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792. @johnsimkin: The journalist who worked for the CIA...

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:53 AM

Feb 2013

@johnsimkin: The journalist who worked for the CIA.

https://twitter.com/johnsimkin/status/303408634212278273

That tweet understates the issue as demonstrated by the Carl Bernstein story.

Anyway there's more on it @ The Education Forum.

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Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy believed President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy. [View all] Octafish Jan 2013 OP

Cue the 'coincidence theorists' to target their attacks on RFK. blm Jan 2013 #1

Please, tell me why they would call themselves "Democrats"? Octafish Jan 2013 #10

Great smear! zappaman Jan 2013 #13

Project much? Octafish Jan 2013 #14

Nope. zappaman Jan 2013 #15

Laugh all you want, zappaman, as it reveals what kind of person you are. Octafish Jan 2013 #17

Look up Lee Harvey Oswald zappaman Jan 2013 #20

Agreed again! They excuse the little shit that did the killing! stopbush Jan 2013 #36

That's incorrect. The CIA and Curtis LeMay did him in. The Mafia cleaned up the "problems" Zen Democrat Jan 2013 #53

Unraveling since Day One? Yet here were are, 50 years later, stopbush Jan 2013 #57

Well stated, Zen Democrat. Octafish Jan 2013 #66

What a laugh! stopbush Jan 2013 #79

MAJOR woo. stopbush Jan 2013 #131

Kicking. n/t Hotler Jan 2013 #147

‘One-man truth squad’ still debunking JFK conspiracy theories zappaman Jan 2013 #153

Crapola at its deepest. Octafish Jan 2013 #195

What an ignorant comment. MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #161

Back what up? zappaman Jan 2013 #163

No you wouldn't... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #188

Seems the Attorney General of the US & the President's closest advisor was the one doing that. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #189

CT paranoia. stopbush Jan 2013 #80

Rather be called 'paranoid' than side with liars and the traitors they protect. Octafish Jan 2013 #84

Once again, Octafish posts that picture of nobody in particular. stopbush Jan 2013 #86

Please, keep up with the smears and name calling, stopbush. Octafish Jan 2013 #87

But there is no "issue," Octafish. That's what you don't seem to understand. stopbush Jan 2013 #89

Gee. Comparing me to Sandy Hook deniers might be a clue. Octafish Jan 2013 #91

Gee. You have no problem calling people "liars" and enablers of traitors, stopbush Jan 2013 #94

And you have no problem putting words into other people's mouths. Octafish Jan 2013 #127

In this case, the technical term is "presenting the evidence." stopbush Jan 2013 #205

Speaking of smears... zappaman Jan 2013 #99

It looks like Ed O'Neil playing angry birds on an iPhone n/t RZM Jan 2013 #90

Your the one who's in the "rarefied club" - the club that includes alberg Jan 2013 #452

Check your Websters for the definition of "evidence." Then, get back to us. stopbush Jan 2013 #459

Your either ignorant of the evidence, genuinely confused about a topic that is alberg Jan 2013 #485

How would you know what the WCR says? You've never read it. stopbush Jan 2013 #491

"Sprague... wanted complete information about the CIA's operation in Mexico City..." MinM Jan 2013 #193

If, as I suspect the CIA knew what went on in Mexico City, I can see why the CIA demanded happyslug Jan 2013 #232

Thanks for the background on Sprague's removal, MM. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #237

CIA assigned 1963 Oswald minder George Joannides the 1977 job of liaison with HSCA. Octafish Jan 2013 #250

One of the Problems with the JFK assassination is the sheer number of people CYAing themselves happyslug Jan 2013 #229

I'm curious... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #255

And one of the problems with the JFK CTists is that they feel it necessary stopbush Jan 2013 #321

I Don't Believe in Magic… AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #651

Ignorance of the evidence on display for all to see. stopbush Jan 2013 #652

the kennedys are conspiracy theorists now? seems like rfk, both as us AG & kennedy admin HiPointDem Jan 2013 #190

Talk about contradicting yourself! stopbush Jan 2013 #293

Uhhh, what? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #302

You wrote: stopbush Jan 2013 #306

From one point of view... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #318

there's no contradiction at all. sorry you don't see it. rfk had connections he could work after HiPointDem Jan 2013 #324

Muahahahahaha!!!! greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #170

Agreed. stopbush Jan 2013 #29

This sure is another reason to point to the pointless.... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #159

Cool! zappaman Jan 2013 #162

Divert much? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #176

'You can't be a Democrat and you can't be a liberal if you don't believe there was a conspiracy" zappaman Jan 2013 #441

You are pointless. What is the point of this post? Back up you own crap before you ask anyone else lonestarnot Jan 2013 #180

already have... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #184

Then explain why the secret service was waived off the car. lonestarnot Jan 2013 #192

People don't like to talk about the real reason for this... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #206

JFK never ordered the bubble top off. Octafish Jan 2013 #220

I'm not that familiar with the secret service point of view... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #230

The Bubble Top Wasn't Bulletproof. So what does it matter if JFK or someone else stopbush Jan 2013 #290

Wrong... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #301

uh huh zappaman Jan 2013 #304

Sorry, I assumed the SS agent knew what he was talking about... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #375

Wow.You're easily pleased...or deluded. Take your pick. stopbush Jan 2013 #388

In this case just being logical.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #390

You wrote: stopbush Jan 2013 #309

The bubble top was ordered off the limo by Kenneth O'Donnell, one of JFK's top aides stopbush Jan 2013 #475

That picture means absolutely nothing when it comes to protecting JFK that day. stopbush Jan 2013 #668

... doublethink Jan 2013 #676

Sorry, but putting nothing in your title line but an ellipse stopbush Jan 2013 #680

... doublethink Jan 2013 #682

You have handily diminished your credibility. lonestarnot Jan 2013 #179

Their weren't "hundreds", only a small core group of experienced assassins alberg Jan 2013 #437

'Their weren't "hundreds", only a small core group of experienced assassins" zappaman Jan 2013 #439

How long was the "Ultra Secret" covered up? How many people were in on it? alberg Jan 2013 #487

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #621

I like busting you when you make things up zappaman Jan 2013 #622

I didn't know registering as a Democrat required me to join Lee Harvey's defense team. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #608

Where did I write that? Octafish Jan 2013 #619

You didn't write it. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #625

RFK was not interested in reopening the investigation into his brother's death. stopbush Jan 2013 #350

For public consumption and to throw off conspirators still at large... Octafish Jan 2013 #535

"In private, there are reports." stopbush Jan 2013 #536

Sen. Kennedy's children went public with their father's conclusion of conspiracy. Octafish Jan 2013 #538

Is that why you are now talking about nazis? zappaman Jan 2013 #545

NAZIs played a MAJOR role in the United States after the war. Octafish Jan 2013 #578

You can post whatever you want zappaman Jan 2013 #579

And yet, RFK conducted his own INDEPENDENT investigation of the numerous JFK CTs AT THE TIME stopbush Jan 2013 #547

As I've pointed out in my posts on this issue... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #647

That might be plausible if RFK was a coward. Or a political opportunist. stopbush Jan 2013 #648

In the course of this thread... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #656

"It demonstrates that RFK?" You know, these aren't FACTS that we're talking about here. stopbush Jan 2013 #658

