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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
133. or the doner could have walked out of the burning house and not shot himself
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:57 AM
Feb 2013

and allowed dead body to burn.

Surround the cabin with a cordon of 5,000 officers more than 1000 yards away. randome Feb 2013 #1
He'd die from hunger eventually. LisaL Feb 2013 #24
yes, and then the police would be castigated over not delivering pizzas and beer to his front CAG Feb 2013 #28
Exactly. LisaL Feb 2013 #37
You sure seem to have a general dislike of DUers. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #45
Not all DUers. Only some. LisaL Feb 2013 #50
Too many transfats!!!! Don't you CARE how that pig DIED so they could put CAG Feb 2013 #47
No, the complaint would be the pizza was cold. I remember when a prison was going to cold lunches KittyWampus Feb 2013 #119
And don't forget travel money. cliffordu Feb 2013 #181
and how many die in the process? BainsBane Feb 2013 #55
That WAS sarcasm but you make an excellent point also. randome Feb 2013 #127
Chanting to raise the cabin off the ground ... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #94
Hey, that might work. randome Feb 2013 #128
The Monday morning Quarterback has it easy. baldguy Feb 2013 #2
+1000; lots of tactical armchair experts around here who just KNOW that they could have CAG Feb 2013 #5
I think most of us can agree that Dorner would not be taken alive 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #131
One could argue they could have tried to wait him out. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #3
right because non-incendiary tear gas 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #132
He shot himself rather than leave the building, so for all practical purposes geek tragedy Feb 2013 #134
The problem I'm having is the increasing incidence of violence 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #136
Police reaction to Occupy was 10000 times worse than geek tragedy Feb 2013 #141
I think Dorner just brought more to light is all. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #148
We know that Dorner was determined to avoid a trial. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #150
nope, but setting the cabin on fire was a bit premature. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #153
Maybe/ But given how dangerous this guy was a bit premature geek tragedy Feb 2013 #165
You're right. Light House Feb 2013 #154
Great post. Light House Feb 2013 #147
thanks, and I get what you are saying 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #151
You're right about how he was treated as opposed to how he would have Light House Feb 2013 #159
ah, thanks for the correction on burner name 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #161
or the doner could have walked out of the burning house and not shot himself seabeyond Feb 2013 #133
yes, I am particularly interested in the "without further loss of life" part, because out of all CAG Feb 2013 #4
That's what I've been saying all day. Light House Feb 2013 #19
Exactly. He put himself into this situation. If you walk into a bank CAG Feb 2013 #23
Until they develop a knockout gas rather than tear gas Warpy Feb 2013 #6
I'm sorry. my response was rude. didnt mean it the way I said it. response to reply 7 robinlynne Feb 2013 #11
They have "knockout gasses".. sir pball Feb 2013 #183
Exactly, dosage has always been a problem Warpy Feb 2013 #193
Since when did "Bring to justice" become "Burn motherfucker?" rightsideout Feb 2013 #7
OK, bring him to justice nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #8
Ummm, use regular tear gas, not the kind that burns the motherfucker down? EOTE Feb 2013 #144
The FBI, the U.S. Marshal's Service and the San Berdadino PD made these decisions. randome Feb 2013 #146
I never said that the LAPD made those decisions. EOTE Feb 2013 #157
I thought that I saw a report Light House Feb 2013 #149
And the LAPD made it crystal clear they wouldn't take him alive. EOTE Feb 2013 #155
The LAPD had nothing to do with the cabin confrontation. randome Feb 2013 #156
I never said that they did. EOTE Feb 2013 #158
I respectfully disagree. Light House Feb 2013 #162
Those two thoughts are not mutually exclusive. EOTE Feb 2013 #164
Those LAPD officers that shot up vehicles willy nilly Light House Feb 2013 #173
It's the lack of second guessing that has turned PDs across the country into travesties of justice. EOTE Feb 2013 #174
We'll just have to see things differently. Light House Feb 2013 #176
Likewise. NT EOTE Feb 2013 #177
It was tear gas that set the place on fire. He punked out and shot himself. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author robinlynne Feb 2013 #10
Ah, the police of America have no experience with standoffs! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Feb 2013 #20
+1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #43
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #110
Thank you. NT EOTE Feb 2013 #145
The LAPD is already lying Politicalboi Feb 2013 #13
This wasn't even an LAPD op. Light House Feb 2013 #27
Bottom line? Light House Feb 2013 #14
There's always the argument (not that I agree with it) that kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #40
Dorner had every opportunity to surrender during his week on the run. Light House Feb 2013 #52
He was not acting rationally - that much is obvious. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #71
I think you just hit on the problem. Light House Feb 2013 #74
