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17. In seven years in the Marine Corps, I never met anyone
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:10 PM
Feb 2013

who thought he was above the law. Your mileage may vary.

Jefferson and drones [View all] Recursion Feb 2013 OP
Yes, let's make any argument we can to justify ditching our liberties whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #1
I'm pointing out that this is a debate as old as the Republic Recursion Feb 2013 #2
Well let me point out whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #6
The Administration has not claimed an authority to assassinate arbitrary Americans "who might pose struggle4progress Feb 2013 #22
They need to rewrite it whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #23
Who needs to rewrite what? struggle4progress Feb 2013 #25
The legal basis for that provision of the NDAA whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #26
There seems to have been a political consensus in the US for about a dozen years struggle4progress Feb 2013 #27
Fuck political consensus whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #28
If you merely intend to complain without effect, why should anyone listen? But if you want an effect struggle4progress Feb 2013 #30
If you get that person to actually evaluate your points logically, you should get appointed the stevenleser Feb 2013 #32
Unfortunately, to convince people, it is usually necessary to get them to reach struggle4progress Feb 2013 #33
This is typical of what I have seen of the anti-drone crowd on DU. Non-rational when it comes to stevenleser Feb 2013 #35
Bullshit whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #36
You clearly haven't heard anything stevenleser Feb 2013 #39
Uh huh whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #41
You win the debate as any reasoned person can see. stevenleser Feb 2013 #29
whatchamacallit has it Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #24
Whose liberties? My liberties are just fine. EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #7
Oh yay whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #9
What pirate ship was Alawi on? tblue Feb 2013 #3
I'm sure Jefferson would have been in favor of drones. hughee99 Feb 2013 #4
Did you skip the part of the OP that said that Jefferson did exactly what you suggest would appall stevenleser Feb 2013 #34
You don't see a difference between allowing attacks on pirate ships hughee99 Feb 2013 #38
No, I dont see the difference. And that is based on the anti-drone arguments as presented stevenleser Feb 2013 #40
Obama hate. That must be it. hughee99 Feb 2013 #42
Jefferson? Ah, yes, in praise of 225 years unhampered by progress. HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #5
i wasn't trying to say it's easy, just that it's precedented Recursion Feb 2013 #8
Yes, but, precedent doesn't actually validate throwing away 200 yrs of moral progress... HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #11
Like what? What moral progress or progress of any kind has been made in dealing with that kind of a stevenleser Feb 2013 #31
We no longer summarily hang pirates from yardarms Recursion Feb 2013 #44
Now we fire bullets, shells and missiles at their boats from warships. stevenleser Feb 2013 #45
We always did that Recursion Feb 2013 #46
"Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet... Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #10
I've heard that called "Jefferson's self-imposed War Powers Act" in the past. Gorp Feb 2013 #12
There has been a distinction, historically Recursion Feb 2013 #14
"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy." John Quincy Adams Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #13
On our better days Recursion Feb 2013 #15
Obviously, the military and CIA consider themselves above the law. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #16
In seven years in the Marine Corps, I never met anyone Recursion Feb 2013 #17
You never met any officers? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #19
I met plenty of officers Recursion Feb 2013 #20
They were more concerned with kissing ass than the peasants were. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #21
The best that can be said in response is that the drone targets are very rarely if ever geek tragedy Feb 2013 #18
Excellent OP. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #37
Jefferson acted to an open and ongoing explicit threat in a certain area. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #43
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