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bigapple1963

(111 posts)
118. pls
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:19 AM
Feb 2013

where's the abuse of police powers?

Are you saying that what the cops did was illegal under California or federal law?

Absolutely, MannyGoldstein! Th1onein Feb 2013 #1
I thought we were nineteen50 Feb 2013 #213
Manny, your subject had me wondering if you needed spanked, Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #2
I came stomping in here on blood pressure overdrive AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #147
He is good! Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #168
Me too,............. kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #187
K&R. I wish I had some pithy comment but I am shocked into silence. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #3
Yep. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #4
Spot on, Manny libodem Feb 2013 #5
Sad to say I have seen a few DUers with this attitude. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #6
You missed a few who got what they wanted... RevStPatrick Feb 2013 #107
You could say that DU got what it wanted, too. randome Feb 2013 #109
Thank you RevStPat. . . n/t annabanana Feb 2013 #120
Spot on. zeemike Feb 2013 #167
Good point. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #227
WTF? There are 10+ people who absolutely did NOT get what they wanted magical thyme Feb 2013 #123
Chris Dorner was a close friend of someone I know Stainless Feb 2013 #143
He murdered innocent peopel who were not LA PD! rustydog Feb 2013 #145
A bit of advice, dog Stainless Feb 2013 #161
The first two people he killed were not with the LAPD. randome Feb 2013 #162
You are misinformed Stainless Feb 2013 #163
People that merely need an intervention don't kill innocent people dbackjon Feb 2013 #176
WTF would I have done????? Zoeisright Feb 2013 #226
You need to get a grip Stainless Feb 2013 #231
I am very, very sad for *everybody* hurt by this tragedy magical thyme Feb 2013 #148
Thank you for your compassion Stainless Feb 2013 #164
he avoided hurting innocent people??? TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #214
My Post makes you sick? Stainless Feb 2013 #230
Yes the cops are not above the law Beringia Feb 2013 #7
I know, right? notadmblnd Feb 2013 #8
It seems to be the way of the Romans who watched the gladiators riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #9
Ha! zeemike Feb 2013 #169
Yes, we can do better. RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #10
I can understand why many.. sendero Feb 2013 #93
Manny chickens are coming home to roost nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #11
He could have full access to the courts and full protection of the laws. He chose otherwise. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #12
The police wanted to kill him even before the final gunfight. Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #16
That is speculation. You are just making things up, and then criticizing others BlueStreak Feb 2013 #35
every bit as speculative as your opinion frylock Feb 2013 #41
I'm not talking about the speculation regarding the final standoff Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #45
THAT is what the criticism and concern should be focused on! marions ghost Feb 2013 #102
I agree with you on that BlueStreak Feb 2013 #121
You are right they are speculating davidpdx Feb 2013 #90
If they felt lethal force was their only choice, why aren't they saying so rocktivity Feb 2013 #134
Because that is obvious to just about everybody. Obviously lethal force was necessary BlueStreak Feb 2013 #180
If the reports of the single shot and no further activity are true rocktivity Feb 2013 #189
???????????? heaven05 Feb 2013 #192
yep heaven05 Feb 2013 #191
I doubt what the scanners picked up represents 100% of the conversation davidpdx Feb 2013 #210
?????? heaven05 Feb 2013 #190
There was no gun fight with the cops who insinerated him. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #20
Yes, because they wouldn't let him have a clear shot. There is no obligation geek tragedy Feb 2013 #21
I don't know enough to judge whether the cops did the right thing - that's not my point. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #28
what makes you think he could have been taken alive? BainsBane Feb 2013 #76
