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hay rick

(7,605 posts)
44. Make an example.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:30 AM
Feb 2013

Well done. Elizabeth Warren prefaces her question by suggesting that if a big bank expects that the penalty for bad behavior will be a consent decree and a fine that can be paid from a portion of the proceeds from their bad behavior- then they will have very little incentive to refrain from bad behavior. She states the obvious, but that makes the follow up question (when was the last time you took a big bank to TRIAL?) devastating when the answer is "never" or "don't know."

I thought it was hilarious that Curry, from OCC, was the first one to speak up and the first one to fall on the punji sticks. A discussion of his agency's handling of the recent Independent Foreclosure Review here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525602

Yves Smith weighs in on the settlement here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/02/occ-compounds-botched-foreclosure-review-process-with-barmy-plan-for-distributing-peanuts.html

Warren rightly points out that if a party (any government regulatory agency, for example) is unwilling to go to trial, they have reduced leverage in negotiations. The recent OCC settlement is a poster child for this phenomenon. Here's what Smith has to say about the OCC's pretense that the settlement they got was good for homeowners:

Just focus on the cash portion, which is $3.3 billion across the ten servicers in the settlement. The other forms of relief, paralleling the state attorney general/Federal settlement, either aren’t worth much (writing off deficiency judgments) or are for things the banks were inclined to do anyhow.

495,000 complaint letters were filed. The estimates of serious harm from the whistleblowers at the Bank of America site in Tampa Bay ranged from 10% to 80%. The average was 33%, and the estimates also clustered around 30% to 40%. So we’ll use 30%...
...
You get $18.75 billion. Let’s say maybe the temps were too generous and their estimate is 1/3 too high. You still get $12.5 billion, nearly four times the amount for the banks to divvy up. And you’d have some less large payouts for the people not seriously harmed. If you would have qualified for a mod but the bank never processed your application, or were denied a mod incorrectly, that’s a $15,000 award. The folks who were processing mod complaints say they saw another 30% to 40% instances of less serious harm. So if you assume a $15,000 payout for another 20% (that’s conservative, the real number is probably closer to 30%), you get another $1.5 billion.

$14 billion, which is a conservative estimate of what the banks should have been required to cough up, is more than four times the only part that the OCC got that really matters, hard dollar payments to borrowers that suffered real losses. No wonder the banks are perfectly happy to pay out $2 billion to consultants who made a mess of things. Those madcap consultant were as clever as foxes.


But hey, one quarter of a fair settlement is better than no settlement at all. Elizabeth draws the obvious conclusion- we need to make an example of someone or we will never get fair settlement agreements or discourage banks from engaging in bad behavior.









