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ProgressiveProfessor

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15. I question the relevance of his sources and his projection of them nation wide

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:03 PM

Feb 2013

Different areas have different needs. STEM students in the SoCal area do well, in and out of the defense industry. Been that way for quite some time. The cited article admits this.

The article spoke of "extensive STEM training" That reads to me to be MS level or better. The article also compares the difference in growth between Bio-medical engineers vs home health care aides, but ignores the differences required in terms of training requirements and the salaries received.

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The STEM shortage myth [View all] HiPointDem Feb 2013 OP

Also, if we really do have a shortage, why are h1b visas not coming from these countries? cap Feb 2013 #1

Ooo! Ooo! Let me answer! Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #3

How did you determine that they are the Top Ten for STEM? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #6

Exactly. Chathamization Feb 2013 #2

Good critique. hay rick Feb 2013 #56

Its great to have real numbers that back the anecdotes I read on DU and elsewhere. Of IT guys riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #4

Its still just anecdotes coupled with some spin from both sides ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #7

Unfortunately, those stereotypes are mostly true TransitJohn Feb 2013 #22

None of my students ever had a problem finding a technical position ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #5

no, PP, it's not just one data point. being a professor, you ought to know that. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #8

His oped is indeed one data point as is my experience ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #12

the article talks about a number of data points; avtual research, as opposed to anecdotal HiPointDem Feb 2013 #14

I question the relevance of his sources and his projection of them nation wide ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #15

& i question your anecdote & your nick. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem Feb 2013 #19

Basic Information Tech Should Be Taught In Vocational School Yavin4 Feb 2013 #10

You can make the case that IT is not college degree material ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #13

Basic Networking (e.g. HelpDesk), UI and Web Design, Basic Object Oriented Programming Yavin4 Feb 2013 #18

The real issues would be the level of instruction. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #20

Do You Think That The H1B Visas know Algorithms Yavin4 Feb 2013 #23

Those that I have worked with or interviewed generally did ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #25

I'm not talking about Academia. Yavin4 Feb 2013 #26

I am talking about industry as well ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #28

Not Every Job In IT Requires A CompSci Degree Yavin4 Feb 2013 #31

Few IT jobs require any degree ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #35

No, not at all 20yr in IT....most don't. uponit7771 Feb 2013 #29

Actually, quality programming doesn't require college level work jeff47 Feb 2013 #24

That would depend on field ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #27

It's always amusing when academics insist on telling us what we need. jeff47 Feb 2013 #30

Being a prof is my retirement gig, I have considerable experience outside of the university. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #33

The point is you AREN'T choosing the features. jeff47 Feb 2013 #45

Thank you for the Support. Yavin4 Feb 2013 #32

Another big part of this problem is our blindness to common business practice in America. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #9

They want a 25 year old with 15 yrs experience Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #11

I have hired a number of biologists quaker bill Feb 2013 #21

Couldn't get a job with the BS over 30 years ago. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #40

Brilliant is a challenge quaker bill Feb 2013 #53

Bingo! +1 for you & K&R for the thread. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #54

The myth is powerful because people just assume STEM is the future. reformist2 Feb 2013 #34

it is not in the capitalists' interest to educate and train lots of people to a high level. the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #36

It's not a myth BainsBane Feb 2013 #37

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #38

really? BainsBane Feb 2013 #39

Let me run you through my education training, MadHound Feb 2013 #42

You sound like a very well qualified teacher BainsBane Feb 2013 #52

i'm not a teacher. oh, and btw, Bain Capital is heavily invested in education reform, "Bain's Bane". HiPointDem Feb 2013 #44

No kidding BainsBane Feb 2013 #50

another point BainsBane Feb 2013 #41

yes, teachers are idiots. who can argue with what is so clear for all to see? replacing them HiPointDem Feb 2013 #43

What? BainsBane Feb 2013 #51

You are basing all of your "insight" and opinion on one of the most notoriously stupid MadHound Feb 2013 #46

I thought I specified BainsBane Feb 2013 #49

They want you to think we have a shortage of qualified STEM workers tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #47

indeed. i recently read they're trying to increase the h1b quota again. and h1b isn't the only HiPointDem Feb 2013 #48

I have a degree in EE and manage UNIX systems Recursion Feb 2013 #55

by EE do you mean electrical engineers? BainsBane Feb 2013 #57