Because he was obviously there and the LAPD has filled him in on the case completely davidpdx Feb 2013 #91
Actually I think it's a shame he wasn't captured alive. We need to learn how folks such as snappyturtle Feb 2013 #83
while i often agree with you, i have a question for you(and others) Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2013 #103
He was no better than a hunter, oldbanjo Feb 2013 #106
It's pretty much expected, if you kill a cop caseymoz Feb 2013 #30
In a word.... defacto7 Feb 2013 #63
'Burners' is a term for 'incendiary teargas canisters'. randome Feb 2013 #105
I got that. caseymoz Feb 2013 #228
The cops put 30 bullet holes in that newspaper truck tinrobot Feb 2013 #55
That doesn't mean you need to cheer vigilantism Scootaloo Feb 2013 #78
He killed one that day, and wounded another, and was firing at the police right up until the end. MADem Feb 2013 #79
Who are the "you people" that you accuse of starting twisted threads. pennylane100 Feb 2013 #82
Bull! A Simple Game Feb 2013 #101
Yes. mn9driver Feb 2013 #151
+1 treestar Feb 2013 #196
I've participated on DU for many years. I'm sorry to say that it appears to me that the posts on ladjf Feb 2013 #13
that's what happens when you have a big tent.. frylock Feb 2013 #42
Agree ann--- Feb 2013 #178
This is real life, not Dirty Harry, vigilantism by cops is criminal and a cancer to the rule of law. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #14
hear, hear! defacto7 Feb 2013 #64
Stop it, Manny jsr Feb 2013 #15
Amazing that people think that Dorner had a due process right to kill cops geek tragedy Feb 2013 #17
Gee I Have Read This Entire Thread HangOnKids Feb 2013 #43
"How does the constitution figure in this?" geek tragedy Feb 2013 #48
Well, well, well! "due process right to kill cops" huh? sibelian Feb 2013 #71
Well, he shot at them who they tried to arrest him, and when they used similar levels geek tragedy Feb 2013 #74
So you make shit up, then bellow about a constitution you know nothing about DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #136
Where did you take Constitutional law? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #137
Straw man much? Hugabear Feb 2013 #181
Show me one where someone alleges with specificity what due process right geek tragedy Feb 2013 #183
You go first. Hugabear Feb 2013 #184
They're alleging he was deprived of his due process rights. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #186
We are nation of 2 laws: one for the upper class and one for the rest of us. neverforget Feb 2013 #18
"Never, ever, did I think I'd read that kind of thought on DU." R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #19
It's hard to figure us out. LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #22
Good luck indicting a cop in Texas jsr Feb 2013 #25
He had it coming, fuck due process!!! Jury of peers is so vastly overated!!! Who needs "ejudication" marble falls Feb 2013 #23
One more time: Timothy Dale Johnson onenote Feb 2013 #24
That's quite a view of the law you have. Union Scribe Feb 2013 #38
in this case bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #46
The law doesn't prevent the police from using lethal force. onenote Feb 2013 #150
It isn't the same as saying, 'whenever however you feel like it - kill someone." Argue 2nd Amendment marble falls Feb 2013 #166
I'll call it an execution. defacto7 Feb 2013 #65
The hypocrisy on this web site runs deep. RC Feb 2013 #142
I certainly agree with you Manny. juajen Feb 2013 #26
War Droney Octafish Feb 2013 #27
Too many people think "Justice" = "Revenge". Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #29
The cops, by definition, could not perform "vigilante justice." Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #31
And did they..."effect an arrest"? Union Scribe Feb 2013 #34
"Pretty please, Mr. Victim of Society, will you please let me cuff you?" Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #37
Are COPS citizens? defacto7 Feb 2013 #66
um bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #47
They weren't allowed to use lethal force against a gunman who geek tragedy Feb 2013 #59
I think you know better than that. Bucky Feb 2013 #50
+1 dionysus Feb 2013 #185
Repace "Dorner" with "Dykes," and you'd get run off DU. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #32
K&R! Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #33