Contemptible? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #659

Now, I'm forced to give history lessons. stopbush Jan 2013 #662

It could also imply... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #664

It implies no such thing. The fact that the Washington Post called these aides the Irish Mafia stopbush Jan 2013 #667

I only assume that there are a lot of young people viewing this forum... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #669

So, you're suggesting that people who DO know their history should walk on eggs stopbush Jan 2013 #670

Nonsense aside... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #674

Do you have comprehension problems? stopbush Jan 2013 #681

I'm complaining about the use of the word "mafia" not the use of "Irish"... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #684

What you're doing is over reaching to make a point that doesn't exist stopbush Jan 2013 #686

All you have to do is google and you will find... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #688

Those are not the words she claimed he used... zappaman Jan 2013 #689

You guys are so predictable... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #690

You said... zappaman Jan 2013 #691

You are clearly the expert on precisely what Madelaine Brown said... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #693

I wouldn't say I'm an expert on what she said... zappaman Jan 2013 #694

"protect the children"...what an understatement n/t AntiFascist Jan 2013 #695

Are you effing kidding us? Madeline Brown? You're actually putting that NUT forward stopbush Jan 2013 #696

Once again you misconstrue what I have said, and then elaborate endlessly on your own... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #697

You may not care about my blabbering on about Madeline Brown, stopbush Jan 2013 #700

Doing a little more searching on the matter... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #702

What does any of that matter? LBJ wasn't at that party to say what he didn't say stopbush Jan 2013 #703

You are confusing two different issues.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #705

The only "issue" about Murchison is whether M Brown was lying about the party. stopbush Jan 2013 #706

I would refer back to the book "Farewell America"... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #707

Fiction makes up a very small percentage of my reading list these days. stopbush Jan 2013 #708

Fine... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #698

Why you'd waste your time worrying abut RW drivel is beyond me. It's drivel! stopbush Jan 2013 #699

I have no clue what really happened, but never bought the official story. Scuba Jan 2013 #2

'Breach of Trust' by Gerald D. McKnight spells out how the Warren Commission failed the nation. Octafish Jan 2013 #16

Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi spells out how the Warren Commission got it right. zappaman Jan 2013 #19

Agreed again. But don't expect the CTists to read Bugliosi when 99% of them stopbush Jan 2013 #30

That is your recurrent theme, encouraging DUers to read the WCR, stopbush. Octafish Jan 2013 #43

Why not show the other pictures, my friend? zappaman Jan 2013 #45

Because that picture shows the base of a bullet, zappaman, and adds nothing to understanding. Octafish Jan 2013 #49

This is the bullet that left significantmetal in Connally's body that was never removed? Yeah right. Zen Democrat Jan 2013 #60

Depends on your definition of "significant," does it not? stopbush Jan 2013 #132

'Significant' as the mass of material in Connally's wrist is greater than what's missing from CE399. Octafish Jan 2013 #196

Those "details" you link to prove nothing. stopbush Jan 2013 #197

That is what McAdams, a proven disinformationist, says. Octafish Jan 2013 #200

No, that is what John Lattimer - a person who examined the evidence - says. stopbush Jan 2013 #202

+1000 zappaman Jan 2013 #203

Trajectory of a Lie Octafish Jan 2013 #215

'You really are a sucker for this shit, aren't you?' Octafish Jan 2013 #314

Since you continually cite evidence related to Neutron Activation analysis... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #376

For the sake of your argument, I'll stipulate that we set aside the NAA done to CE399. stopbush Jan 2013 #391

Oh, I don't know.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #393

No, it isn't Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #256

Say it isn't so! zappaman Jan 2013 #260

Funny thing... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #263

I agree with your entire post zappaman Jan 2013 #265

Yeah... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #267

The weight of fragments removed from Gov. Connally are not known, Spider Jerusalem. Octafish Jan 2013 #272

They are known. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #273

Got a link or source that documents the weight of the fragments from Gov. Connally? Octafish Jan 2013 #274

HSCA: Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #275

Thanks. Still is only an estimate of what was removed, not a measurement. Octafish Jan 2013 #276

More misleading hogwash from you, as expected Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #277

The Lie in Connally's Thigh Octafish Jan 2013 #284

Limit discussion? Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #294

Drs. Finck, Humes & Shaw testified more fragments found in Connally’s wrist than missing from CE 399 Octafish Jan 2013 #378

With all due respect, they were evidently mistaken Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #383

here ya go zappaman Jan 2013 #62

That's an excellent read. stopbush Jan 2013 #88

No, it's not. Here's what that fellow is all about. Octafish Jan 2013 #113

Yes, isn't it? zappaman Jan 2013 #120

You are SO far behind the curve in the evidence that has been added over the decades stopbush Jan 2013 #52

For information, read James DOUGLASS. You write about allegation paraded as reality, stopbush. Octafish Jan 2013 #63

Unlike you refusing to read Bugliosi or the WCR, I've actually read most of "JFK&TU" by Douglass. stopbush Jan 2013 #73

Don't worry! zappaman Jan 2013 #74

That is simply WRONG MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #183

+++++++++++++ librechik Jan 2013 #166

The only reason to keep on trying is in order for those of us who care about Democracy win. Octafish Jan 2013 #172

what do you make of librechik Jan 2013 #173

How does one care about American democracy stopbush Jan 2013 #198

I generally avoid reading fiction Ian Iam Jan 2013 #340

How would you know? stopbush Jan 2013 #348

Thank you for the welcome Ian Iam Jan 2013 #354

RFK publicly stood up and embraced the WCR. stopbush Jan 2013 #356

The Bugliosi book is wrong on SO many counts. Zen Democrat Jan 2013 #59

I finished the Bugliosi book proper (not the supplemental end notes) about coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #67

Great post. zappaman Jan 2013 #70

Speaking of motive... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #141

Oswald had motives zappaman Jan 2013 #145

So basically... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #178

What were the motives of other presidential assassins? nyquil_man Jan 2013 #576

The Lincoln assassination... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #580

The Lincoln assassination was a military operation? nyquil_man Jan 2013 #593

The thinking at the time... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #596

There were and are strong arguments that the facts of the case did not merit a military trial. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #597

I'm certainly not claiming they were competent... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #599

What you offer is speculation based on the occasional fact. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #601

Where did I say anything about an average CIA employee? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #604

Again, what does that have to do with LHO not firing the fatal shots? nyquil_man Jan 2013 #606

The theory is... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #618

Well, if you had bothered reading any book on Oswald, stopbush Jan 2013 #207

That's quite a stretch... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #209

So, it's a stretch to think that Oswald killed JFk as a simple act of self aggrandizement, stopbush Jan 2013 #549

You left out LBJ... zappaman Jan 2013 #551

How could I forget the lynchpins in the conspiracy? stopbush Jan 2013 #552

Oswald was linked to the Walker shooting... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #557

No, that's not entirely true. stopbush Jan 2013 #559

Regarding Gen. Walker... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #563

Why am I required to provide evidence for my speculations stopbush Jan 2013 #565

Maybe you should read the above posts more carefully... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #566

Also, books that go into any depth about Oswald... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #211

Wow. An objective proof for all those crazy ideas? stopbush Jan 2013 #269

Objective proof? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #279

None of that is objective proof. This person said this, that person said that, etc. stopbush Jan 2013 #289

First of all... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #299

AND YET - the HSCA and the WCR found NO involvement of the mob or the Cubans. stopbush Jan 2013 #310