The "they" that shot up the women in the truck were not the "they" who used an APV to tear down MADem Feb 2013 #118
i think some feel it was worth the loss of a few other lives to take him alive JI7 Feb 2013 #15
those are only cop's lives BainsBane Feb 2013 #58
Some of us feel that the tactics that the cops did use put lives at risk. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #75
How would they have handled it if he had a hostage? RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #16
SWAT would have been sent in to storm the house. That usually involves shooting the suspect. stevenleser Feb 2013 #67
Thanks for the answer RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #72
What happened in the standoff where the boy was being held? nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #138
There are two different, but related issues. jerseyjack Feb 2013 #17
Does the name Timothy Dale Johnson ring a bell? onenote Feb 2013 #21
+100. nt CAG Feb 2013 #26
The point is, Johnson was given the opportunity to surrender and did not. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #33
The guy was on the run for days. He made no effort to surrender. onenote Feb 2013 #39
Dorner was not right in the head. He believed that he kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #68
so you do understand now that he WAS given plenty of opportunities to surrender, right? uppityperson Feb 2013 #87
So, the fact that he was fucked in the head means they deprived him of due geek tragedy Feb 2013 #95
they threw loudspeakers into the cabin asking him to surrender TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #188
No, they stopped him from killing other people. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #65
They shouldn't have set fire to the cabin Taverner Feb 2013 #18
Setting fire to cabin (possibly after he shot himself). Sniper. What exactly is the difference? onenote Feb 2013 #22
Sniper doesn't have the chance of starting an enormous wildfire. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2013 #32
So that's what all the outrage is about? The risk of a wildfire? Good one! onenote Feb 2013 #41
It was during winter with lots of snow around. Light House Feb 2013 #83
The sniper sees who he is shooting and can shoot to incapacitate. tinrobot Feb 2013 #102
Burned it indiscriminately. Light House Feb 2013 #109
They still haven't identified the body. tinrobot Feb 2013 #137
There's not much doubt about it being Dorner. Light House Feb 2013 #140
Seriously? How often does that happen? Do you have some examples? onenote Feb 2013 #121
I am not an expert. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #25
Sound cannons? damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #29
"as soon as he's out pounce and arrest." nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #35
From Wikipedia damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #76
Well, you and Wikipedia know more than those in the field nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #139
Surround him and wait for him to get hungry and thirsty and come out with kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #30
Do you know for a fact that there wasn't food and water in that cabin? onenote Feb 2013 #49
It was a commercial rental cabin in a group of same. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #70
He was not going to come out Sissyk Feb 2013 #160
Well, nobodyspecial, an hour has passed and I don't see anybody answering your excellent CAG Feb 2013 #31
Sound cannons damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #44
S o u n d c a n n o n s...... CAG Feb 2013 #54
laugh it up but damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #57
but then there would be endless threads about the torture he was enduring. CAG Feb 2013 #62
Way to move that goalpost! EOTE Feb 2013 #182
Really? You think he would have come out with his hands up? onenote Feb 2013 #122
Well, I only ask this because I have loved ones in law enforcement nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #46
Interestingly, there was yet another OP at 10:53 tonight once again heavily CAG Feb 2013 #69
Several people have answered. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #81
They had control over his supply of food and water jeff47 Feb 2013 #34
Then the same posters would be screaming that police are starving Dorner to death and demanding LisaL Feb 2013 #36
Only in your head. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2013 #38
Really? So you would be just fine if they cut off his supply of water, he had no food, and LisaL Feb 2013 #42
Dehydration takes about 3-4 days to kill. jeff47 Feb 2013 #48
I am absolutely positive one can last quite a bit longer than 3-4 days without water. LisaL Feb 2013 #53
He didn't have the motivation to surrender when he was trapped in that cabin? What do you think onenote Feb 2013 #56
They would have killed him no matter what. AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #112
He had had that option for about a week, but decided to kill innocent people instead. CAG Feb 2013 #59
Information on how long one can survive without water. onenote Feb 2013 #61
Did the cabin have a toilet? There's 5 gallons in the tank... SidDithers Feb 2013 #123
agreed onenote Feb 2013 #124
He would have had plenty of water anyway TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #189
Yep, I don't know why people keep depicting this as some remote cabin nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #195
It takes a week to 10 days to die of dehydration, not 3-4. And he had lots of times and motivation uppityperson Feb 2013 #90
