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OceanEcosystem

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4. Very, very untrue.

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:32 PM

Feb 2013

Quote: "Japan, for all it's technological prowess, has very little in the way of military tech and equipment."

Japan, despite the moniker of "Self-Defense Forces," has a very powerful military. Its JASDF with F-15Js and F-2s comprise one of the most capable air forces in East Asia, and it may soon have F-35s on the way as well. Japanese submarines such as the Oyashio-class are of very high caliber, and Kongo-class destroyers have Aegis or an Aegis-like system. SM-3 could allow Japanese Kongos to interdict certain Chinese ballistic missiles, I think. Tankers based off of the Boeing 767, some AWACS, and also Japanese-made antisubmarine aircraft give Japan good C4ISRT and maritime/antisubmarine capability.

China would be in for a real fight if it were to ever go to blows against Japan in this day and age.

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Are China and Japan going to war? [View all] ananda Feb 2013 OP

Major concern. ananda Feb 2013 #1

Without US intervention, Japan would lose, badly NickB79 Feb 2013 #2

China may feel that the US is in such a weakened state that it will not back up Japan.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #3

the UN should declare the islands to be International Peace Parks Berlum Feb 2013 #23

A very noble suggestion, Light House Feb 2013 #30

Very, very untrue. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #4

Japan is the dominant military power in the region after the US hack89 Feb 2013 #20

Well, China does have nuclear-powered submarines and nuclear weapons. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #26

I was referring to conventional military forces - I don't foresee a nuclear war hack89 Feb 2013 #27

Japan doesn't have nukes the same way Israel doesn't. Meaning its bullshit. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #58

By your logic, do Bolivia and Sri Lanka have nukes? n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #68

It isn't a theory it is an open secret. Bolivia and Sri Lanka don't have reactor grade plutonium. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #70

Japan has virtually no natural resources. It can't power those plains or ships Romulox Feb 2013 #31

Modern wars between modern high tech opponents will be short wars hack89 Feb 2013 #32

So now you're positing a war between China on one side, and Japan AND the USA on the other. Romulox Feb 2013 #37

I don't see why that's improbable. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #38

It's a childish fantasy. My point about Japan's utter inability to fuel its armies stands. Romulox Feb 2013 #41

You're missing the point. Light House Feb 2013 #44

No, I'm not missing anything. You are positing a scenario that is not now, nor is likely ever to be Romulox Feb 2013 #48

I would hope that it never happens, Light House Feb 2013 #50

Then you can rest easy. nt Romulox Feb 2013 #54

Japan has plenty of such ability. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #61

Nobody wants a war between Japan and China Light House Feb 2013 #42

Nonsense. We would find a way to demure. We cannot engage in war with China. Romulox Feb 2013 #43

Why would it be an impossibility? Light House Feb 2013 #45

China owns our debt and manufacturing capabilities. We do not have the ability to wage large Romulox Feb 2013 #47

Nobody's talking about a large scale war, Light House Feb 2013 #52

War is about supply chains and money, more than missiles. That's why these scenarios are silly. Romulox Feb 2013 #53

The supply chain isn't a problem Light House Feb 2013 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #63

It is easy to posit such a war if things get out of hand and China miscalculates. hack89 Feb 2013 #57

I think over the next 10 years we'll see Japan re-arming .. Ganja Ninja Feb 2013 #5

"carriers" Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #9

"Hundreds of millions of troops can be wiped out very quickly without using nukes" OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #15

Just so you know, China has the following military stats.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #22

None of that matters much in a war against Japan. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #33

If I'm China, I take out Japan's air bases/air force/naval units immediately using.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #46

Japan would immediately invoke the treaty Light House Feb 2013 #49

Sorry, but that sounds like the standard right-wing propaganda that has gotten us .... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #59

You think that the U.S, wouldn't come to the aid of Japan? Light House Feb 2013 #62

You're welcome to your opinion, but quite a bit has changed since W lied to get us.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #65

And you're welcome to your opinion Light House Feb 2013 #66

They already have a large and modern military hack89 Feb 2013 #21

If you consider 250,000 military personnel as "large".... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #24

It won't be a land war hack89 Feb 2013 #25

Numbers, numbers, numbers....China has them and Japan does not.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #67

China cannot project power far from her coast hack89 Feb 2013 #69

I disagree. Let's leave it at that. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #71

China also has disputes with the nations that surround the South China Sea. amandabeech Feb 2013 #6

Add South Korea to the list as well davidpdx Feb 2013 #18

Yes, thank you for reminding me of the Korean's disputes. amandabeech Feb 2013 #29

If something like this happened Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #7

this is a little scary quinnox Feb 2013 #8

Agree. ananda Feb 2013 #17

Meanwhile US corporations continue to enrich China. DevonRex Feb 2013 #10

China and India fought a border war in 1962. If India is protecting its border with China now, pampango Feb 2013 #11

"In a first, Indian tank brigades to defend China border" DevonRex Feb 2013 #12

When I served in the US Navy mick063 Feb 2013 #13

Not likely, no. Neither side has anything to gain and much to lose. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #14

INCSEA ananda Feb 2013 #16

As someone else in the thread pointed out many other countries are involved as well davidpdx Feb 2013 #19

I'm the author of the post to which you are referring. amandabeech Feb 2013 #51

Moving tanks is a show. cloudbase Feb 2013 #28

Which would give Japan a decided advantage Light House Feb 2013 #36

The real problem in all of this OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #34

Be offended if you like, but this is the most inane post of the year 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #35

Japans Navy and Air Force are far superior to China's. Light House Feb 2013 #39

Sorry, 1-Old-Man, but your post is the inane one. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #40

Read my post #24. Do you REALLY define 250,000 military personnel as "substantial"??.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #55

Number of personnel makes little difference in a very geographically separated war. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #60

Which Japan's assets are far superior to China's. Light House Feb 2013 #64