what law did the cops break? n/t bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #36
Quite a few, judging by the manifesto. Bucky Feb 2013 #40
Quite a few without any manifesto... defacto7 Feb 2013 #68
I'm going to surround your horse with pillows Bucky Feb 2013 #39
That's a big "if" - and one that doesn't apply in this case - lynne Feb 2013 #44
It's called "due process" W T F Feb 2013 #49
DURec leftstreet Feb 2013 #51
Well said Manny. I think the DEmocratic Party has been tainted by all the Republicans rhett o rick Feb 2013 #52
And the Democratic Party keeps up a steady march to the Conservative Right... bvar22 Feb 2013 #195
I agree with Mr. ODonnell that it was a brilliant strategy by the Pres to win in 2012. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #200
RedStaters and Freepers post here. Might help explain some of it. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #53
No, but we do have Dorner supporters. I can name at least two active ones. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #60
Name those "Supporters" geek HangOnKids Feb 2013 #67
Heaven05 for one: geek tragedy Feb 2013 #69
Thanks I'm Saving This Information HangOnKids Feb 2013 #77
Last night you had 6 on your LIST RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #87
RedStaters and Freepers post here. stonecutter357 Feb 2013 #115
You can't get him in a court of law if he will die before being captured. dkf Feb 2013 #54
And if he had been theKed Feb 2013 #112
They had him cornered... they were not about to wait for nightfall, and him to escape. that was secondwind Feb 2013 #56
I've been thinking about this quite a bit... MustBeTheBooz Feb 2013 #57
Well said Manny. beevul Feb 2013 #58
Nauseating, isn't it? I'm going back and forth with one claiming "burners" is slang for teargas. DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #61
Lots of unanswered questions here. How LibDemAlways Feb 2013 #62
Curious isn't it? defacto7 Feb 2013 #70
Manny, thank you very much magellan Feb 2013 #72
True, but it would have been so much better if they had tortured him mercilessly Zorra Feb 2013 #73
Do any of you people understand the definition of murder? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #75
the Vigilante was Dorner, who killed in cold blood, just like Zimmerman killed in cold blood graham4anything Feb 2013 #80
yeah, he does kind of remind me of Zimmerman JI7 Feb 2013 #81
This thread is such a depressing representation of what went wrong. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #84
you heaven05 Feb 2013 #197
Good luck to you. The attackers here will not prevail. ancianita Feb 2013 #223
If you square up with law enforcement officers using a lethal weapon quaker bill Feb 2013 #85
"We will have turned into a third-world hellhole, a Mad Maxian dystopia" michigandem58 Feb 2013 #86
Yes. randome Feb 2013 #96
Is anybody going to investigate if Dorner's beef with the cops had any merit? tclambert Feb 2013 #88
You mean the allegations he waited 2 weeks to make? randome Feb 2013 #99
maybe he spent two weeks talking with his superior (not partner) about what happened and why. robinlynne Feb 2013 #165
Abolutely right. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #224
They wanted to take him out. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #89
I feel your disgust.... Locrian Feb 2013 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author davidpdx Feb 2013 #94
'There, but for the grace of God....' Ian Iam Feb 2013 #95
It really didn't seem to me that he gave them a lot of choice in the matter. Ganja Ninja Feb 2013 #97
You do know how many agencies were involved in this, right? randome Feb 2013 #98
I agree alarimer Feb 2013 #100
How very disappointing Manny! hootinholler Feb 2013 #104
the blood-lust is disgusting, but not surprising. KG Feb 2013 #108
I wonder too about the people under our tent Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #110
It's amazing to watch... 99Forever Feb 2013 #111
pls bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #118
Ya mean other than ... 99Forever Feb 2013 #119
um... bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #122
Both. 99Forever Feb 2013 #131
Obviously he has no idea. cartach Feb 2013 #218
What if meanit Feb 2013 #113
Our President does this maryland native Feb 2013 #114
Do you really think that there was some utopian period onenote Feb 2013 #117