As Blakey reveals... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #313

According to Blakey, at the PBS link: AntiFascist Jan 2013 #370

BTW - let me know if you have problems with the following, which I would call objective proof: stopbush Jan 2013 #292

Fine... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #295

I stopped reading when your answer to the first point made it clear.. zappaman Jan 2013 #296

Your ad hominem attacks are always amusing... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #300

uh huh zappaman Jan 2013 #303

"test a possible theory" AntiFascist Jan 2013 #308

OMFG! Are you kidding me? This is like textbook erroneous info about the killing! stopbush Jan 2013 #305

Well at least now you presenting something to work with... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #311

"Again, I'm not the expert on this" zappaman Jan 2013 #312

Yes, it occured in Dallas... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #315

I'll try to answer without a personal attack. stopbush Jan 2013 #320

I'm thrilled... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #328

Simple facts again Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #405

Spider Jerusalem, thank you for the info... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #407

No, evidence of a wound of entry was found in the skull. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #410

You failed to address my point about the beveling of the bullet entry wound stopbush Jan 2013 #325

Reading through the comments made by witnesses to the autopsy, they seem contradictory... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #330

You can excuse and deny all you want. The evidence says otherwise: stopbush Jan 2013 #331

Your information states.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #369

What do O'Neill and Silbert have to do with the experts who examined the skull fragments? stopbush Jan 2013 #382

Having your blinders on works well for you... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #389

You're missing the point. stopbush Jan 2013 #392

So, it sounds like you're willing to set aside NAA analysis as providing valid evidence.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #396

You misunderstand. I'm simply showing that the NAA isn't in any way stopbush Jan 2013 #397

Really? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #404

The fact that CE399 was proved to have been fired from Oswald's rifle coupled with the lead stopbush Jan 2013 #429

I won't pretend to have definitive answers... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #431

Well, you've got me wondering if any newer scientific processes have been developed stopbush Jan 2013 #432

... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #434

You ask a reasonable question: what happened to the first shot? stopbush Jan 2013 #436

I'm curious, how would (or did) Bugliosi.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #522

Can you cite where this came from? zappaman Jan 2013 #524

Here is the wiki page for the Dal-Tex building with references... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #526

Well one problem would be that no witnesses zappaman Jan 2013 #527

That's only what the wiki claimed... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #531

I'm not really curious about such a hypothesis. stopbush Jan 2013 #528

Small world in anti-Castro land... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #529

Nonsense and easily refuted Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #406

Uhhhh.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #408

Which highlights the problem with eyewitness testimony Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #409

... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #411

Very few of them were physicians, very few of them saw the wounds up close... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #413

Religious thinking? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #430

"Farewell America" MAY reflect a CT devised by RFK? Really? stopbush Jan 2013 #438

Obviously you aren't a Democrat or a liberal! zappaman Jan 2013 #442

Why anyone would believe the wild speculations of stopbush Jan 2013 #447

Time will tell if more truth will come out about RFK's beliefs at the time... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #453

I just have a very hard time believing that principled men like JFK & RFK stopbush Jan 2013 #456

The context of this thread hinges on the veracity of what RFK, Jr. is telling us... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #461

RFK Jr lost a lot of credibility with me when he went off on his anti-vac jag. stopbush Jan 2013 #465

Not to mention, heroin addicts like to lie zappaman Jan 2013 #469

I had forgotten about that arrest. stopbush Jan 2013 #472

Sure. zappaman Jan 2013 #473

Agreed. I worked at a homeless shelter for single adults. stopbush Jan 2013 #474

There is also evidence of what RFK believed privately... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #728

You continue to label speculation as "evidence." stopbush Feb 2013 #729

I'm citing statements made by reliable sources... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #734

Statements aren't evidence. They're statements. stopbush Feb 2013 #743

The WC was narrowly focused on the singular goal... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #745

I couldn't disagree more with your extremely biased assessment of the WC's goals. stopbush Feb 2013 #746

You missed one critical point... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #747

Bullshit. Did the WCR lie about all of the forensic evidence in the case? stopbush Feb 2013 #749

Once again... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #751

No, this is religious thinking. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #443

You provided one excellent example of religious thinking... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #449

This isn't about the FBI, it's about EVERY BIT OF EVIDENCE AND ANALYSIS, EVER. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #450

The timeline would have been 5 years later... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #457

The only problem with that? Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #470

I'm looking, and for the LIfe of me... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #476

... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #488

According to Richard Trask... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #489

All of this is highly irrelevant Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #490

Let me be clear... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #508

Again, no Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #513

Then at least you are admitting... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #515

I'm saying if it was then there are non-conspiracy related reasons Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #516

I see you are back to focusing on the first bullet that went into JFK's back... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #519

You are clearly a crank, and there is no point in continuing this discussion Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #520

I'm a crank for citing real facts? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #521

You are a crank for deliberately misinterpreting facts. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #523

I can call you a crank for the same reason... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #525

No... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #532

Ok... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #533

... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #534

No one is disputing what the FBI memo to the WC states... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #567

"appears to be" and "looks like" Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #569

The statement that lead fragments from Connally's wrist matches CE399... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #570

Except: Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #571

Your first sentence... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #574

There is no "glaring hole" Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #590

Your argument is based on the following facts... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #609

No Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #616

All the "conclusions" you cite in your post are faulty in and of themselves... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #617

No, you basically ignore ALL the evidence Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #623

... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #627

... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #628

Doing a search on Dal-Tex.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #630

Again no Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #632

Well actually... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #633

No, it doesn't Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #637

From your own quote... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #646

If nothing else, AntiFascist's postings of WCR info prove that the WCR was no whitewash. stopbush Jan 2013 #541

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU! AntiFascist Jan 2013 #568

And as I've pointed out many times - and as you seem to agree - stopbush Jan 2013 #572

You seem to have missed the point... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #573

No. There have been conspiracies that have led to successful assassinations of world leaders. stopbush Jan 2013 #575

Re: funding Oswald's return to the US. grantcart Jan 2013 #307

If Oswald was a spy... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #316

This is a classic tautology grantcart Jan 2013 #319

First of all... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #322

Then let me help you out grantcart Jan 2013 #326

You use the word "may" a lot there. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #594

Guiteau said in court that he admitted to the shooting but denied the killing. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #595

I have no comment on Guiteau... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #598

I wonder why you're not willing to apply the same conspiracy-oriented speculation nyquil_man Jan 2013 #600

Again... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #602

And you contend that Lee Harvey Oswald *may* have been just shooting out the window to scare JFK. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #603

I never pretended to know precisely what Oswald may or may not have been up to... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #605

He *may* have been doing a lot of things. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #607

As pointed out throughout the entire thread... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #610

Yes it does. Especially with generous pepperings of "may" nyquil_man Jan 2013 #611

In which case he could have still been involved with a conspiracy....already pointed out n/t AntiFascist Jan 2013 #612

"Lone assassin." I guess you missed that phrase. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #613

Then you missed my point... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #614

The only point you're really making nyquil_man Jan 2013 #615

My purpose is not to mitigate Oswald's guilt... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #620

Let me try this another way. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #626

Of course there is... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #629

It's not a question about whether or not someone persuaded you. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #639

It's mostly a matter of political context... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #640

Fair enough. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #643

It depends on which items... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #644

A few thoughts about CE-399. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #649

As I have pointed out elsewhere in the thread... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #654

