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ananda

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28. It was just as nasty in previous years.
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:43 AM
Feb 2013

I grew my political wings in Dallas in the sixties, during the Civil Rights, fluoride, and Medicare era, and talk about hate and craziness ... it was mean, ugly, hot and intense. But there were also beautiful, inspiring moments because of the Kennedy's and LBJ and a few others. Jane Fonda was on the stage working to end the Vietnam War, and the music was fantastic!

Dallas was like a cauldron simmering and seething with a mixture of the whole mess. It was horrible and wonderful at the same time... you know, the best of times and the worst of times. Gotta love that Dickens for sure!

I remember General Walker, the crazy loon, with his confederate uniform and pistols, standing in his doorway yelling and shooting. Also, the John Birch Society was in its prime there. When I was in eighth grade, I had to debate a position against the United Nations, and my mother was no help because she was a diehard liberal and loved the UN, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Adlai Stevenson. So she took me to the John Bircher mother of one of my brother's classmates who had lots of brochures and pamphlets against the UN; and get this, even though we were for the UN, my partner and I won the debate. Too weird. The pastor of my parish was also a John Bircher, and every week in the bulletin a whole page was devoted to "J Edgar Hoover Says," and that pastor was a mean, crazy loon too.

Then there was the time during the primaries when LBJ and Ladybird were in a parade in downtown Dallas and people were yelling at them, throwing stuff, and spitting on them.. because of Civil Rights.

And don't forget, all the bigotry and hate in other states too. Steinbeck described it tellingly on one of his trips (I'm thinking America and Americans, but it might have been Travels with Charley). His accurate portrayal of the Louisiana and Mississippi "Cheerleaders" was so amazing, disturbing, and effective. Plus in the late fifties I believe, there was Edward R Murrow's "Harvest of Shame," a fine segue on The Grapes of Wrath.

Do we even have journalists and broadcasters like that any more?