Boom! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #1
Whoa! ananda Feb 2013 #2
For sure colbertforpresident Feb 2013 #24
New sheriff in town, y'all! freckleface Feb 2013 #3
Great clip, but could not help noticing all of the bottled water with their labels likesmountains 52 Feb 2013 #4
That is our Royalty there. RC Feb 2013 #12
This portion of Diss the Senate dog and pony show is brought to you by... Larry Ogg Feb 2013 #63
Love her! I wish she had been in the Senate as the mess unfolded in 2007-2009 LonePirate Feb 2013 #5
Now we're cooking with gas! K&R! think Feb 2013 #6
I LOVE HER! Safetykitten Feb 2013 #7
She is A Force to be Reckoned with! sheshe2 Feb 2013 #8
Thannk you Mssachesetts for electing the most effective senator the Dems have! napi21 Feb 2013 #9
YES! Thank goddess for Elizabeth! Long overdue... CTyankee Feb 2013 #64
Yes. She could be the Chip Kelly of the Banking Committee Left Coast2020 Feb 2013 #103
Oh Yeah!! Liberal_Dog Feb 2013 #10
bannedfromkos does not approve whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #11
Who from Kos? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #108
I think she may still have some campaign debt... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #13
Willy, thank you for posting this. Firebrand Gary Feb 2013 #14
Alas Ted Cruz is my senator vlyons Feb 2013 #62
I am so sorry for your situation. =( Firebrand Gary Feb 2013 #104
Can we please clone her? trublu992 Feb 2013 #15
I love this woman more than I can say. nt Chalco Feb 2013 #16
Thank you for standing up for the American people, Senator Warren Berlum Feb 2013 #17
"Too BIG to Fail has become Too BIG to Trial." joeunderdog Feb 2013 #28
Sen. Elizabeth Warren: a bankster's worst nightmare meow2u3 Feb 2013 #18
k+r! TeamPooka Feb 2013 #19
Fantastic!!! dhill926 Feb 2013 #20
awesome! k&r! wildbilln864 Feb 2013 #21
Gee! Just think how if over four years ago... Hotler Feb 2013 #22
And that they're smart businesspeople. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #31
He didn't just say they did nothing illegal. bvar22 Feb 2013 #86
look at all the baseball players wrecking the economy.. frylock Feb 2013 #95
Amazing woman! Rider3 Feb 2013 #23
Wow...such a rarity to see a Democrat actually like a Democrat anymore! forestpath Feb 2013 #25
+1 dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #49
"we correct deficiencies" joeunderdog Feb 2013 #26
"We don't have to bring people to trial to achieve our supervisory goal." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #27
If big banking corporations are people, I hope some of them get the death penalty. reformist2 Feb 2013 #29
My God! It's like she's channeling President Obama! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #30
Sorry, but I think it's the other way Euphoria Feb 2013 #32
I was being sarcastic. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #38
Please use the sarcasm tag Manny... Larry Ogg Feb 2013 #66
Ah, sorry. Should've figured it out Euphoria Feb 2013 #72
Okay if I stop by after 5pm? KansDem Feb 2013 #74
Only if you bring the olives Euphoria Feb 2013 #83
More like FDR. mountain grammy Feb 2013 #36
Imagine if she ProSense Feb 2013 #84
Thank goodness MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #85
Fantastic. I cannot WAIT til she runs for POTUS dorksied Feb 2013 #33
Me too! :) nt abelenkpe Feb 2013 #39
Awesome! n/t onestepforward Feb 2013 #34
President Elizabeth Warren, 2016, and America has a chance. mountain grammy Feb 2013 #35
Bazing Senator Warren. I love you! lonestarnot Feb 2013 #37
If we don't put this woman in the White House Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #40
I'd really be interested to know how much financial help she got from the DSCC rhett o rick Feb 2013 #77
I'm sure Elizabeth Warren wouldn't exactly Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #78
The problem she faces is that she is way to progressive for the party machine. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #88
And sometimes Iwillnevergiveup Feb 2013 #41
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #42
YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BlueStreak Feb 2013 #43
You are half right GiveMeFreedom Feb 2013 #82
Make an example. hay rick Feb 2013 #44
Every time I watch that video it gets better. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #45
Thanks WillyT! nt caledesi Feb 2013 #46
We need more like her! progressoid Feb 2013 #47
"Too big to fail has become too big for trial... longship Feb 2013 #48
Bingo! Classic line. MissMarple Feb 2013 #53
Message auto-removed Leeds Devil Feb 2013 #50
Thank you, Elizabeth Warren. Finally a Senator with integrity. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #51
Go Elizabeth! burrowowl Feb 2013 #52
Bless you Senator Warren!! johnnyreb Feb 2013 #54
Women are like chocolate: Soft, sensuous, filling and full of good things that bring life to the juajen Feb 2013 #55
Their both of the same gender, and then the comparison ends... Larry Ogg Feb 2013 #71
ooooh, the banks aren't going to like this lady for the next six years! Hulk Feb 2013 #56
WOW! WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW! snort Feb 2013 #57
Thank you Senator Warren (you too WillyT)!!!!! Scuba Feb 2013 #58
Nice to have her and the President on our side. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #59
She'll do far more than embarrass them if we elect her prez in 2016. nt Zorra Feb 2013 #60
Such a simple question. With such devastating effects. tclambert Feb 2013 #61
It shows just how corrupt Washington is, that nobody has ever challenged them before. reformist2 Feb 2013 #68
I love Elizabeth Warren malaise Feb 2013 #65
She makes it SO clear these "regulators" are all lap dogs. They should all be fired. reformist2 Feb 2013 #67
Elizabeth Warren FTW malthaussen Feb 2013 #69
That was awesome! cate94 Feb 2013 #70
Massachusetts' new Senior Senator... horseshoecrab Feb 2013 #73
Yes, she is great. MrYikes Feb 2013 #75
She is brilliant! hamsterjill Feb 2013 #76
They all squirmed and couldn't bring themselves to say "never" DFW Feb 2013 #79
She's great!. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #80
K&R Raffi Ella Feb 2013 #81
Hooray for Senator Warren!!! bvar22 Feb 2013 #87
A couple slingshots like this just might bring some Goliaths down Blue Owl Feb 2013 #89
I love it. They stopped her from being in charge of the very agency Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #90
I love her so much. MirrorAshes Feb 2013 #91
She is just so freaking awesome! liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #92
And these are the *regulators* Prism Feb 2013 #93
pwn@ge frylock Feb 2013 #94
Thankyou Elizabeth LiberalLovinLug Feb 2013 #96
Elizabeth Warren for President 2016 Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #97
AWE!!!!!! SOME!!!!! lexw Feb 2013 #98
She is very impressive. Blanks Feb 2013 #99
I applaud Senator Warren RT_Fanatic Feb 2013 #100
This Cherokee is very proud of Elizabeth chase48 Feb 2013 #101
I love Elizabeth Warren! Owl Feb 2013 #102
Pee-wee Herman chimes in Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #105
lulz upi402 Feb 2013 #106
What we are all witnessing is the end of any type of democracy in our God-forsaken nation truedelphi Feb 2013 #107
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