Okay. You have no objection to the single bullet theory nyquil_man Jan 2013 #663

Obviously I do have problems with the single bullet theory no matter how it is construed... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #665

This apprehended mafia-aligned suspect had a name, I take it? nyquil_man Jan 2013 #666

If you would care to read through the thread... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #672

I will hand it to you for having a name but: At what point does he kill the President? nyquil_man Jan 2013 #675

You misconstrue my pet theory... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #678

What you have is a story. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #715

A story with legs... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #717

You've mentioned the HSCA a fair bit. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #718

I think you've overstated both the HSCA's conclusions and what they were looking at... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #719

Still speculating! nyquil_man Feb 2013 #720

Jack Anderson had his sources, in this 1975 article... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #721

He had sources stating that RFK had an opinion? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #723

Perhaps you should read the rest of the article... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #725

You've established that you're obsessed with the CIA and the Mafia nyquil_man Feb 2013 #722

Well put. Thank you for your many correctives to AF's CT fantasies in this thread. stopbush Feb 2013 #724

All I want is a uniform standard for what constitutes evidence. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #731

Exactly. I don't know why the CTists don't realize that all they're doing is speculating. stopbush Feb 2013 #732

Numerous facts are cited throughout the thread... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #735

They're fantasy as it relates to the JFK killing. stopbush Feb 2013 #744

Consider the source of so many of the criticisms of the Warren Report. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #736

Everybody did it / nobody did it... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #741

You have plenty of criticisms for the "official" version, but you have no valid alternative. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #748

Overtly, Brading had connections with the mafia as well as H.L. Hunt... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #750

You can't prove the connections except in your own mind. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #752

You and stopbush keep bringing up the same tired strawman argument... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #753

I'm not saying you're convinced you can provide evidence. I'm saying you have no evidence. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #754

Not so much evidence AGAINST Oswald as much as evidence related to how he was handled... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #755

You weave Oswald in and out. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #757

The theory does not depend on the number of shooters or the precise role Oswald played if any... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #758

You're dodging both questions. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #759

You keep referring to it as if it is my own unique theory... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #761

My apologies. I guess you meant "pet theory" some other way. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #762

Yes, JFK was shot and killed... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #763

See? You're willing to say that Oswald was deeply involved with the government, nyquil_man Feb 2013 #764

I think you are veering far from the question of whether or not there was a conspiracy... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #765

So the FBI and the WC screwed it up? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #769

As David Talbot points out... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #770

Katzenbach pushed for the evidence condemning Oswald to be brought out. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #773

You seem to ignore my point that RFK himself was playing along with this... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #777

So he's willing to take on Hoffa and tap Dr. King nyquil_man Feb 2013 #779

Who said anything about tapping Dr. King?? AntiFascist Feb 2013 #780

I see. So the Warren Commission was right not to explore all avenues in this case? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #782

Ok, so given that the Warren Commission may have acted PURELY in the interests of national security. AntiFascist Feb 2013 #784

The Justice Department's investigation was virtually non-existent. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #785

I prefer vetting to petting.... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #787

I understand the thinking. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #789

RFK's top concern was national security... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #790

You say they did an incomplete job nyquil_man Feb 2013 #798

The files would indicate Oswald's connections to anti-Castro CI programs... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #799

Now now. We have no idea what the files would indicate. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #802

CE-399 bothers me primarilly because the FBI lied in its memo to the Warren Commission... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #803

CE-399 bothers you because you don't want Oswald to be tied to any shooting. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #804

Again, I'm not one who wants to make Oswald out as some kind of hero... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #807

I think you read too much politics into Oswald's motivations. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #808

I don't believe he was motivated by politics.... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #809

You know he was being handled but you don't know if he fired a shot? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #811

Here's one theory you can sink your teeth into... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #810

That looks like fun. Can I try it? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #812

What facts support that argument? AntiFascist Feb 2013 #813

What's Oswald doing with Guy Bannister and anti-Castro groups if he's more of a leftist? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #814

He was being manipulated, more than anything else... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #815

I see. So you don't think potential ties to segregationist groups should have been explored? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #816

Explore all the potential ties you want to... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #817

It's not hard to follow because I've heard it all before. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #818

I never claimed that.... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #819

I'm saying who would hire a flake like Oswald as their spy? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #820

The documents that the CIA could release... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #822

Still not evidence that Oswald was a spy. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #826

The WC was obviously afraid that any hint of a conspiracy... AntiFascist Mar 2013 #832

Katzenbach's memo makes clear that he was concerned about RUMORS AND SPECULATION. nyquil_man Mar 2013 #834

Katzenbach had taken over for Robert Kennedy, who was still in mourning... AntiFascist Mar 2013 #835

We're going in circles. nyquil_man Mar 2013 #836

Obviously only one CT can be true.... AntiFascist Mar 2013 #837

You're much more interested in exploring the historical/geopolitical aspects of the assassination nyquil_man Mar 2013 #838

What do you think of the story told by Dallas County Deputy Sherrif Roger Craig? AntiFascist Mar 2013 #839

Craig is basically saying there that 1. There were people doing suspicious things nyquil_man Mar 2013 #840

Craig also points out numerous instances... AntiFascist Mar 2013 #841

You're veering away from Dealey again. nyquil_man Mar 2013 #842

The fact is... AntiFascist Mar 2013 #843

Not so fast. nyquil_man Mar 2013 #844

Are you familiar with the TV series "I Led Three Lives"? AntiFascist Feb 2013 #823

Oswald may have fancied himself a spy. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #825

No one claims he was particularly good at it... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #827

He didn't fake a suicide to leave. He attempted suicide in order to stay. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #829

Apparently you're not even paying attention, so why should I even try? AntiFascist Mar 2013 #831

Come up with some actual evidence, AntiFascist, and you'll have my full attention. nyquil_man Mar 2013 #833

The bit about Walker deserves more of a response. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #830

Your desire for perfect evidence seems to vanish when it comes to naming another shooter. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #805

There is a wide range of views on conspiracy in this case nyquil_man Feb 2013 #772

The pet CT I am focusing on... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #775

Okay. How much of the evidence cited by the WC and HSCA would you like to toss out? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #778

This is already covered in numerous other posts in this thread... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #783

As I've said before, dear AntiFascist, throw out CE-399. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #786

As a follow-up to your post... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #766

An internet post based on speculation. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #768

Since both the WC and the HSCA turned a blind eye toward General Walker... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #771

They didn't turn a blind eye toward Oswald's attempt to assassinate Walker. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #774

Of course it is true.... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #776

What role did Walker play in being shot at? Did he order "the setup"? nyquil_man Feb 2013 #781

Another reason Oswald was such a central person of interest to the CI division... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #756

The talk of "Mafia dons and CIA spooks" also occured during the Church and the HSCA investigations.. AntiFascist Feb 2013 #727

HSCA and Church were over 30 years ago. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #730

What's new is the evolution of thought, particularly on the role played by the CIA... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #733

Are you even familiar with the accomplishments of the HSCA, nyquil_man Feb 2013 #737

I've already pointed out in a number of posts... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #738

Blakey had his shot. He failed. nyquil_man Feb 2013 #739

Blakey was an expert when it came to organized crime... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #740

What? zappaman Jan 2013 #671

Based on my pet theories which I have outlined throughout the thread... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #673

Readers of Philip Melanson and John Newman would disagree. Octafish Jan 2013 #268