How do you ensure he doesn't escape during the evening. How many days do you surround onenote Feb 2013 #51
I think for some, it really doesn't matter if more cops died nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #60
How long 'till he runs out of water?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #63
It's not up to the "armchair strategists" to have an answer Glamrock Feb 2013 #64
They could have set up a perimiter and simply waited, there was no where for Dorner to go! DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #66
Wait him out. Even lunatics get hungry. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #73
Watch your suggestion get ignored. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #78
Since he had a gun, setting up a perimeter LisaL Feb 2013 #79
Lots of perps with guns have been contained and captured or killed with conventional tactics. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #82
So it's perfectly fine for a perp to be killed, as long as tactics are conventional? LisaL Feb 2013 #84
Setting the house on fire. Reckless endangerment in general. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #91
And how many resources go into keeping him there? mythology Feb 2013 #135
All these threads about Dorner - lynne Feb 2013 #77
Yeah, let's get the names, so Dorner truthers can harass them jberryhill Feb 2013 #92
Here's a post about the latest victims in reply to one Cha Feb 2013 #105
Did they bother trying? Union Scribe Feb 2013 #80
Well, if that someone wasn't setting out to kill them, maybe they would be more inclined to try. LisaL Feb 2013 #85
And it's clear you're fine with them not being inclined to at all. nt Union Scribe Feb 2013 #86
I don't believe that it could have been done in a safe manner. LisaL Feb 2013 #88
And it's clear that you're fine that Dorner Light House Feb 2013 #96
Dorner had murdered a cop that morning rather than surrender. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #89
Stop trying to paint DUers who disagree with you Union Scribe Feb 2013 #93
People are claiming that he was deprived of due process when geek tragedy Feb 2013 #99
"idiotic" is probably the kindest thing you've called DUers lately. nt Union Scribe Feb 2013 #101
People are proclaiming him a murder victim. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #103
He had already tried to leave the cabin but they pushed him back in, I guess using guns. dkf Feb 2013 #98
And if he did kill himself Union Scribe Feb 2013 #100
Well if you think there is no downside to his escaping then I guess so. dkf Feb 2013 #104
That doesn't follow at all Union Scribe Feb 2013 #107
I'm incredulous that you don't see they had an urgency because he could have escaped. dkf Feb 2013 #113
He killed himself only because he realized he couldn't kill any more cops. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #108
So why torch him? Union Scribe Feb 2013 #111
They didn't move in. Instead of sending people, they sent tear gas cannisters in. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #115
The police used to have people called "negotiators" Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #97
Did Dahmer, Manson, or Gacy resist arrest by shooting at officers when they approached? onenote Feb 2013 #180
Well... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #106
Maybe the cops should hire, I dunno, hostage situation & seige experts. Bucky Feb 2013 #114
I dunno damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #116
Siege. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #117
I'll bet they have gas canisters with sleeping gas in them 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #120
Moscow Theater siege onenote Feb 2013 #125
It would be difficult to administer a precise dosage 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #191
Taking him Alive Would Mean a Trial Macoy51 Feb 2013 #126
His 'allegations' were bullshit. randome Feb 2013 #129
Are you serious?!?!? nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #142
+1 onenote Feb 2013 #169
If he wanted a trial onenote Feb 2013 #167
You can't say that on DU! .. haven't you been warned? 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #190
He had limited food, ammunitions 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #130
So you don't mind his dying onenote Feb 2013 #166
I don't like the idea 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #170
Frozen in carbonite Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #143
They could have waited him out. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #152
For how long? onenote Feb 2013 #163
I don't know how much food he had. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #168
So it would be okay if he kills himself after getting really hungry onenote Feb 2013 #171
Well, I don't know if "okay" is the right word. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #175
So far it seems as if this whole thread has been pretty Light House Feb 2013 #178
I agree. I think we all understand that we are missing many details, ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #179
Oh, you said without further loss of life Progressive dog Feb 2013 #172
Without further ado I proudly present the answer. damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #184
Simple answer -- that was never Dorner's plan BlueStreak Feb 2013 #185
"There are other questions that legitimately should be asked about the LAPD." nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #186
Particularly Aerows Feb 2013 #194
Great post. Light House Feb 2013 #187
By him surrendering michigandem58 Feb 2013 #192
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