Question for the older generation.... [View all] OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 OP
not in my lifetime Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #1
Do you not remember 1968?!? BOBBY WAS ASSASSINATED! And in '72 WALLACE WAS SHOT! WinkyDink Feb 2013 #5
I don't, unfortunately. You're talking about politics, though, and I think the OP was asking about.. Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #11
Actually, I was referring to politics. n/t OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #13
Oh. I thought you meant how government is operating... Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #16
Do a google of the 1956 republican platform Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #2
No. Shit got crazy when they went after Clinton, imo elehhhhna Feb 2013 #3
You must be younger than 35. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #6
Like everything, it cycles. nt eilen Feb 2013 #4
The fringes have become the norms Progressive dog Feb 2013 #7
Hamilton and Burr had a deadly DUEL, fergawdsake. And does no-one recall these Dallas flyers? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #8
+1. n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #10
Well, in fairness, there was this flyer: Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #17
Kennedy never allowed thousands of American civilians to be killed baldguy Feb 2013 #34
Not disputing the myriad of differences between 44 and 43.... Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #41
There's a mortal difference between the JFK one and this joke. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #85
Yes, but the methods of supposed "exposure" are the same. Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #91
WOW, I don't remember that. life long demo Feb 2013 #62
BESIDES this, JFK was warned off Dallas because Adlai AND LADY BIRD were SPAT UPON there. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #86
FDR was called "Mr Rosenfelt" marybourg Feb 2013 #9
As the others above have suggested... A HERETIC I AM Feb 2013 #12
Interesting customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #63
"instances of liberals being hateful and mean-spirited, too." hootinholler Feb 2013 #14
He's confusing today's Democrats with Liberals. RC Feb 2013 #52
How about this instance? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #104
Really? Had to go back to 2004 to find one? hootinholler Feb 2013 #105
Disagree. I think it was mean-spirited. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #106
Have American politics always been this nasty and mean-spirited? Flashmann Feb 2013 #15
Today . . . Brewinblue Feb 2013 #18
It's usually a good idea not to dictate what we can and can't say Oilwellian Feb 2013 #19
Seconded IDemo Feb 2013 #22
Yes. It's kind of hard to talk about it OnionPatch Feb 2013 #40
No (55 here) IDemo Feb 2013 #20
From politicaldictionary.com: Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2013 #21
These are the most polarized and mean-spitited times ever, and I was born in 1942. dmosh42 Feb 2013 #23
The nastiness quotient has increased. Purplehazed Feb 2013 #24
It's always been crazy, but since the Tea Party, it seems to have Frustratedlady Feb 2013 #25
Please re-read my Post #5. I'd like to know how the present is more "dangerous" than 1968. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #89
Please give examples of liberals being Zoeisright Feb 2013 #26
Try being a Southerner on DU. nolabear Feb 2013 #31
Okay... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #42
BULLSHIT: "Plus, I've seen instances of liberals being hateful and mean-spirited, too." FSogol Feb 2013 #27
It was just as nasty in previous years. ananda Feb 2013 #28
The 'good ol' days' eh.... CanSocDem Feb 2013 #44
+ 1,000,000,000,000 love_katz Feb 2013 #102
It's Been Ugly, Before. But Now It's Organized And Applied, To A Whole Other Depth. Paladin Feb 2013 #29
I don't think it's any worse than it was in the past, the difference is 24 hour news and hate radio. OregonBlue Feb 2013 #30
Certainly a significant factor, but the never-ending election cycle effects what Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #39
Sorry, but the decades-long right wing propaganda campaign and media changes are a big part Overseas Feb 2013 #32
Would a duel to the death be considered nasty and mean spirited? oldhippie Feb 2013 #33
Always Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #35
Yes, it's always been this way. Read some history. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #36
Politics has always been a dirty business cbrer Feb 2013 #37
It has always been nasty, but election season used to end. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #38
how would you define "older"? Dan Feb 2013 #43
People who can recall how US politics used to be before, say, 1980 or 1990. N/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #45
Based on the watered down version of US History taught is schools these days.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #75
Though it is tempting to say OldHippieChick Feb 2013 #46
Aaron Burr vs. Alexander Hamilton for starters. graham4anything Feb 2013 #47
See Post #8 ;-) WinkyDink Feb 2013 #87
Yup! graham4anything Feb 2013 #88
It would btw, be interesting to know the round number age wise of posters graham4anything Feb 2013 #48
"Getting into politics is like stepping in dogshit." From The Motorcycle Diaries. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #49
Poor question gets poor answers. Igel Feb 2013 #50
I'm 64 aristocles Feb 2013 #51
Lucky you...one more year and you can get SS! Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #69
Can get it at 62. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #96
It was pretty bad back in the late '60s Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #53
There have been nasty times--McCarthy Era, for example, and long before the Burr/Hamilton duel... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #54
I am also 64. It's my opinion SheilaT Feb 2013 #55
It seems that when there is plenty to go around customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #65
That's an interesting point. SheilaT Feb 2013 #71
I traced it to the Nixon era customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #73
thats what happened when democratic voters tossed LBJ the most liberal president ever, out graham4anything Feb 2013 #103
Often, but not always. bemildred Feb 2013 #56
I am 67 . It has gotten nastier. s-cubed Feb 2013 #57
I am 74 and I agree with you. n/t RebelOne Feb 2013 #67
Obama and Chomsky agree - Obama would be considered a moderate Republican bananas Feb 2013 #72
Nixon I remember a bit - he was nasty as they get, but underhanded about it bhikkhu Feb 2013 #58
"Underhanded"?! Nixon had a notorious "Enemies List"! He told Haldeman to "get me the names WinkyDink Feb 2013 #90
My 88 yr old father said never this bad. It has been bad, but not this bad ever. uppityperson Feb 2013 #59
Surely he remembers the assassinations and attempts on JFK, RFK, MLK, Wallace, Ford, Reagan? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #93
Don't call him Shirley. Yes, he does, as do I. The bi-polarization has gotten much more extreme uppityperson Feb 2013 #97
I remember during the 70's it was mean spirited, but I think life long demo Feb 2013 #60
There's a long tradition of nastiness in American politics customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #61
In the past we have not been inundated and aware of such political nastiness, thanks to lumpy Feb 2013 #64
Ooooo! I love open ended questions with 15 rules about what not to talk about!!!! lunatica Feb 2013 #66
I don't know that it has always continuously been this way, but Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #68
Good Lord, NO! nruthie Feb 2013 #70
Good lawd yes! Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #74
Southern conservatives were always this hateful Warpy Feb 2013 #76
umm there was a civil war at some point. i am going to guess things were more divisive then La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #77
HA! THE perfect response! Thank you! WinkyDink Feb 2013 #94
There has always been treachery and cut-throat tactics in our political history, however... world wide wally Feb 2013 #78
Have you heard of the Civil War? nt HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #79
It has always been nasty Revanchist Feb 2013 #80
Anything for a Vote: Dirty Tricks, Cheap Shots, and October Surprises..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #81
I think it has always been like this but since we have 24/7 blanketed "news" now... WCGreen Feb 2013 #82
Imagine if mainstreetonce Feb 2013 #83
Old political Junkie's Opinion dem in texas Feb 2013 #84
Never been this bad... Bigmack Feb 2013 #92
I strenuously disagree re: "worse than the VietNam divisiveness." That is the ORIGIN of "Reagan WinkyDink Feb 2013 #95
OK, so it looks like there are more or less two schools of thought in this thread. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #98
We may be more aware of it, for the reasons you state Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #99
While I am not qualified to make an overall assessment... LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #100
No. Never this nasty Berlum Feb 2013 #101
I'm not sure if I count LWolf Feb 2013 #107
I was bad before but it went off the cliff with Reagan. n/t L0oniX Feb 2013 #108
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