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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
25. They were not
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:07 PM
Feb 2013

"It should chill every Liberal to see that two of the lawyers defending the Obama administration in court are the criminals John McCain and Lindsey Graham. "

...arguing the Obama administration's case. In fact, the administration objected to their appearance.


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The three amici filed their motion December 26, requesting for 10 minutes of argument time. They argue that their participation is warranted for two reasons: because they have a “unique understanding of the meaning and purpose of” the indefinite detention section of the NDAA and will be able to “address the broader policy dispute that led to the provision” and because they have “a direct and distinct interest in preserving Congress’s power to authorize exercise of the President’s war powers in such detail and in such ways as Congress sees fit” – as opposed to the executive branch’s interest, which “is preservation of the President’s flexibility in the interpretation and execution of war powers authorizations, a quite different matter and one that is in some conflict with Congress’s institutional interests.”

The administration’s attorneys filed a brief opposing the inclusion of the Senate amici in the oral argument hearing on January 3. They argue that the senators have no standing as individual members of the Senate to intervene and argue orally in the case and that they aren’t authorized to speak for the legislative body, which has shown itself to be sharply divided on several issues. The administration also argues that the three amici are offering policy views “that should properly be aired in the political branches, not the judiciary,” and that their brief reiterates the administrations. But the administration’s most cogent argument against allowing the senators to intervene is that their comments on the Senate floor actually substantiate Hedges’ claims and undermine the administration’s position. “Senator Graham acknowledged on the floor of the Senate that under the text of the NDAA a citizen may well fear ‘being picked up by a rogue executive branch’ – not just by a rouge ‘official’ but by a ‘rogue executive branch’ – for protected political activities, under Section 1021,” the administration’s attorneys write in a huff. “In this regard, Senator Grahams’ remarks actually endorse the points raised by the plaintiffs and recognized by the district court.”

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http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/01/12/sens-mccain-graham-ayotte-seek-oral-argument-time-ndaa-lawsuit-146927


huge k/r green for victory Feb 2013 #1
The time is major. MAJOR! Catherina Feb 2013 #6
+100 nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #48
not a single sensible woodchuck amongst them... KG Feb 2013 #2
Not one! ReRe Feb 2013 #24
K&R forestpath Feb 2013 #3
K&R libtodeath Feb 2013 #4
Can't say I'm surprised by the low recs this is receiving Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #5
It should chill every Liberal that the 2 Senators desperate to argue in the hearing = McCain, Graham Catherina Feb 2013 #7
They were not ProSense Feb 2013 #25
McCain & Graham are lawyers? Myrina Feb 2013 #30
No. I was being facetious Catherina Feb 2013 #35
its changed..never to return..what remains the same is the format and ability to discuss and share xiamiam Feb 2013 #10
Let me see... ReRe Feb 2013 #29
It was a passioned response I admit. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #31
;-) ReRe Feb 2013 #34
A huge thank you to the Plaintiffs - Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2013 #8
there is also a panel discussion on the same day..i googled and found it on you tube xiamiam Feb 2013 #9
Please link it anyway. Maybe we can find a better copy Catherina Feb 2013 #12
ok..here ya go xiamiam Feb 2013 #20
Thank you xiamiam. I have to run an errand and will listen to it as soon as I get home Catherina Feb 2013 #37
The only thing more craven then Obama signing the NDAA into law is the total lack of media coverage Catherina Feb 2013 #11
Actually, the only thing more craven is that it passed the Senate with 83 votes ProSense Feb 2013 #14
Upfist! DeSwiss Feb 2013 #22
K & R, your "anemic democracy" is at stake! arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #13
Bah. Whiners that just want their pony. progressoid Feb 2013 #15
Anonymous found that one senator who voted for NDAA had received a quarter-million dollar donation Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #16
Which one was that? Who? n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #18
Anonymous: Night Raid Equipment-Maker Lobbied for NDAA, Singles Out Sen. Rob Portman. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #21
The corruption isn't even surprising anymore Catherina Feb 2013 #38
Government Contractors ReRe Feb 2013 #43
Excellent and informative post. DU at its best. cali Feb 2013 #17
Thanks very much Cali Catherina Feb 2013 #36
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #19
Thanks for the excellent post. JEB Feb 2013 #23
kick docgee Feb 2013 #26
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #27
Good to see some recs here, kickin it! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #28
KnR nt Zorra Feb 2013 #32
another MSM fail. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #33
Contrary to public opinion... ReRe Feb 2013 #39
all voted for him in 2008..and at least one, Michael Moore, in 2012..but not the majority xiamiam Feb 2013 #42
Well, I heard Ellsberg say it... ReRe Feb 2013 #44
Well, "Land of the free.." is soooo 19th century and the new Bogeyman is soooo scary. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #40
Unrelated but many thanks for all the hearts. It's a surprise and I'm humbled Catherina Feb 2013 #41
^ for must see videos green for victory Feb 2013 #45
Heroes, all of them! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #46
Obama knew it was unconstitutional and would be thrown out. donheld Feb 2013 #47
HUGE K & R Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #49
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