Oswald admired the Cuban revolution and Castro's leadership of it. Oswald coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #258

Interesting he left the money on his wife's dresser before going off to shoot JFK. zappaman Jan 2013 #261

The whole thing infuses me with such immense sadness, both for JFK and his coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #262

Even Marina Oswald was kept in the dark about much related to her husband... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #264

"There is a ton of evidence to implicate Lee Harvey Oswald as the sole..." MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #185

The only bullets recovered from the scene were proven definitively coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #257

Sooooo..... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #266

Pure speculation. Do you any proof for this new set of craziness? stopbush Jan 2013 #271

None of what I posted is new... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #280

The question is: it it really a "question" if it's already been answered? stopbush Jan 2013 #288

It's often said that it is difficult if not impossible to 'prove a negative'. IOW, in coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #278

Kudos to Bugliosi for his work against Bush and Cheney... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #281

This "circumstantial evidence" did not fit the timeline of events... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #283

You throw around crap and expect it to stick. stopbush Jan 2013 #327

Not true, but you have heard that before... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #395

"I hate to tell you how many of those witnesses were not interviewed by the commission' zappaman Jan 2013 #401

Have you read Bugliosi's book? Be honest. stopbush Jan 2013 #75

That tired reference of Bugliosi, again? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #164

So you read it? zappaman Jan 2013 #165

Have you even read Bugliosi's book, MMM? Be honest. stopbush Jan 2013 #208

A response for jaggoffs who just have to know what I've read MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #216

"Jagoffs"? zappaman Jan 2013 #218

Why are you calling yourself a jaggoff? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #221

blackopradio.com zappaman Jan 2013 #222

This would be the extent of it... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #224

Heard it and... zappaman Jan 2013 #225

Jim Marrs is on Blackopradio.com now MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #228

Jim Marrs helped keep the researchers going when all the pressure was on to shut them down. Octafish Jan 2013 #418

Excellent to get it for free! MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #444

Isn't "Crossfire" the Marrs book where his main eye/earwitness to the JFK shooting stopbush Jan 2013 #454

CROSSFIRE is an excellent book for CTers zappaman Jan 2013 #455

Or, pull an Oliver Stone and believe ALL of the contradictory CTs!! stopbush Jan 2013 #458

Keep kicking the thread! MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #486

You are spreading disinformation... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #477

'Reading is good. A vast array of reading is better. Try it." zappaman Jan 2013 #482

Hey... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #484

~ Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #219

Who dat? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #223

You are far too entertaining to be alerted on. zappaman Jan 2013 #227

Which book informed you that Oswald's body "spent 3-4 days lying in a mortuary?" stopbush Jan 2013 #451

We get it. Bugliosi is tired. The WCR is tired. The HSCA is tired. The evidence is tired. stopbush Jan 2013 #347

Not true... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #394

Like all CTists, you're not concerned with whether your theory is true, stopbush Jan 2013 #398

It's not conspiracy jags that are what's going off here... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #399

"Statements are really getting old." zappaman Jan 2013 #402

I'd think what is getting old are all the threads beating the dead horse stopbush Jan 2013 #416

Where your proof that Oswald was in that window on the 6th Floor. Zen Democrat Jan 2013 #503

You've never read the WCR, so how would you know whether or not it makes sense? stopbush Jan 2013 #511

All one needs know: For it to work, the Warren report REQUIRES a Magic Bullet. Octafish Jan 2013 #560

Requires a magic bullet? That's just stupid. stopbush Jan 2013 #564

I'm not a lone nut buff. Unlike you, I'm an evidence buff. stopbush Jan 2013 #641

The mob hated the Kennedys LeftInTX Jan 2013 #3

To me, the story of Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr., and the Mob is a canard. Octafish Jan 2013 #22

A canard? You must be in on the conspiracy yourself! stopbush Jan 2013 #97

I could say that I "hate" certain players on the Boston Red Sox. stopbush Jan 2013 #129

Actually, to many here, you would be the ONLY suspect. zappaman Jan 2013 #135

Here's where the BFEE comes in: Poppy was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Jan 2013 #412

I wonder what he thinks happened to JFK, Jr... reformist2 Jan 2013 #4

Charlie Rose didn't ask, FWIU. Octafish Jan 2013 #77

of coarse, the neo-cons could not have peace larkrake Jan 2013 #5

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Jan 2013 #78

SMH Mr Dixon Jan 2013 #6

We may never know the names of the trigger men, but we know who has benefited most over 49 years. Octafish Jan 2013 #85

We already know the truth, but overwhelming evidence apparently isn't enough for some. stopbush Jan 2013 #133

RFK Jr also says vaccines cause autism. Archae Jan 2013 #7

Every bit of what you say may be true, colorado_ufo Jan 2013 #8

No, I can't "disprove" what they say. Archae Jan 2013 #9

How many people do you know who like to see Mercury injected into their kids? Octafish Jan 2013 #92

Here's the problem with your typical analysis of things. stopbush Jan 2013 #101

No, he didn't zipplewrath Jan 2013 #110

It is (was) only a matter of time... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #142

I thought they just said they didn't believe what the Warren Report said about... Little Star Jan 2013 #11

Er, more than one shooter defines the shooting as a conspiracy. stopbush Jan 2013 #114

The Kennedy Family Knows the Truth... triplepoint Jan 2013 #12

The family must have the strongest of hearts to carry the burden of what they know. Octafish Jan 2013 #387

Oh look, it's this thread again...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #18

Well Sid zappaman Jan 2013 #24

He is from Canada so could be Rex Jan 2013 #41

I snapped a pic before he broke my phone ;) RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #48

I have yet to see you post a substantiative post on *anything*. Lars39 Jan 2013 #25

Do I have to have your permission to post, siddithers? Octafish Jan 2013 #50

Dr. Sid Dithers. Rex Jan 2013 #55

You post whatever the fuck you want, octafish... SidDithers Jan 2013 #58

No, you don't zappaman Jan 2013 #64

Thing is, you don't actually comment on content, you just try to derail. Lars39 Jan 2013 #68

If you are talking about JFK being killed by more than Oswald... zappaman Jan 2013 #71

No, *any* topic he wants to shut down. Lars39 Jan 2013 #72

Lars39, I think you've best summed it up. MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #187

Complete with you whining again. You poor thing. KurtNYC Jan 2013 #93

I am glad he finally came out and said it. Rex Jan 2013 #21

It was an historic event. Octafish Jan 2013 #76

Anyone that will do dirtywork for the BFEE Rex Jan 2013 #83

You seem to be confused. You write: stopbush Jan 2013 #98

Congress agreed with RFK octoberlib Jan 2013 #23

Nope. zappaman Jan 2013 #28

Yep. The "4th shot" crap has been conclusively falsified, not that the CTists give a damn. stopbush Jan 2013 #31

The body was altered. zappaman Jan 2013 #32

You know that Jackie was involved in the conspiracy, don't you? stopbush Jan 2013 #38

Actually, she was in cahoots with LBJ zappaman Jan 2013 #40

There is nothing funny about the assassination, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2013 #117

You are misguided about what I am laughing at, my friend. zappaman Jan 2013 #118

You are grossly misinformed... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #186

Bingo. There is nothing 'they' won't do. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #39

