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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)66. His manifesto fails my smell test. He rants on about how he wants to kill mean lesbian bosses and
minority officers ("high value targets?" That is some SICK shit and there's just no justifying that kind of talk) but his claim of "inappropriate actions" hasn't been substantiated by anyone who served with him.
Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1?s) and novice P-2s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.
Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. Im not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.
Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.
Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, I dont like conflict. You are a high value target as well.
Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#ixzz2KtfjcfGQ
Read more at http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#Yg2X7Cxy5YtHS6T4.99
Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. Im not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.
Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.
Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, I dont like conflict. You are a high value target as well.
Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#ixzz2KtfjcfGQ
Read more at http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#Yg2X7Cxy5YtHS6T4.99
It is so easy to make accusations, and it's entirely likely that someone can accuse someone of doing something and the wagons are circled, and nothing is done, once, maybe even twice, but this guy, over and over and over, has problems and ONLY HE can see them, and EVERYONE ELSE (other blacks, hispanics, lesbians and asians, specificially) is evil and colluding against him. You'd think, if the job really did suck so much, that he wouldn't stay on, being victimized and bullied, day in, day out, for his two year probation before they let him go. If he could see that it wasn't a good fit, the thing to do is leave on good terms, not wait to get the boot. Go where you're celebrated, not where you're tolerated.
I think some of his claims were at least partly in his head, or that he aggrandized incidents to suit a victim mentality, and he may have even based his complaints on old stories that he read of real abuses from past victims of LAPD excess and brutality. And if you read the full "manifesto," he starts griping, towards the end, about grievances going all the way back to junior high school mean students, evil PE teachers, and assistant principals. He's plainly in Professional Victim mode. And since he was suspended way back in 2008, and terminated in January of 2009, he's been nursing this grudge for four long years, at least.
This guy was plainly NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer. He boasted about his "Dam Neck" training, yet he couldn't start a boat and managed to fuck up the propeller with the tow line; he couldn't manage to tie up two people so they couldn't escape, and couldn't manage to start their keyless vehicle (had to go back and ask how to start it)--he was just a screw up.
I think he was big, fit and had a good appearance, and that carried him a long way. I think he probably wasn't the sharpest knife, and had poor judgment, and then, when mental illness comes into the picture, the result was an imperfect storm of tragedy. He was only ON the force for two short probationary years--the way he writes, he has enough "drama" for a twenty year career. I think he was what many agencies call a "low quality recruit" who looked good during the vetting process, but who wasn't able to fold into the organization effectively pwing to untreated and serious mental illness.
The last section of that diatribe, where he praises Chris Christie and Hillary Clinton in the same sentence, and rambles on about Shark Week and other actors and news presenters he likes and hates, is a real window into his head--and it is plain that this guy isn't all there.
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What? You mean the 'gubberment conspiracy' to take him out isn't the extent of the story?
onehandle
Feb 2013
#4
No. You address the real issues head on and leave this other nonsense alone.
BlueStreak
Feb 2013
#168
Neither Ned Kelley, Billy the Kid, nor Bonnie and Clyde ever ambushed and murdered ...
11 Bravo
Feb 2013
#186
The "they" that shot up the vehicles is NOT the "they" that surrounded the cabin.
MADem
Feb 2013
#23
The "they" that were running the show were the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Department.
MADem
Feb 2013
#35
Yes, and they had an APV out there that was tearing down the walls of the cabin, too.
MADem
Feb 2013
#114
Do you realize those that "shot up the vehicles" were not the same departments either???????????????
George II
Feb 2013
#57
Both shootings were IN Torrance, the first by LAPD, the second by Torrance PD.....
George II
Feb 2013
#134
or, one may feel that you are missing a very glaring point. the victims.... nt
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#12
No, the ones about whom you've shown zero concern. As has most of the site. nt
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#82
Yes, some of whom left spouses and young children. It's rather unfortunate that a very small crew
MADem
Feb 2013
#16
There are inconvenient truths to his situation, too, that people would rather not acknowledge.
MADem
Feb 2013
#90
My sympathy for Mr Dorner ends at the two uninvolved people he murdered. That said ....
marble falls
Feb 2013
#21
What is more messed up is the outrage on Dorner's behalf, not for Monica Quan or Keith Lawrence.
dkf
Feb 2013
#25
Most people are outraged, not on dorner's "behalf", but at the inappropriate actions of police.
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#32
And Dorner murdering Quan and Lawrence in cold blood was an appropriate action?
dbackjon
Feb 2013
#42
That is where you get it all wrong. There is not ONE DUer who thinks Dorner's murders were ok.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#74
His manifesto fails my smell test. He rants on about how he wants to kill mean lesbian bosses and
MADem
Feb 2013
#66
They aren't controversial but he is? People like to talk about controversy. It's human nature.
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#31
By that logic, we should never have trials for murder. While the courts are flawed, lynch mobs have
yurbud
Feb 2013
#38
I am not implying that at all, but "due process" like the Geneva Convention is for people we don't
yurbud
Feb 2013
#54
I was arguing with your comment about the victims which implied that with that crime,
yurbud
Feb 2013
#133
people are giving the domestic equivalent of the argument for torture and drone executions
yurbud
Feb 2013
#44
Indeed. If this were a simple event of a nutcase killing innocents and, in the end, being chased
Nay
Feb 2013
#59
What about the inflexible mob that is unwilling to admit that Dorner had a chance to surrender
dbackjon
Feb 2013
#48
So, your stance is that Dorner is the real victim, and until his good name is cleared
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#85
I disagree. Decent people will be concerned about investigating this case and bringing those
ciking724
Feb 2013
#130
If it wasn't against the TOS to call you a troll, I'd call you a troll. nt
Dreamer Tatum
Feb 2013
#169
This man was not insane, and you know that. He WAS NOT a serial murderer, or he
ciking724
Feb 2013
#167
How dare you call a DUer evil while excusing a serial killer. Yes, he was a serial killer.
DevonRex
Feb 2013
#181
People who identify with a serial killer generally are sociopaths to begin with.
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#123
these argument about dorner are really pushing on the intellectually dishonest territory
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#77
yes, because there is historical context there. not because of nothing.
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#92
Historical context is irrelevant to the blameworthiness of a man who murders
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#93
yes, and no one is saying that she was not a victim or that her death was not sad
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#100
one person w. 65 posts on du. my original argument that people are really stretching
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#105
again, we can't control individual mad men we however have a responsibility to control
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#109
one du'er with 65 posts, is your best example of how du'ers dont think about the victim.
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#104
this is because we can't stop individual people but the state acts at our behest
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#108
Yes, Lioness, you are exactly correct. I expect DUers to be better at critical thinking, and I
Nay
Feb 2013
#91
The main point of intellectual dishonesty is the claim that the police use of the tear
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#127
When people make shit up about how his rights were violated, that's a tacit
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#135
yeah i agree. also we dont exert control over random civilian actions (even if they are as heinous
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2013
#174
The reason for the difference is that DU is largely a place for discussing public affairs.
Jim Lane
Feb 2013
#122
The question, though, is whether this debate would be going on under the exact
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#139
Too many people are trying to "understand" Dorner and intellectualized gibberish defenses of him
bluestateguy
Feb 2013
#140