can rest easy. nt Romulox Feb 2013 #54
Japan has plenty of such ability. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #61
Nobody wants a war between Japan and China Light House Feb 2013 #42
Nonsense. We would find a way to demure. We cannot engage in war with China. Romulox Feb 2013 #43
Why would it be an impossibility? Light House Feb 2013 #45
China owns our debt and manufacturing capabilities. We do not have the ability to wage large Romulox Feb 2013 #47
Nobody's talking about a large scale war, Light House Feb 2013 #52
War is about supply chains and money, more than missiles. That's why these scenarios are silly. Romulox Feb 2013 #53
The supply chain isn't a problem Light House Feb 2013 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #63
It is easy to posit such a war if things get out of hand and China miscalculates. hack89 Feb 2013 #57
I think over the next 10 years we'll see Japan re-arming .. Ganja Ninja Feb 2013 #5
"carriers" Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #9
"Hundreds of millions of troops can be wiped out very quickly without using nukes" OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #15
Just so you know, China has the following military stats.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #22
None of that matters much in a war against Japan. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #33
If I'm China, I take out Japan's air bases/air force/naval units immediately using.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #46
Japan would immediately invoke the treaty Light House Feb 2013 #49
Sorry, but that sounds like the standard right-wing propaganda that has gotten us .... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #59
You think that the U.S, wouldn't come to the aid of Japan? Light House Feb 2013 #62
You're welcome to your opinion, but quite a bit has changed since W lied to get us.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #65
And you're welcome to your opinion Light House Feb 2013 #66
They already have a large and modern military hack89 Feb 2013 #21
If you consider 250,000 military personnel as "large".... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #24
It won't be a land war hack89 Feb 2013 #25
Numbers, numbers, numbers....China has them and Japan does not.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #67
China cannot project power far from her coast hack89 Feb 2013 #69
I disagree. Let's leave it at that. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #71
China also has disputes with the nations that surround the South China Sea. amandabeech Feb 2013 #6
Add South Korea to the list as well davidpdx Feb 2013 #18
Yes, thank you for reminding me of the Korean's disputes. amandabeech Feb 2013 #29
If something like this happened Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #7
this is a little scary quinnox Feb 2013 #8
Agree. ananda Feb 2013 #17
Meanwhile US corporations continue to enrich China. DevonRex Feb 2013 #10
China and India fought a border war in 1962. If India is protecting its border with China now, pampango Feb 2013 #11
"In a first, Indian tank brigades to defend China border" DevonRex Feb 2013 #12
When I served in the US Navy mick063 Feb 2013 #13
Not likely, no. Neither side has anything to gain and much to lose. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #14
INCSEA ananda Feb 2013 #16
As someone else in the thread pointed out many other countries are involved as well davidpdx Feb 2013 #19
I'm the author of the post to which you are referring. amandabeech Feb 2013 #51
Moving tanks is a show. cloudbase Feb 2013 #28
Which would give Japan a decided advantage Light House Feb 2013 #36
The real problem in all of this OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #34
Be offended if you like, but this is the most inane post of the year 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #35
Japans Navy and Air Force are far superior to China's. Light House Feb 2013 #39
Sorry, 1-Old-Man, but your post is the inane one. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #40
Read my post #24. Do you REALLY define 250,000 military personnel as "substantial"??.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #55
Number of personnel makes little difference in a very geographically separated war. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #60
Which Japan's assets are far superior to China's. Light House Feb 2013 #64
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