G. Robert Blakey has stated that if the dictabelt "evidence" of a 4th shot could be falsified stopbush Jan 2013 #35

Jesus Tap-dancing Christ! stopbush Jan 2013 #47

When DoJ changed bosses from Carter to Reagan, the HSCA request fell by the wayside. Octafish Jan 2013 #115

Thank you for all the links and book recommendations nt octoberlib Jan 2013 #226

That "they" could not let Bobby Kennedy become president. Festivito Jan 2013 #26

They continue to cover-up: The Railroading of LCDR Terri Pike Octafish Jan 2013 #345

I wish I could attach your mind as a searchable device. Festivito Jan 2013 #352

Is it true that John Kennedy was moving toward a National Bank of the U.S.A.? nt patrice Jan 2013 #27

I read where he was going to sign (or did sign) an Executive Order Boomerproud Jan 2013 #42

The Federal Reserve? could print money back then? I'll have to look into that. It creates money as patrice Jan 2013 #51

Kennedy battled Wall Street Octafish Jan 2013 #245

Thank you very much for the links, Octafish! I will read and share this important information. :-)) patrice Jan 2013 #246

He was Attorney General for almost the entire duration of the WC investigation. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #33

Oh, FCS!! How do you know he did not? Coyotl Jan 2013 #44

What makes you the overnight authority on what happened in Dallas? Or why RFK was killed? nyquil_man Jan 2013 #46

So now you are the authority on my "intimate, personal knowledge"? Coyotl Jan 2013 #54

I'll let Senator Kennedy reply. Again. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #69

I'd side with RFK over LBJ Octafish Jan 2013 #150

Do you think LBJ was an accessory to the assassination of JFK? zappaman Jan 2013 #158

Who knows? I do know LBJ told Walter Cronkite he suspected conspiracy. Octafish Jan 2013 #177

Tonkin was trumped up. I think there is general consensus on that point. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #492

you got this crime solved yet? snooper2 Jan 2013 #34

These things take time. zappaman Jan 2013 #37

Why so dismissive? Smarter people than I are working on it. Octafish Jan 2013 #56

"Smarter people than I are working on it." zappaman Jan 2013 #65

And people who aren't nearly as smart as you stopbush Jan 2013 #95

Rory was in the womb when RFK was killed. Her information had to come from Ethel. Zen Democrat Jan 2013 #61

Vince PALAMARA: CIA Director told RFK 'there were two people involved in the shooting.' Octafish Jan 2013 #435

"American Tabloid" smackd Jan 2013 #81

Thank you for the book suggestion, smackd! Octafish Jan 2013 #126

Great book! zappaman Jan 2013 #128

+1000 tex-wyo-dem Jan 2013 #82

Oswald and Ruby Phone Records – RFK, Jr. Got It Right Octafish Jan 2013 #109

Thanks, Octa. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #96

Like when stealing an election, an assassination is conducted to change policy. Octafish Jan 2013 #103

I've never seen a post of yours that didn't have a ton of good info Mc Mike Jan 2013 #213

Thank you, Mc Mike. Very much appreciate that. HERBLOCK and McCloy... Octafish Jan 2013 #231

There were a ton of good political cartoons to be viewed in the search, Mc Mike Jan 2013 #238

Lisa Pease mentions that a member of the Kennedy family acknowledged... MinM Jan 2013 #100

Lisa Pease is a giant. Octafish Jan 2013 #104

Lisa Pease references Carl Bernstein's "CIA & the Media" MinM Jan 2013 #191

Lisa Pease at ACORN, The Legacy of Penn Jones, Jr. Octafish Jan 2013 #252

"What you don't know can't hurt them." MinM Jan 2013 #253

Mae Brussell -Penn Jones Jr. Interview- (2-24-75) - YouTube MinM Jan 2013 #687

@johnsimkin: The journalist who worked for the CIA... MinM Feb 2013 #792

WOO! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #102

JFK, FDR and 'Seven Days in May' Octafish Jan 2013 #105

WOO! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #106

I have to disagree. HappyMe Jan 2013 #107

Please point out what is false. In fact, GOOGLE 'Octafish + BFEE' and find something that's false. Octafish Jan 2013 #111

WOO! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #121

Well, that means there is room for improvement! zappaman Jan 2013 #123

So you can't find even one thing I wrote that's false? Octafish Jan 2013 #124

WOO WOO n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #125

Apparently this is the best they can do, Octafish... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #182

So the links to the evidence in the case count for nothing? stopbush Jan 2013 #210

What evidence? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #217

looks like you got a pizza for being a troll, too. so who cares? HiPointDem Jan 2013 #204

Provides a cooling off period for his 'w' and 'o' keys. Factory recommended. Nt. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #214

When you say 'woo' are you quoting Sid? Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #285

Curiosity will not be tolerated whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #108

If there's nothing to what RFK, Jr. and Rory said, why the virulent outcry on DU and in debunkerdom? Octafish Jan 2013 #112

Yes, it's causing much consternation whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #116

"why the virulent outcry on DU and in debunkerdom?" zappaman Jan 2013 #119

There was clearly a conspiracy. Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #122

"Denial of the documented facts" is what "conspiracy theorists" do. zappaman Jan 2013 #130

President Gerald Ford played a large role in foisting the lone nut fiction upon the United States. Octafish Jan 2013 #134

So, are you adding Gerald Ford to your list of those who helped kill or cover up? zappaman Jan 2013 #136

That's what Ford did, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2013 #137

Answer my question first, my friend. zappaman Jan 2013 #138

It's clear your sole interest in this thread is disruption, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2013 #144

No, what is clear is that you will not answer a simple question. zappaman Jan 2013 #146

Dude the Disrupting Dude Octafish Jan 2013 #149

too afraid to back up your accusations? zappaman Jan 2013 #151

Show me even one post where you've expressed criticism of George Walker Bush on DU, zappaman... Octafish Jan 2013 #154

I should be flattered you googled me! zappaman Jan 2013 #155

Dude the Disruption Dude Octafish Jan 2013 #156

Keep dodging the questions, my lion-hearted friend! zappaman Jan 2013 #157

Warren Commission had deep Nazi ties. Octafish Jan 2013 #254

Nazis are bad. zappaman Jan 2013 #259

The NAZI connection to the assassination of John F. Kennedy Octafish Jan 2013 #270

"And how much of the Warren Commission have YOU read, Mae?" Har Har. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #282

um....sure zappaman Jan 2013 #286

Ha! Amazing! According to Octafish, everybody in the world had a hand in killing JFK! stopbush Jan 2013 #287

You left out the Kennedy family zappaman Jan 2013 #291

This is essentially what Jesse Ventura spelled out on his conspiracy show BlueStreak Jan 2013 #139

People label Jesse Ventura a "crackpot"? zappaman Jan 2013 #140

"Believed" and proven are two different things. Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #199

Most americans agree that something isn't "right" about the assasination. Kurovski Jan 2013 #143

I cannot fathom why a DUer would oppose discussion of conspiracy in the death of JFK. Octafish Jan 2013 #148

Oh my zappaman Jan 2013 #152

McAdams and Bugliosi... could there be a more narrow two references? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #175

Octafish ... have you wrote a book on this stuff yet? What's taking so long ??? doublethink Jan 2013 #174

So does any thinking person. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #160

Yes, because people are only killed over money. zappaman Jan 2013 #167

Presidents aren't mere "people". MrSlayer Jan 2013 #168

Presidents aren't people? zappaman Jan 2013 #169

You're intentionally being obtuse. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #171