Utopian Period maryland native Feb 2013 #125
I'm happy when police "violence" is used against a violent killer onenote Feb 2013 #127
Plea accepted!! maryland native Feb 2013 #129
Thanks. And I do apologize for my snark as well. It was unnecessary onenote Feb 2013 #139
There hasn't even been a utopian period when the police didn't kill *unarmed and non dangerous folks Fumesucker Feb 2013 #126
No disagreement there. onenote Feb 2013 #128
It's all part and parcel of the same mindset Fumesucker Feb 2013 #132
Suicide by cop maryland native Feb 2013 #135
You're right that it was predictable. onenote Feb 2013 #138
K & R AzDar Feb 2013 #116
First they came for the communists ..... Coyotl Feb 2013 #124
I'm pretty sure bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #133
Manny wasn't talking about this case specifically, he was talking about the sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #146
The demand for revenge is replacing the call for justice. hay rick Feb 2013 #172
I am disgusted at the lack of concern for the 3 innocent people shot with hails of cop gunfire Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #130
I don't think I've seen anyone condoning those shootings onenote Feb 2013 #140
That bothers me, too susanr516 Feb 2013 #194
How do I love thee? tblue Feb 2013 #141
Agreed. Vigilante justice is not OK. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #144
Due process is soooo last century. n/t L0oniX Feb 2013 #149
Like the Bible sez.... Fuddnik Feb 2013 #152
Some DUers would even call you an Al Qaeda sympathizer a2liberal Feb 2013 #153
Ideally you are right. iandhr Feb 2013 #154
The problem is with the police burning him in a trap "er, like we talked about" jsr Feb 2013 #157
Maybe Dorner new thats what would happen. iandhr Feb 2013 #160
Agree 100% Taverner Feb 2013 #155
I guess DU is a big old net. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #156
We should trust the judgment of the law enforcement commanders. The Link Feb 2013 #158
This is a very complicated situation, in my opinion, ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #159
So The Ends Justify The Means? Just Wondering n/t DallasNE Feb 2013 #171
No. I don't think that. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #174
Just Like The Jews Had It Coming 80 Years Ago DallasNE Feb 2013 #170
We Have Become A Caeser67 Feb 2013 #173
Thank you. n/t mlevans Feb 2013 #175
America is a violent nation ann--- Feb 2013 #177
Good for you, Manny . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #179
Are You The Same "Another_Liberal" DallasNE Feb 2013 #202
Just the same . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #211
Bush Truly Was The Worst President Ever DallasNE Feb 2013 #225
I hope we never . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #232
Rule of Law is the RW line, we're a union perfecting justice. Festivito Feb 2013 #182
at heaven05 Feb 2013 #188
It was your conversation on another thread that prompted my post MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #199
Rec'd just1voice Feb 2013 #193
I applaud these remarks. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #198
I'm not going to cry about Dorner being killed krispos42 Feb 2013 #201
Well said, Manny SemperEadem Feb 2013 #203
Thank you, Manny! struggle4progress Feb 2013 #204
The question is whether it constituted vigalante justice. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #205
"Hard cases make bad law" ColesCountyDem Feb 2013 #206
We all reminisce about how cops "used to be" but we're stuck in that tv sitcom world. mountain grammy Feb 2013 #207
K&R countryjake Feb 2013 #208
Vigilante Justice = Shoot First, ask Questions Later AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #209
And there we have it nineteen50 Feb 2013 #212
justice comes in all shades of grey pasto76 Feb 2013 #215
AMEN! MissMarple Feb 2013 #216
We Live in Vigilante Times triplepoint Feb 2013 #217
A thought that's been congealing over time in my brain. DaveJ Feb 2013 #219
The authoritarian contingent always responds this way. Marr Feb 2013 #220
Wasn't that his manifesto........ Historic NY Feb 2013 #221
Laws and courts are for normal people, not animals like Dorner. hay rick Feb 2013 #222
We know how MannyGoldstein feels, but the real questions how does 3rd way Manny feel? white_wolf Feb 2013 #229
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