That is not what was said. lonestarnot Jan 2013 #181

Well, he joins the vast majority of Americans who believe the same, MadHound Jan 2013 #194

While I agree that a significant majority of Americans now reject the WC findings, it simply coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #297

a significant majority of Americans zappaman Jan 2013 #298

Then what you claim must have happened in just the first couple of minutes after the report came out MadHound Jan 2013 #317

Have you read Bugliosi's book yet? He clearly and coherently explains coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #323

You're trying to make the case based on a difference of a few inches? MadHound Jan 2013 #329

I am somewhat hobbled currently, as I checked Bugliosi's book out of the coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #333

No, it didn't "glance" off of Connally's wrist bone, MadHound Jan 2013 #336

Republican Senator (and physician) Bill Frist, who famously diagnosed Terry Schiavo as still coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #338

Connally suffered a broken rib during the shooting. Let's recap... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #795

Er, it was the base of CE399 - not the bullet's nose - that hit Connally's wrist. stopbush Jan 2013 #344

The "offset" between JFK and Connally is CLEARLY visible in the picture you provided. stopbush Jan 2013 #335

My friend, you need your eyesight checked, now. MadHound Jan 2013 #337

I've posted these pictures elsewhere in this thread, but here ya go: stopbush Jan 2013 #341

The common theme of their foolishness is to get you to spend time refuting their idiocy, MadHound. Octafish Jan 2013 #343

Ha! Well, you do have a sense of humor after all. stopbush Jan 2013 #346

Agreed! zappaman Jan 2013 #353

Yeah! zappaman Jan 2013 #339

kick for later. eom ellenfl Jan 2013 #201

If RFK believed there was a conspiracy, AND.. MicaelS Jan 2013 #212

It was during the Eisenhower Administration... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #235

Here are some good books/web links to read on the JFK assassination. 321Morrow Jan 2013 #233

Soooo LBJ did it, eh? zappaman Jan 2013 #234

What would Bobby Baker say? Octafish Jan 2013 #236

What would Octafish say? zappaman Jan 2013 #239

You're like talking to an Air Force program, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2013 #241

No answers? zappaman Jan 2013 #243

''We had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean.'' -- Lyndon B. Johnson Octafish Jan 2013 #244

Now you've done it ! H2O Man Jan 2013 #240

The yelps resound with a swift kick from the hobnailed boot of Orwell. Octafish Jan 2013 #242

Howling indeed... zappaman Jan 2013 #247

What did RFK know? AntiFascist Jan 2013 #248

A link to the book would be helpful zappaman Jan 2013 #249

"Farewell America".... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #251

NAZI Echo in Dealey Plaza Octafish Jan 2013 #332

Yeah...so? zappaman Jan 2013 #342

Hairpin turn slowed car in 1942 and 1963. Octafish Jan 2013 #349

Wht plot in regards to JFK? zappaman Jan 2013 #351

The fascist plot Jack Ruby tried to describe to Justice Earl Warren. Octafish Jan 2013 #360

Wow. zappaman Jan 2013 #362

More outright lies. stopbush Jan 2013 #355

It's no lie, stopbush. The hairpin turn was the ambush location in both cases. Octafish Jan 2013 #357

The route was never changed. Period. stopbush Jan 2013 #358

Where did I write it was changed? Octafish Jan 2013 #361

Here ya go: stopbush Jan 2013 #363

Thanks. My mistake. BTW: The word didn't change anything that mattered in my post. Octafish Jan 2013 #366

'I'd rather side with Jim Garrison" zappaman Jan 2013 #367

I'd rather side with Jim Garrison than with you, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2013 #371

Good one! zappaman Jan 2013 #373

That's a very interesting photograph. I hadn't seen it. Here's a video from Frontline which... Poll_Blind Feb 2013 #824

The SS didn't object to that turn - they planned that turn. stopbush Jan 2013 #386

If the Secret Service planned that turn they were criminally negligent or part of the plot. Octafish Jan 2013 #420

What do you mean "if" the SS planned that route? They did. stopbush Jan 2013 #422

Got a link for any of that, stopbush? Octafish Jan 2013 #423

Already provided in my previous post. stopbush Jan 2013 #426

What links? You don't answer who OK'd the route to include the 120-degree turn, stopbush. Octafish Jan 2013 #440

But I did answer it. It's all contained in the WCR testimony, which I provided. stopbush Jan 2013 #445

Thanks. So, Secret Service Special Agent Forrest V. Sorrels approved the route and hairpin turn. Octafish Jan 2013 #460

I'm glad to see you followed those links and read what the WCR had to say. stopbush Jan 2013 #468

"In your typical arrogant tone" zappaman Jan 2013 #448

Show me a link, stopbush, where any of what you contend is documented. Octafish Jan 2013 #424

As far as the question of whether JFK ordered the SS agents off his limo, stopbush Jan 2013 #425

Octafish is busy deciding on whether or not Oswald is a hero... zappaman Jan 2013 #427

Now THAT'S delusional! stopbush Jan 2013 #428

If I'm so wrong, why do you spend so many hours on this thread, zappaman? Octafish Jan 2013 #462

You being wrong is entertaining. zappaman Jan 2013 #463

I've asked you for years to show me where I'm wrong and you can't, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2013 #466

Nothing to say about your words? zappaman Jan 2013 #467

When will you get around to actually contribute to the thread, zappaman? Octafish Jan 2013 #478

Was he a hero when he shot JFK? zappaman Jan 2013 #480

Oswald's Case Against the Warren Commission (1965) Octafish Jan 2013 #493

Still no answers? zappaman Jan 2013 #494

So you have nothing to add, zappaman? Octafish Jan 2013 #495

What has that to do with my question? zappaman Jan 2013 #496

It has everything to do with your 'question.' Octafish Jan 2013 #497

Now you're putting words in my mouth? zappaman Jan 2013 #498

Does it bother you when people ask you if you've stopped beating your wife, zappaman? Octafish Jan 2013 #500

Nope. zappaman Jan 2013 #502

Still waiting... zappaman Jan 2013 #518

You mean bringing up some nazi assassination in a discussion about JFK? zappaman Jan 2013 #359

I've always thought so, too DFW Jan 2013 #334

The "moving target" was travelling at 11mph stopbush Jan 2013 #364

Not to mention.... zappaman Jan 2013 #365

Stop with the disinformation, stopbush. Octafish Jan 2013 #368

You're right up there with the climate change deniers, Octafish. stopbush Jan 2013 #377

First you called me a 'Sandy Hook denier,' stopbush, and now its 'climate change denier.' Octafish Jan 2013 #381

Because you are so obviously anti-science when it comes to the evidence in this case. stopbush Jan 2013 #384

Here's something scientific: Secret Service agent Abraham BOLDEN railroaded for telling the truth. Octafish Jan 2013 #415

That's not scientific. Interesting, yes. Scientific, no. stopbush Jan 2013 #417

Forensic Science Octafish Jan 2013 #419

Bolden may have been trained in forensic science, but the story you related about him stopbush Jan 2013 #421

Taking all that into account DFW Jan 2013 #374

Testimony by the USMC to the WC stated unequivicolly that Oswald was stopbush Jan 2013 #379

What condescending horse manure... Octafish Jan 2013 #506

Horse manure zappaman Jan 2013 #514

Your "expert" Pat Speer at least has the decency to provide Dale Myers rebuttal to his claims, stopbush Jan 2013 #550

Then-CIA man James Wilcott testified to Congress that Oswald was a CIA employee. Octafish Jan 2013 #372

Let us know when you decide if Oswald was a hero or not, Octafish. zappaman Jan 2013 #380

Why did the FBI destroy the note Oswald left for SA James HOSTY? Octafish Jan 2013 #385

Let us know when you decide if Oswald was a hero or not, Octafish. zappaman Jan 2013 #400

The guy was in Mexico City, apparently on US government business, so it is hard to tell. Octafish Jan 2013 #414

I had heard pieces of the CIA-mafia stuff before, but never put it together in such a straight line yurbud Jan 2013 #403

Fiction always moves in a straight line, especially in retrospect. stopbush Jan 2013 #433

Yes... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #446

Right. Octafish Jan 2013 #464

'Must be a coincidence... zappaman Jan 2013 #471

You must like spreading this... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #479

LOL zappaman Jan 2013 #481

You continue to do it... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #483

Nixon, Mobsters, the CIA, Cuba and Kennedy... Octafish Jan 2013 #499

Don't forget Oswald...who may have been a hero in your words... zappaman Jan 2013 #501

You continue the smear, zappaman. Do you think I'd post about Dallas on DU for 12 years? Octafish Jan 2013 #510

You don't seem to know what a smear is, Octafish zappaman Jan 2013 #512

great find--I knew the Nixon Hunt connections, but this adds a lot yurbud Jan 2013 #701

No, this isn't a Conspiracy Theory post at all... SidDithers Jan 2013 #504

Shhhhhh! zappaman Jan 2013 #505

No. It's a Lone Nut Theory post. Octafish Jan 2013 #507

Don't you know why it matters whether President Kennedy had been killed by a conspiracy? Octafish Jan 2013 #509

Keep chasing those unicorns! zappaman Jan 2013 #517

Unicorns? Almost as asinine as believing NAZIs had nothing to do with post-war US history. Octafish Jan 2013 #543

So the nazis killed JFK now??? zappaman Jan 2013 #544

These guys operate like tag-team hokey tv wrestlers. Octafish. Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #530

Quick. Call the whaaambulance! stopbush Jan 2013 #537

Such ignorance is reprehensible. Octafish Jan 2013 #539

I don't work to shut down discussion on the JFK killing. stopbush Jan 2013 #540

No, what is reprehensible is that you think Oswald may have been a hero. zappaman Jan 2013 #546

Since Nov. 22, 1963, it's been full-throttle: 'Money trumps peace' Octafish Jan 2013 #548

So? zappaman Jan 2013 #553

Other side of the coin: and if it could ever be proved to your satisfaction that Oswald acted alone, stopbush Jan 2013 #542

And yet, RFK agreed with the "shoddy workmanship" of the WCR. stopbush Jan 2013 #554

Who ya gonna believe? zappaman Jan 2013 #555

'Trolling is a art.' -- siddithers to zappaman Octafish Jan 2013 #556

Poor Octafish... zappaman Jan 2013 #558

Men of Courage Octafish Jan 2013 #561

Are you? zappaman Jan 2013 #562

RFK thinking it was a conspiracy doesn't make it an actual conspiracy. Bolo Boffin Jan 2013 #577

Yeah. When Attorney General Kennedy thinks conspiracy, however, I'm inclined to believe him. Octafish Jan 2013 #581

This message was self-deleted by its author zappaman Jan 2013 #582

RFK was on the record supporting the WCR. stopbush Jan 2013 #584

And if Attorney General Kennedy had thought no conspiracy, you'd have smeared him like you smear me. Bolo Boffin Jan 2013 #585

boloboffin, if I'd smeared you, you'd already have hit 'Alert.' Octafish Jan 2013 #588

Your assumption about my reliance on the Alert button is without merit. Bolo Boffin Jan 2013 #634

Yet the discussion is allowed to remain in GD... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #624

Yes, that is indeed my question. How does Octafish rate his disruption be tolerated? Bolo Boffin Jan 2013 #635

"A whole group for discussing these topics going virtually unused"... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #636

It's called the Dungeon even though there's nothing dungeony about it. Bolo Boffin Jan 2013 #638

You may notice that this thread now has over 8800 views... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #645

How many people are posting in this thread? How many clicking up and down to read the replies? Bolo Boffin Jan 2013 #650

I'm not taking credit... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #653

I wonder if RFK thought Oswald was a hero? zappaman Jan 2013 #583

No. Misrepresenting what I write makes you a disruptor, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2013 #586

Bullshit zappaman Jan 2013 #589

You don't know Oswald's role? Simple - he was the killer. He acted on his own. stopbush Jan 2013 #591

I guess some people have an odd definition of "hero"... zappaman Jan 2013 #592

CIA Document 1035-960 Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 #587

Nice find, if Jesse says it ain't possible who am I to argue Rex Jan 2013 #660

The complete scanned instruction Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 #685

What's interesting to me is when foreign leaders are killed, the first thoughts of the.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #796

Robert is right bluestater1966fgs Jan 2013 #631

What a bunch of bullshit. stopbush Jan 2013 #642

The biggest flaw in the Warren Commission was that it never asked the question dflprincess Feb 2013 #801

See some interesting things in the back-and-forth of this discussion Mc Mike Jan 2013 #655

Well, you certainly win this thread... zappaman Jan 2013 #657

Wow, 3 letters solves it all for you, huh, zap? Mc Mike Jan 2013 #709

Yes, 3 letters.. zappaman Jan 2013 #710

Eternally vigilant. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #713

What you can't look up the answers yourself? zappaman Jan 2013 #714

Thanks for trying to help. Mc Mike Feb 2013 #806

Amazing the lengths (stupidities?) the CTists will go to when the facts upset their apple cart. stopbush Jan 2013 #661

.... doublethink Jan 2013 #677

... doublethink Jan 2013 #683

Thanks for digging the pertinent W.C. statements out, stop. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #712

Typical CT whack-a-mole thinking. You wrote: stopbush Jan 2013 #716

@JFKLancer: When did it start? MinM Jan 2013 #679

Domestic Operations MinM Feb 2013 #794

Recommended and bookmarked. Great to see you "stir the shitstorm", Octafish! robertpaulsen Jan 2013 #692

'Arrogant' CIA Disobeys Orders in Viet Nam MinM Jan 2013 #704

Thomas Arthur Vallee MinM Jan 2013 #711

... SidDithers Feb 2013 #726

Will the RFK Jr. interview w/Charlie Rose ever air? MinM Feb 2013 #742

The MSM and RFK Jr.: Only 45 years Late this Time MinM Feb 2013 #767

I'll cross post this here... 50 reasons to continue to question after 50 years... MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #760

How did the capture of a live Lee Harvey Oswald change the plot? MinM Feb 2013 #788

Thanks for he link to that educational debate forum, MinM... MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #797

Kick & R n/t Dalai_1 Feb 2013 #791

I wish they were here. nt cecilfirefox Feb 2013 #793

Octafish, you created a monster mega-thread. Well done, sir! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #800

My dad always said it was Ladybird Johnson and the Texas Rangers. Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #821

Three tiny little video snippets which I thought painted a fascinating picture: Poll_Blind Feb 2013 #828

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Octafish!... 2banon Jul 2014 #845